Is Hil toast?

[trof]

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NOT PRIMARY!
"Top Secret" info found on her private email server as per FBI.
Just on CBS news.

[riversedge]

1. ha ha. Every month she is accused of that and every month it is proved false

[randys1]

2. Wasnt top secret when she received it though. Does that matter to folks who

desperately want to destroy Hillary?

[Logical]

4. I disagree with most you say and think Hillary is a terrible Dem, but agree this is not a story. nt

[randys1]

5. What part of my liberal positions and statements do you disagree with?

You dont support Bernie?

[Logical]

9. Think most of what you post is wrong. But no need to discuss. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. The problem with this statement is that some information is born classified

regardless of how you receive it.

This is a truism in intelligence. I have read a lot of these emails, and 4 were classified after I read them. One I turned to my husband and said, "I should not be reading this now, but maybe in 25 years."

[Separation]

11. Just curious

Where these emails part of the public information, or do you have privy to emails before they have been released?

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Part of the public release

First one. This led to the Reuters story on this

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. And here is the reuters story

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN0QQ0BW20150821

[SickOfTheOnePct]

24. Exactly

The markings don't make the documents classified, the content does. A document that contains classified information that isn't marked classified is still classified.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. One to me was screaming

It reminded me of some of the material I read during my masters, since it identified things like the British Prime Minister, since some of the message was from him.

Suffice it to say, that is material that should be unclassed 25 years from now.

Here is the Reuters story on this by the way

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN0QQ0BW20150821

And I have no dog in this fight, I could not give a fuck who the democrats nominate, but this story has always struck me as a damn technical one that most people do not understand.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

31. Yep n/t

[malaise]

3. ReTHUG insider in State

Should be fun to watch

[karynnj]

7. i doubt it -- I don't even know if it will have any impact at all

One interesting possibility is that if there are Clinton supporters who are troubled by this, they might shift to O'Malley bringing him up above the 15% threshold in some districts.

However, my guess is that this is too new and not sufficiently definitive as to what it means - meaning that most Clinton people won't desert Clinton based on that.

(Are there people who can point to having been for Clinton, who now aren't -- I haven't seen that here.)

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. "NOT PRIMARY!"

[RobertEarl]

10. It would solve our problems

I would not be unhappy to see her retire,

Frankly the H supporters are making me sick of her campaign and if it dissolved,,,,,,

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. "Is Hil toast?"

No -- but she's seen butter days.

See what I did there?

I kill me.

[Paper Roses]

15. I'm not kidding, I thought the same thing! n/t

[trof]

17. Clevah.

[elias49]

25. Seems to be in a bit of a jam.

[JTFrog]

13. Only in the delusional dreams of her haters. n/t

[NV Whino]

14. Naw, she'll just buy the toaster and continue on.

[kentuck]

18. Answer me this, grasshopper...

Why are these emails not classified when Hillary receives them but are later classified? Who is doing all this "classifying"??

[SickOfTheOnePct]

23. Saying that they weren't classified when she received them

isn't really accurate - they weren't marked classified, which is far different from them actually being classified.

When someone has access to the different networks, i.e., Secret, Top Secret and Unclassified, he or she can take something that is marked as classified, type it into an unclassified email on the unclassified network and send it without markings. It doesn't mean the information isn't still classified, it just means that it isn't marked as such.

It's known as a data spill, i.e., introducing classified information into an unclassified system.

[LittleBlue]

19. She has a huge lead in many states and Bernie has failed to capitalize

She's far from toast. Of course if she is indicted, she is toast and our party might be toast.

[trof]

20. OK, hold it. I do not hate Hillary. Did not, do not, will not.

I WILL vote and I WILL vote for whoever has the Big D (not Dallas) after their name on the ballot.

Yes, I like the 'impossible dreams' of Bernie.
Call him Don Quixote.
Whatever.

This is not a hit piece and doesn't have anything to do with the primaries.
Just something that came up on a national news broadcast 10 minutes ago.
Take it for whatever you may think it's worth.

Peace.

[ScreamingMeemie]

22. The fact that the "squeaky wheels" in this joint don't realize that many of us don't play their game

is insane.

Most of us only participate in GD: Primaries as jury members.

(although I posted there today--jury duty made a post catch my eye )

[hifiguy]

21. Well, there ARE a regiment or two's worth of skeletons

in the Clintons' collective closet. Though I find the nice, fat donations to the Clinton Foundation from countries whom HRH allowed to purchase vast quantities of arms while SoS to be a smellier pile of crap.

[trof]

26. Any way to back this up? Links?

I confess to being ignorant about the Clinton Foundation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Go to the state department and well, read the emails.

https://foia.state.gov/search/results.aspx

Brew some coffee though and some of this shit... would not have become an anything 25 years ago.. really the social secretary notes on the concert with Pelosi and dinner after the fact had me laughing out loud and pretty much feeling sorry for that hapless history graduate student 30 years from now.

[B Calm]

27. Just more BS!

[SickOfTheOnePct]

28. I don't get this attitude

If she had classified information on her server, I see no reason why that fact shouldn't be made public.

What's telling to me is that she repeatedly says that she didn't receive any information that was "marked classified". Why not just say that she didn't receive classified information?

[B Calm]

34. The facts still remain the same, none of the emails were classified top secret when she received

them. This is just throwing mud and hoping something sticks.

[NanceGreggs]

33. Well, yes, of course.

Hillary is toast - again.

Hillary has been declared "toast" so many times on this site, surely she's just a pile of cinder dust at this point.

Along with being "toast" on a regular basis, her campaign has fallen apart at least once a week, her numbers have been "tanking" daily, and her credibility has been ruined to the point where no one anywhere is supporting her.

And yet - she's still the front-runner, her poll numbers are higher than Bernie's or O'Malley's, and despite decades of RW attacks on every single aspect of her political and personal life, she's still standing.

The whole thing is starting to sound like Fred Sanford - the "big one" is always imminent, but never actually amounts to anything more than chest-clutching in a bid for attention over what inevitably amounts to self-induced agita.

[petronius]

35. Locking. Sorry, but Host consensus is that this topic is in fact a 'Primary' topic,

and should be (re)posted in GDP. Thank you!