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http://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/e-cigarette-explosion-alberta#.rq3va1VJqA 16-year-old from Lethbridge, Alberta, suffered horrific burns and lost some teeth after an e-cigarette exploded in his face.
Ty Greer was vaping in the car when the device exploded, according to the Lethbridge Herald.
He had first- and-second degree burns to his face, as well as injuries to his lips, tongue and throat. The force of the explosion also shattered two of his teeth.
There was a two-foot by two-foot of flame, Greers father Perry told the newspaper.
Part of his tooth went into his tongue when it broke off, he said.
Greer was using a Wotofo Phantom, which sells for about $55 in Canada. Selling e-cigarettes to minors is banned in much of Canada, but not in Saskatchewan, Newfoundland and Labrador, and Alberta, The Canadian Press reports.
Mechanical mod e-cigarettes, like the Phantom, are sometimes advertised as being for advanced users only and carry a warning that improper use can result in serious damage to the products and potential injuries to the user.
E-cigarette explosions are rare but can cause tremendous damage.
Last year, a 29-year-old man in Florida was hospitalized after his e-cigarette exploded in his mouth, shattering his teeth and breaking his neck as a result. Another man in California suffered burns to his mouth and had part of his index finger amputated after an explosion.
meow2u3
(24,761 posts)or he didn't check his batteries for a ripped wrapper. Either way, it's user error--if this is all true.
There is a lot of propaganda floating about regarding exploding e-cigs. It make me wonder if this is true or bullshit coming from Big Pharma press releases. At any rate, take these sensationalistic hit pieces about exploding e-cigs with a grain of salt.
Logical
(22,457 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)If this happened in the US he'd have a huge liability case against the manufacturer.
beevul
(12,194 posts)What stops you from veering into oncoming traffic?
What stops you from putting the wrong battery in it?
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)It isn't "normal use" to swerve your car into oncoming traffic.
And if my car exploded because my car battery was weak, the auto manufacturer would still be liable.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)..claiming that they came from a special Lot meant for Fidel Castro.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Anyone who really wants to quit smoking should skip right past those.
A proper vape setup has short circuit protection built in and doesn't look anything like a cigarette.
meow2u3
(24,761 posts)unless you buy a device called a "fuse" separately. That's what the kid was using: a mechanical mod (mech mod) with no built-in protection.
Plus, mech mods are best when used with high amperage batteries. Too low an amp rating and the battery is more likely to vent.
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beevul
(12,194 posts)Some batteries come with internal protection, AKA on-battery fuse.
That's true though.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I have not touched a cigarette in over a year. I enjoy it immensely.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)hunter
(38,310 posts)Anyone who is not at least a little afraid of lithium batteries doesn't know what they are doing. These batteries contain a lot of energy and their self destruct modes are often spectacular.
For example:
The FAA Is Freaked Out About Lithium-Ion Batteries on Planes
http://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a17824/faa-lithium-ion-batteries
Discharging these batteries too deeply and then recharging them increases the chances they will catch fire or explode.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)This is what happens when people don't know the details and therefore don't know the safety factors, of a device. I also think it very possible that this mech mod wasn't vented near good enough.
Generally, those of us who quit using ecigs don't consider sub ohm setups to be e-cigs, we consider them cloudchaser rigs. They don't actually fit the criteria for a 'quit smoking' device very well at all, though to some folks they're all the same, combustion or explosion, or not.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)and allow them to be sold online to kids.
beevul
(12,194 posts)We don't know if the device itself was even the problem. I grant that it is possible that it may not have been vented right.
It could very well have been the battery itself that was the problem. Being a person who has been using this exact format of battery (18650) daily for over 2 years, same as the device in the OP uses, I feel I might have some useful insight which others who have no experience buying/using them can not have.
First, we don't know if he was using a decent brand battery, like a Panasonic, or a cheap off brand. We also don't know whether it was a counterfeit brand name - counterfeiting in 18650 batteries is common, and dangerous.
Second, and equally important, we don't know what he was using for a charger. Was he using a decent quality charger? It actually does matter.
Third, we don't know if he was using the correct battery type within the format. Was it a completely unprotected battery? We don't know.
All those things matter greatly where the 18650 battery format is concerned.
Furthermore, this happened in Canada, so it applies to the US not at all, as far as "selling to kids". Theres a metric shit-ton of unknowns here, and you're jumping to conclusions. The moral panicing is trying very hard to get out, I see. Here, let me help you keep it contained:
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)Young people aren't able to weigh the risks of using these things. And they encourage nicotine addiction among some kids who wouldn't smoke regular cigarettes.
beevul
(12,194 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)And they are especially worried about its use in teens.
They know more about it than you clearly do.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dont-let-big-tobacco-hook-a-new-generation-on-nicotine-with-alluring-ads-for-e-cigarettes/2014/04/16/1acd08b2-c5a3-11e3-bf7a-be01a9b69cf1_story.html
Public health authorities are especially worried about such ads effect on teens. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that from 2011 to 2012, the percentage of high school students who had tried e-cigarettes more than doubled to 10 percent.
"It is frankly appalling, said CDC Director Tom Frieden. Nicotine is highly addictive. If kids have more access to nicotine, they are quite likely to have a lifetime addiction to tobacco products, including cigarettes.
Of course they do...
Yeah, I only live it. Clearly I know less about it than people whos information is purely second hand and subject to politics.
Rabbit hole.
This is complete nonsense.
Theres a huge difference between nicotine addiction via cigarette, and nicotine addiction from vape. Huge difference. By his own words, mister director makes clear that its a difference he knows nothing about, just like you.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)who study it.
beevul
(12,194 posts)A former smoker whos personally experienced nicotine addiction of both types, knows better the difference between the two, than someone who hasn't.
Kinda like how doctors can tell someone everything they need to know about childbirth, but nobody other than a woman who has actually given birth really 'knows' what the experience is like.
Its not even arguable.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)to get off cigarettes. Great for you. But some teens who were not addicted before have become addicted by using vape pens. And this has been shown in research.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Provide it.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)It is not my job to support your arguments.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)You said this:
Now kindly provide a cite and an excerpt from the material you claim contains it. One which is based on a peer reviewed study, since that's the standard you seem inclined to apply to me.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Theres (sic) a huge difference between nicotine addiction via cigarette, and nicotine addiction from vape..."
What then is the precise and relevant difference? And on what peer-reviewed objective is that based on?
beevul
(12,194 posts)The precise relevant difference, is that with cigs, if I didn't get my fix, I might be inclined to kick your ass if you look at me sideways.
With the vape, I might get a mild headache if I lay off for a few hours, like with caffeine.
The differences are extremes. Vape addiction, is what could be accurately characterized as "barely an addiction" Just enough that the word can be applied. Barely. Cig addiction on the other hand, as we all know, is full blown, and every bit as strong as heroine addiction. That's not just my personal experience. That is the personal experience of every former smoker that has moved to vaping.
Do you need a peer reviewed study to know that the harder you smash your thumb with a hammer, the more it will hurt? Or is your experience sufficient?
Do you need a peer reviewed study to know that there will be less damage to your hand and less pain if you use a rubber hammer? Or is your experience sufficient?
And besides, the poster whom I first addressed is an anti-vape extremist. That posters antics are well known on this topic.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)ADULTS who, like you, want to gradually get off their nicotine addiction. And it's a better choice than cigarettes for ADULTS who don't.
But I don't want to have to breathe YOUR vape vapors in enclosed spaces and I don't think they should be selling online, or anywhere else, to kids. This doesn't make me an extremist.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Did someone say that's what made you an extremist? Maybe you should take it up with them then.
On the other hand, on the topic of you being an extremist, how many posts of yours being against flavors would you like me to dredge up?
Yes, Virginia, that makes you an extremist.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)So your facts are merely anecdotal evidence resulting in an allegation. Everything else being passion and bias. A fine and worthy passion of course, with a wonderfully self-validating bias, but mere passion nonetheless.
I say this as a guy who's been smoking a pack a day since the summer of 1984, and has been experimenting with the vaping craze over the past 12 months. I simply asked out of curiosity... but as to your response, well-- go have a smoke, little fella-- you seem to need one desperately.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Go smash your hand with a hammer, and I'll say the same thing about your painful hand, then we can ALL have a good laugh after I ask which peer reviewed study that studies deliberate hammer blows to the hand you're basing your allegation of pain on.
If one makes up their mind, as you have, that that's all there is there, I guess.
Yes. Nevermind that it isn't just me I'm talking about. Never mind that this is pretty much universally agreed upon by folks who have successfully made the change.
It didn't happen unless there is someone in a position of authority that says so.
Nope, I'm fine. I just have little tolerance for extremists that claim they aren't (not referring to you), and people that need some authority to tell them whether they're less or more addicted, and suppose everyone else does too.
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)is what got e-cigs banned from my local casino's poker room.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)could be used to help persuade other teens not to start smoking in any form.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Inhaling vapors from mystery oils ordered online from China, what could possibly be dangerous about that?
My idiot neighbor who just about killed herself with sepsis after refusing antibiotics and put permanent scars all over her body trying to leach toxins out of her skin is really into "vaping", that is all I need to know.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I have a bunch of local stores here in Rhode Island and they all sell high quality made in America juices, usually made by small companies. You can even make your own easily. Just because your neighbor who obviously has mental health issues vapes doesn't make it bad.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Ps...Quit smoking altogether.
beevul
(12,194 posts)People who vape have, by definition.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Lithium battery failures are not unique to e-cigarettes.
Electric razors do that too, when the battery fails.