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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhich of the Top 3 Republican Candidates worries you the most?
Trump, Cruz, or Rubio. I am not sure myself. Trump is so extreme that while he's kind of crazy, I don't know if he will be able to govern the way he wants to. I also doubt his genuine commitment to the "social" issues.
Cruz is almost as extreme, but given slightly better self control than Trump, he may emerge as the "reasonable" alternative to Trump, being able to Govern. That's counterbalanced by his performance in Congress which has been to demand everything and refuse to take anything less.
Rubio might be the most dangerous - he probably actually is more reasonable than Trump and Cruz, and he may be able to actually work with Congress to get more bad things done than either of them could.
So I'm torn.
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ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)I just spent my morning with a buncha right wingers and not one of them would vote for any of them in the General election. Cruz, too religious, Trump, a racist,And Rubio well they just do not like him.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Republican, with fresh new policies.
That he is a standard, supply side GOP clown, wholly owned by one billionaire is never discussed by the media because it is all about the image.
dubyadiprecession
(6,356 posts)gasoline.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)He's got evangelicals behind him, but that isn't enough. And to know Cruz is to hate him.
Trump is a sideshow.
Rubio is W. An empty suit being propped up by the establishment. And since we were alive in 2000, we know how dangerous that is.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)But as to your last point - isn't that a bit concerning? A lot of people voted for Bush in 2000 and again in 2004.
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jeff47
(26,549 posts)doc03
(36,761 posts)media into giving him free coverage 24/7. I think Trump has the best chance of winning but I would rather see him in the WH
than Cruz. There is something just creepy about Cruz his daughter wouldn't even let him hug her the other day. I could picture
him being arrested for child porn like the Subway guy.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Trump's a big blowhard and his ego would lead him to try to accomplish something for good or ill. Cruz just wants to see the world burn so jeebus will return.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,560 posts)While he's a complete empty suit who will do whatever his masters tell him, he's got that young, energetic vibe that I could see attracting a lot of non-ideological independents, more so that any other Republican candidate.
Donald Trump's creepy protofascism and narcissism scares the ever living hell of out me, but hopefully he's ebbing in terms of popular support.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)We should all be scared.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Hillary Clinton, although she's not my candidate, has some real strengths. In particular I think she might show Trump and Cruz as the ungovernable jerks they are, and frankly, I think she'd wipe the floor with Rubio in a debate.
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Dawgs
(14,755 posts)But, I'm not. Her negatives are too high, and half of the party is not excited about her. And, she will need all Democrats if she can't get the youth vote or Indys. Rubio/Trump/Cruz will have no problem getting the Republican vote (and probably many Indys).
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)And while I do think she has a bit of an excitement issue; I think that you can count on the Republicanoid candidates to give us plenty of reasons to vote for HRC. I also think they, with the exception of Rubio, will drive away the indys.
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Dawgs
(14,755 posts)She will need the help of a lot of groups that just don't like her. And her negatives are way too high to prove to me that she can make up the difference.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)1. She's a complete turnoff to the left/liberal base, and "No We Can't" is going to do nothing to stem the tide running against her with us. And there's the general Clinton baggage on top of that including a well-earned reputation for opportunism and overall untrustworthiness. She has minimal appeal to the disaffected and independents with her stand-pat status-quoism, support of War Forever Everwhere and being welded at the hip to Wall Street.
2. No one will more greatly motivate the Repigs' cave-orc base to come out just to vote against her. I'd be her being at the top of the ticket would be a guarantee of an additional 1-2 million Repig votes nationwide.
TBF
(34,408 posts)but make no mistake he is not moderate. He just cleans up better than the other 2. He's an establishment candidate and he's staunchly pro-life. He's the scariest because he can win.
shanti
(21,718 posts)the repukes will have a man waiting to rule behind the curtain (like cheney) for anyone that wins. someone who could NEVER win the presidency. that especially goes for trump.
katsy
(4,246 posts)Rubio is idk what yet. A nobody to me.
But cruz scares the crap outta me. He's a religious zealot. I'd rather 10 tRumps or rubios than this creature.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)but Cruz is absolutely batshit, bull-goose-loony, barking at the moon insane, so he scares me the most.
He's the kind of guy who would unleash thermonuclear hell to bring back baby jebus. Mad as a hatter.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)would be the one to watch -- and I still think that. He is crazy-ass "christian" enough, belligerent enough, and establishment enough to make a whole swath of GOPer people feel comfortable -- much more than Cruz or Trump do.
Cruz is going nowhere outside of Iowa.
Trump may have (finally) worn out his welcome a bit.
That leaves Rubio to swoop in an take the nomination.
In that case, I don't know how Clinton does against him. His intense focus on her being not qualified to be CIC could play well against her in a general. I don't know how she fights that, to be honest.
Against Bernie he could play the Commie card backed up by his Cuban background. Bernie could also make him look very, very young/green.
pampango
(24,692 posts)the GOP establishment more.
The tea party is much more of a 'burn the government down and start over' (in a bad direction) kind of force. The GOP establishment is more of a "capture the government and milk if for the benefit of the 1%" kind of a force. One day one scares me more; the next day it is the other. Neither is good.
The FDR concept of 'capturing government for the benefit of the 99%' does not seem to occur to either GOP faction.
flamingdem
(39,936 posts)He's a nasty piece of work, cut out for Republican politics but not quite the brand... people will not like his hispanic-ness in rural America. Wonder if we'll see him speak Espanol... ever!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Different things scare me about all three: Cruz's Dominionist leanings, Rubio making inroads with megabuck$$$ donors, and pretty much everything about tRump.
haele
(13,555 posts)pay off political debts. I get the feeling he's looking for a cushy think tank job to line his pockets with in the future, because he's been jumping to the next electable level every time he gets a position. He doesn't seem to be re-electable once he gets an office, because he doesn't really want to govern, he just wants to glad-hand.
Trump...well, you never know from one day to the next who you're going to get because it's all a game to him. He's actually probably the least damaging of the bunch, because even though he's loud, pig-headed and obnoxious he's not going to do anything that's going to interfere with his hedonistic tendencies, which means he'll be relatively liberal in most social matters, and he does have some understanding that as resources are finite, if there's going to be a future, there has to be some management of them.
He's all hot air, playing a part like Reagan did. All his talk of war is really bully diplomacy; he's always backed down when the stakes could get too high. He gives lip service to the Talibornagain to get votes, but chances are we'll get another more "business friendly" administration. Reagan's third term, with a little more dementia, as it were. If he gets the nomination, I'll bet he will run with whomever the GOP establishment tells him will make a great "second in command" as V.P. (ala Calvin Coolidge or Richard Nixon - you just know the industrialist/financial power brokers held Nixon over Ike's head to keep him in line...), so when he gets bored and quits, they'll take over and it will be business as usual.
Cruz is straight-up batshit; petty, vindictive and overbearing. He is the most dangerous. He honestly thinks he's king of the world, and the Texas Republicans I know always wonder why their pet "Jesus is coming" evangelical vote puppets are more willing to vote for him than for the "reasonable businessman" GOP establishment favorite when given the choice.
No one with half a brain likes or trusts him, and he takes that as proof of his Dominionist daddy's prophecy and thinks it's perfectly virtuous to lie to anyone who doesn't live under the umbrella theology of his sect and their fellow-travelers.
The danger with Cruz coming anywhere near the presidency is that if there is any situation that could affect voter turn-out against him, he will win. Not that more people will vote for him, but that his people can be depended on to come out and vote, even under a massive disaster situation or if it causes significant damage to their own family resources or their health. They will sacrifice put his "Godly" election above their and their families well-being, just for a promise of Heaven.
Of the three, I deem Trump the least damaging, despite his bluster. Rubio will be ineffectual, but with the current congressional make up, he could cause a lot of damage and tip us into a permanent corporate-fascism or into anarchy that will effect the splintering of the United States as we know it. Cruz - well, he'll just wants Jesus to come back in his lifetime to let him know how great he is, and will do his best to ensure it.
Haele