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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHey I have to say this.
I honestly believe we as a country have to come to the fact, What FOX News/ Extreme right wing is doing is a form of Mind-control. They are using FEAR a very powerful primitive emotion, for desired results. It's propaganda at it's worst.
America we have to call it out. We have to expose it for what it is...It is not free speech. It's a crime. It is the theft of our country disguised as an election.
The 1% are blatantly purchasing our politicians with hundreds of millions of dollars...you know they are investing, it's just business. You don't drop that kind of dough, without expecting some payoff for it. HOW FUCKING BLATANT DOES IT HAVE TO BE?
IT'S A CRIME, the THEFT OF OUR COUNTRY!
ManyShadesOf
(639 posts)how about boycotting all their advertisers?
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)A CRIME!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)There was little to no pushback from those who knew what it was. Anyone who had read 1984 or heard any of the rallies where Goebbels and Hitler whipped up the masses, could see it was the same thing. Particularly from O'Reilly and Hannity. When Beck got on there, it was just further down the road. They've been caught repeatedly lying but their real power are their use of these methods, which I can only describe in a quotes for now. They use all these techniques, keep their viewers in a constant state of anxiety for effect. They know exactly what they are doing:
A vast sector of modern advertising
does not appeal to reason but to emotion; like any other kind of hypnoid suggestion, it tries to impress its objects emotionally and then make them submit intellectually. ERIC FROMM (1900-1980), To Have Or To Be?, 1976.
Anxiety leads to a narrowing of the field of attention, the so-called tunnel vision, and when people are anxious, they are unable to attend to the total situation as is necessary to enable them to act rationally, but impulsively do the first thing that comes into their heads, which is usually determined by what others are doing at the same time. J. A. C. Brown, 'Techniques of Persuasion'
chervilant
(8,267 posts)propaganda with a thick layer of Bernays sauce. (I wonder if it was even a coincidence that Bernays was Freud's nephew...)
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)ManyShadesOf
(639 posts)how will you achieve this? let's go!
They are wrong and we need to speak out against them. It is free speech and it is not a crime. If we try to criminalize people for saying things we disagree with, we become the evil we are trying to fight.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)This is a calculated means to an end, which is a CRIME. This is a theft disguised as an election. This isn't capitalism, its some mutated form of it. They have set themselves and spared no expense.
They are so confident of our reaction, they have us fighting over BIG GULPS while they systematically take over our country, and we foot the bill.
They stacked the court, they stacked the government, now they are mocking us.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)We already have seen what happens when "the other side" (whichever side you are on) decides that what you are saying is a crime. We now have restricted protests, as well as the labelling of environmentalist and other activists as terrorists.
As much as I would like these people to shut the fuck up and stop with all the lies, I don't want to consider it a crime. What our responsibility should be is to get the truth out and debunk all the propaganda.
ManyShadesOf
(639 posts)the poster is calling for criminalizing propaganda, not "disagreements"
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)coercion.
The right-wing uses their money to blare their propaganda across America.
We should be just as proactive in talking to people about the facts and debunking their lies.
Without money, we have to rely on people power. DU is part of the people power.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)If it wasn't for the oh-so-inconvenient Constitution, we could just shut down any political speech we didn't like!
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Would you really like the current Supreme Court to make the decision as to which Left leaning speech is "propaganda", and thus not deserving of protection?
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)It is there already, Johnny. The crime is complete, ending phase...a in your face, mock Election...er...Auction.
This was a crime. Propaganda.
ManyShadesOf
(639 posts)the lifeblood of the nation. you like being lied to? where is the "Left leaning" FAUX news, pray tell. Our Limbaugh and hatemongers?
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)than to control information? It has been done all throughout history.
Read about how the catholic church controlled the message/information for a thousand years. We call them the DARK AGES. They sure as hell didn't want to give up that power, they burned people at the stake for printing a bible in common language. They went to some serious lengths to keep that information within the Hierarchy.
Television is a very powerful medium. Edward R Murrow's speech about the medium was very insightful.
Complete Murrow Speech From Good Night, and Good Luck:
ManyShadesOf
(639 posts)how to fight back?
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)Fox has been made credible by those outside it. It can only come within the medium itself. We need a courageous people to state this and hammer it home, then we need to be there to cover their backside.
As it was then, it will be now. They won't give that power up easily.
ManyShadesOf
(639 posts)revisiting what passes for journalism education these days. professional standards?
AND the good news. YOU can do this! with the internets! your blog and presence here and other stuff that gets that energy out there.
RZM
(8,556 posts)Sorry, but what you're saying here amounts to little more than a justification for using authoritarian measures to crack down on free speech. Fox and whatever other conservative outlet have every right to get their views out there. I'd much rather live in a country where they can do that than one where they can't.
This argument always ends at the same place. Today you would empower people to go after Fox. Tomorrow others would use that same power to go after you. That's how these types of things work.
lib2DaBone
(8,124 posts)They know EXACTLY what they are doing.
They know the power of Television.. it goes all the way back to 1958 and Vance Packard.. "The Hidden Persuaders"
Check out this video. Look at the base of the flowers in the first 60 seconds.. the white area says "SEX".
How many movie theaters ADMIT flashing a picture of a dry desert for one nanno-second...before the Refreshing soft-drink snack bar commercial?
Now that the Communist Chinese (oops.. sorry.. I mean Job Creators) have purchased the AMC Movie Theaters here in the USA.... what subliminal messages can we expect when we go to the movies?
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,145 posts)"....That year, the headline of an article in the October 26 issue of The New York Times blared, "Sixty-five Percent in Test Blindly Obey Order to Inflict Pain." " Fortunately, further study shows a more humane reaction.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200203/the-man-who-shocked-the-world
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)You can be sure they have too. They know us inside and out, spared no expense. They are moving in on the last jewel.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)on this. This horrible crime. It is treason. To actively sabotage your own country, to endanger her for Party Power, is treason.
spanone
(135,885 posts)DearAbby
(12,461 posts)It's just we as a Nation are afraid to actually apply the law. It seems when you get above a certain income level, a certain social standing, you are above the law.
Edit to add: You can now purchase the politician of your choice. OH wait, you can't play with the big boys...this game is closed to "COMMONERS"
You have just been rendered irrelevant. How is that "free speech" now?
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)This should be good.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Invest in the stock market. They love using your money to make it all happen.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)Any corporation claiming such a classification should be heavily regulated to ensure the integrity of what is being broadcast.
Blatantly lying to millions of people, without being able to accurately corroborate your information should be illegal.