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Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:43 AM Feb 2016

Why are Americans so angry?

From the BBC website. It's too long an article to print in its entirety but it breaks down into five separate headings, Economy, Immigration, Washington, America's Place In The World, and Divided Nation. If DU is anything to go by, the article is bang on.

Americans are generally known for having a positive outlook on life, but with the countdown for November's presidential election now well under way, polls show voters are angry. This may explain the success of non-mainstream candidates such as Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders. But what is fuelling the frustration?

A CNN/ORC poll carried out in December 2015 suggests 69% of Americans are either "very angry" or "somewhat angry" about "the way things are going" in the US.

And the same proportion - 69% - are angry because the political system "seems to only be working for the insiders with money and power, like those on Wall Street or in Washington," according to a NBC/Wall Street Journal poll from November.

Many people are not only angry, they are angrier than they were a year ago, according to an NBC/Esquire survey last month - particularly Republicans (61%) and white people (54%) but also 42% of Democrats, 43% of Latinos and 33% of African Americans.

Candidates have sensed the mood and are adopting the rhetoric. Donald Trump, who has arguably tapped into voters' frustration better than any other candidate, says he is "very, very angry" and will "gladly accept the mantle of anger" while rival Republican Ben Carson says he has encountered "many Americans who are discouraged and angry as they watch the American dream slipping away".


Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders says: "I am angry and millions of Americans are angry," while Hillary Clinton says she "understands why people get angry".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35406324
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Why are Americans so angry? (Original Post) Bad Dog Feb 2016 OP
Add me to the list of angry ones. Put all my friends there too. Paper Roses Feb 2016 #1
Republicans are angry Turbineguy Feb 2016 #2
Yeah, funny how the Republicans in government hate the government. tecelote Feb 2016 #3
Most hold a special vitriol when disappointed by politicians in their own party. pampango Feb 2016 #4
Because they are gradually realizing that they are not "exceptional" Human101948 Feb 2016 #5
Someone pointed out earlier . . . HughBeaumont Feb 2016 #16
We figured out that we are screwed and our children are getting it worse. AngryAmish Feb 2016 #6
countless years of no wage growth and dwindling disposable income Amishman Feb 2016 #7
"Understands why people get angry" = "Feels our pain" 2.0 LiberalElite Feb 2016 #8
They are scared. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2016 #9
"They have been told that somebody elses gain will be their loss." The zero-sum, "us vs them" pampango Feb 2016 #13
Lots of people believe that. Igel Feb 2016 #14
There is a brilliant documentary series. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #15
Because the poll asked about anger. Brickbat Feb 2016 #10
Like Dr Hunter S Thompson said, it's Fear and Loathing NightWatcher Feb 2016 #11
after 2008 edhopper Feb 2016 #12
I am because I feel like no one is helping me bigwillq Feb 2016 #17
Because we've worked hard and have nothing to show for it Tsiyu Feb 2016 #18
Yes I suppose it does. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #22
We've run out of people to blame. Octafish Feb 2016 #19
It's O.K. To Be Angry..... Laxman Feb 2016 #20
Because their leaders are not listening to them or doing the will of the people. Rex Feb 2016 #21

Paper Roses

(7,469 posts)
1. Add me to the list of angry ones. Put all my friends there too.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 06:04 AM
Feb 2016

We all all fed up with the government and with the havoc caused by the do-nothing congress. If Uncle Sam can't address the current ills of this country, how can we do it alone? Fight and grouse as we do, nothing can be done without the action of congress.

We have let things go too long and allowed these critters to get away with doing much of nothing, we feel left out and left on our own to cope with these egomaniacs.

I have friends in all income brackets, it is not just the poor and disadvantages that are upset, it is the bulk of the populace.

Some action in Washington to face our current problems is long overdue.

To the few who seem to be accomplishing something, I thank you, to the rest, --words fail me.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
3. Yeah, funny how the Republicans in government hate the government.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 06:46 AM
Feb 2016

Maybe voting against your own self interest has negative results? Go figure.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
4. Most hold a special vitriol when disappointed by politicians in their own party.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:31 AM
Feb 2016

Most are angry at the 'other' party and its politicians and expect little from them. (And are rarely disappointed.) We assuredly blame them for many of the country's problems.

But we reserve a special anger for the RINO's (from their party) and the DINO's (in ours) that seem to either join the 'other' side or are ineffective at doing anything about them.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
5. Because they are gradually realizing that they are not "exceptional"
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:33 AM
Feb 2016

We have been avidly listening to politicians tell us that we are exceptional, number one in the world. If you're not aq millionaire in this country, it's only because you haven't worked hard enough, or maybe you need an advanced degree or another programming language. It's slowly dawning on the populace that they've been sold a bill of goods. They work longer hours, skip vacations, settle for fewer benefits and meager raises, get degrees and certificates, and they are standing still, or worse, going backwards.

They are slowly coming to the realization that they've been lied to.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
16. Someone pointed out earlier . . .
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:19 AM
Feb 2016

. . . that this could also be the cause of an increase in suicides among 40-50 year old men. These are people that did everything they were told, worked really hard and find that they're nowhere near a comfortable retirement, have lost ground financially and culturally and are extremely angry they're not on top of the hill anymore.

It's like I asked - If the wealthy really wanted all of us to be successful, then how would that make them exceptional? Doesn't this contradict one of their famous sayings - "All men are not created equal, but all opportunity is equal."?

Amishman

(5,551 posts)
7. countless years of no wage growth and dwindling disposable income
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:00 AM
Feb 2016

we are feeling the pinch and know that the system is not working. The only difference is what is believed to be the cause and the proposed solution.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
9. They are scared.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:49 AM
Feb 2016

Fear can easily translate to anger.
The GOP has scared many of them to death of ISIS, minorities, gays, etc. They have been told that somebody elses gain will be their loss.
Others are angry about everything from shootings by the police, wealth inequality, etc.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
13. "They have been told that somebody elses gain will be their loss." The zero-sum, "us vs them"
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:11 AM
Feb 2016

republican fear campaign.

Gains by minorities, gays, the poor anywhere will come out of your your piece of the pie so you whites need to fight progress by these 'others'. And don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain.

Igel

(35,268 posts)
14. Lots of people believe that.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:32 AM
Feb 2016

And they believe that those gaining from them are those gaining in general.

My mother believed this. Her house value went from $160k to $260k to $130k.

She believed that someone "stole" $130k from her when her house depreciated, and that somehow a lot of rich bankers made money off her house. She didn't sell her house at $130k. It finally sold years later for much more than $160k.

Of course, she took no money from anybody when her house appreciated by $120k to begin with, and she cheated nobody out of money when she finally sold her house. She couldn't explain where the paper asset came from; she couldn't explain where the paper asset went to. But it has to be a zero-sum game.

(She also believed that the non-raising of her social security benefits helped the 1% gain money they'd otherwise not have had.)

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
15. There is a brilliant documentary series.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:02 AM
Feb 2016

Called The Power Of Nightmares, about how Radical Islam and Neoconservatism have fed off each other.


The message is that when people are scared they're much easier to control. The Patriot Act relied on fear to get passed.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
10. Because the poll asked about anger.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:54 AM
Feb 2016

I suspect if it gave a list of adjective and asked people to identify how they felt, it would look different.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
11. Like Dr Hunter S Thompson said, it's Fear and Loathing
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:59 AM
Feb 2016

The two easiest ways to motivate the big dumb masses (republicans) is to make them scared or and angry. Fox News does this daily and has done so effectively for a long time now. Having a black guy also focuses this hate and fear like a laser beam.

Don't show people how things are actually going pretty well (unemployment, standard of living...) but make them mad and scared, and the dumb will run for fascists.

edhopper

(33,444 posts)
12. after 2008
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:00 AM
Feb 2016

there was genuine anger at Wall Street. One of Obam's big mistakes was not addressing and using that anger for real reform, as FDR did.
Instead he allowed people like the Kochs to cynically use it, and instead we get the Tea Party.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
17. I am because I feel like no one is helping me
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:33 AM
Feb 2016

And my family and friends. The government is not, big business is not, Wall Street is not. The government is broken--it serves mainly corporations and the special interests. And there's very few Democrats who are working for me and my kind. Unless you're very rich or very poor, you're SOL. This country is a mess, and I am not sure it will get better anytime soon. Government is so mismanaged.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
18. Because we've worked hard and have nothing to show for it
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:43 AM
Feb 2016

because of motherfuckers like Dr. Raymond Schinazi, who get rich off of our resources and then cause great harm with their greed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/congress-outraged-over-hepatitis-c-treatment-va-cant-afford/

Because the Working american bailed out the banks, the auto industry and Wall Street but those goddamned greedy pieces of shit won't do a motherfucking thing to help any of those working americans.

Because of a profane War on Drugs that has done nothing but make a few people rich and a lot of people dead or incarcerated. When we'll kidnap the children of a war veteran because he uses cannabis to ease his PTSD, we are a fucking SHIT country wit absolutely no morals or mercy.

Because I have a dumbfuck governor worth 3 billion dollars who runs a state with some of the worst health outcomes in the country, but he's too busy fondling the Koch Brothers' balls to give a flying fuck.

Because of guys like the Koch Brothers, who would rather spend $400 million protecting all the dough they can never possibly spend in 17 lifetimes than use a cent of it to help lift the working class out of poverty.

Because Congress and Corporations have basically said obscene corporate profits and bonuses are awesome and orgasm-worthy, but a living wage for the workers of America is evidence of greed (because slavery never died, did it?)

And because we are the "greatest country on earth" but we have the worst standard of living of any Western Nation.

Because hoarding money is seen as akin to being divine.

I'd love to see these fat cats hoard water or food, and see the riots that would ensue. But most Americans said "meh" to the Occupy movement that addressed these issues, because most Americans are cowards who also love fondling the balls of the rich, even if it kills them.


Does that answer the question?

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
22. Yes I suppose it does.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:22 AM
Feb 2016

But I wasn't really asking the question. I just cut and pasted the headline from the BBC article which then went on to try to answer the question, covering a lot of the points you've made.

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
20. It's O.K. To Be Angry.....
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:25 PM
Feb 2016

there's a lot to legitimately be angry about. It is the act of directing of this anger towards groups of people (and so often towards people with the least amount of power and influence) as a political tool that is highly objectionable and highly destructive to our society. Plus, why concentrate on the nine things we have in common when we can obsess about the one difference?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
21. Because their leaders are not listening to them or doing the will of the people.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:28 PM
Feb 2016

Congress is a dysfunctional joke at best and the SCOTUS sold out to Wal Mart years ago. We only have the POTUS and he cannot do everything.

Plus there is this HUUUGGGEE racism problem in this country.

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