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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 05:00 PM Jun 2012

A View Of The Wisconsin Recall, From The Other Side Of The Pond...

There's class war in Wisconsin, yet the Democrats sing Kumbaya
A vote to recall the state's Republican governor has huge implications for US politics, but the liberals have missed their cue

Gary Younge - guardian.co.uk
Sunday 3 June 2012

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There is a degree of hyperbole one comes to expect from American activists around election time. Given the level of polarisation, this is hardly surprising. Every vote, you're told, is about liberty, justice, the American dream, the constitution or the world one wants to leave your children or grandchildren. Then, often, half the eligible voters stay at home and, regardless of who wins, not an awful lot changes.

So when activists on both sides of the effort to recall Wisconsin's governor insist "everything" is at stake, they should not be taken too literally. Nonetheless, this time they have a point.

The recall campaign was sparked last year when Republican governor Scott Walker pledged to remove collective bargaining rights from public sector unions and cut local government workers' health benefits and pension entitlements, claiming this was necessary to balance the state's budget. Walker, a Tea Party supporter, was elected in 2010 against Democrat Tom Barrett, with 52% of the vote. By February 2011, tens of thousands of protesters descended on the state capitol in Madison. In all 50 states, rallies were held to support Wisconsin unions. Before tents ever went up on Wall Street, this midwestern state was occupied. Unable to prevent passage of his anti-union bill and other measures, labour activists and progressives collected more than 900,000 signatures to recall him.

That makes Tuesday's vote a rare chance for a clear referendum on who should pay for this economic crisis – those who created it or those who have suffered most because of it. So in a state with a larger population than Ireland's and a GDP greater than Portugal's, people here will vote on the causes and consequences of austerity.

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More: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/03/class-war-wisconsin-democrats-kumbaya



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HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
1. Typical recreational anti-American angst imo, Voter turnout for Tuesday will far exceed 50%
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 05:15 PM
Jun 2012

I've heard credible academics who study Wisconsin politics say there could be a 75% turnout.

That's unAmerican! It's actually damned near British, who have voter turnout in the 75% range from the 1950's to through 1990 until it fell to more American levels.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
2. Official guesses are 65%; mine is 70%.
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 05:26 PM
Jun 2012

75% would be wonderful.

We lost in 2010 because too many Dems stayed home. If we can roll out anything like the 2008 Obama vote, we will prevail.

Warpy

(114,523 posts)
5. Sadly, they seem to be ignoring the effect money has
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 05:43 PM
Jun 2012

and that the Walker forces are spending the opposition 25:1, effectively drowning out much of the message.

That's why I'm making no cash bets on how this one will go, however I really do wish for a resounding defeat of Koch funded fascism and the Koch brothers, themselves.

pearlrainbow

(1 post)
11. walker worry
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 06:18 PM
Jun 2012

Many are suspicious that the Voting are Rigged, to keep walker in office.

I hope these suspicions are unjustified.

L. Coyote

(51,134 posts)
19. Actually, the place to watch is Milwaukee City, where the election was lost
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:05 PM
Jun 2012

while Waukesha County and Kathy Nickolaus played the perfect DISTRACTION role better than Hollywood could have produced it!

Hopefully, the Wisconsin Dems learned their lesson from the Supreme Court special election.
That, of course, is one of two possible lessons:

1.) Don't let them cheat and steal votes, or
2.) Get out the vote in the City of Milwaukee.

Some will remember the Milwaukee Anomaly, a huge red shift in the very bluest part of the state while the rest of WI shifted blue.
Did the blue voters stay home only in Milwaukee, or did someone rig the election in Democrat-rich Milwaukee?
Meanwhile, in Waukesha County, the vote results were normal with nothing anomalous except the screw-ups in reporting the fully-expected results.




http://jqjacobs.net/politics/spreadsheets.html#wisconsin

If they want to win this one, Milwaukee is where they have to focus either a powerful get-out-the-vote effort or a high level of scrutiny. I recommend BOTH!

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
6. With "a GDP greater than Portugal's." At this time. All bets are off if Walker is not defeated.
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 05:47 PM
Jun 2012
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
10. He May Be Referring To This Sort Of Difference Between The Two Parties...
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 06:17 PM
Jun 2012

Hell... even Ed Rendell called the Recall a mistake.

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002730794


CTyankee

(67,956 posts)
15. He did? Then he is a total sellout! I have been doubting Ed's credibility for a while now...
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 06:30 PM
Jun 2012
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