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Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:58 PM

Are we humans an evolutionary mistake?

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We humans, as far as we know, are the most advanced species on this planet. Over many millennia, a few members of our species have figured out that we are one small planet orbiting a star, in a universe of countless stars, galaxies, etc. Einstein figured out the speed limit of the universe, and that time and space are a single entity.

Others have discovered cures to diseases, and countless ways in which to heal humans and other living creatures. And still others have figured out so much more about how, and why things work.

Human scientists have discovered and interpreted so much more than most us can even begin to grasp. It really boggles the mind how far human knowledge has advanced with such infinitesimal clues.

Yet, when we look at the behavioral/belief aspects of human beings, we seem to be incredibly childlike, superstitious, and determined to destroy ourselves well before we can reach maturity.

The history of human behavior has demonstrated the genius with which we humans use scientific advancements to destroy other human beings. The most important thing we seem to have learned from the scientific revelations of the past is how to more efficiently kill each other.

And beyond that, we have divided ourselves by geography, color, language, tribes, dogma, and every other imaginable human characteristic.

But this is DU, so let me get to the point. The current primary campaign of the Republican Party is beyond an embarrassment to the human species. Trump? Cruz? The rest? The phrase “clown car” is totally insufficient, but it was the best we could do. In reality, the term “Knuckle Draggers” has become an almost meaningless cliché, but more closely describes the GOP lineup of both those who have dropped out and those still running.

Their expressed “values,” “world views,” and “solutions,” are a mountain of bullshit so immense as to require the largest herd of cattle that ever existed to produce it. And, of course, these candidates and ex-candidates know it. They’re playing to the lowest common denominator of what can charitably be called “human intelligence.” They’ll say or do anything, anything, necessary to get the nomination.

So let me say this. Given the state of today’s Republican Party, I really believe that those with all the traits of Caligula, Mussolini, or worse could be considered “viable” candidates by the poor ignorant fools who are casting votes or backing them in caucuses. For some insane reason, Fox “News” has more influence on “human thought” than the concepts of Galileo, or Stephan Hawking.

It really makes one wonder if the human species is an evolutionary mistake that will go the way of the dinosaurs.

And of course, there’s the Dem primary. But this is not the forum to discuss our differences. I’ll just say we hold differing versions of a future that is far Superior than anything that can ever be offered to us by a Republican Party that has gone off the deep end.

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Cyrano Feb 2016 OP
TreasonousBastard Feb 2016 #1
ladjf Feb 2016 #35
RKP5637 Feb 2016 #54
ladjf Feb 2016 #55
RKP5637 Feb 2016 #60
ladjf Feb 2016 #62
RKP5637 Feb 2016 #65
Rex Feb 2016 #2
exboyfil Feb 2016 #12
Rex Feb 2016 #33
ladjf Feb 2016 #36
Rex Feb 2016 #39
ladjf Feb 2016 #40
Rex Feb 2016 #42
ladjf Feb 2016 #57
Rex Feb 2016 #64
Cyrano Feb 2016 #66
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #3
exboyfil Feb 2016 #4
pscot Feb 2016 #10
exboyfil Feb 2016 #13
hifiguy Feb 2016 #20
DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2016 #18
exboyfil Feb 2016 #21
DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2016 #30
Crunchy Frog Feb 2016 #51
randome Feb 2016 #5
exboyfil Feb 2016 #16
Vincardog Feb 2016 #6
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longship Feb 2016 #17
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longship Feb 2016 #24
Cyrano Feb 2016 #32
ladjf Feb 2016 #37
NobodyHere Feb 2016 #29
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0rganism Feb 2016 #19
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gcomeau Feb 2016 #26
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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:08 PM

1. Evolution can never be a "mistake"...

it takes whatever turns it takes. But, note that the modern homo sapiens has not been around for a relatively long time in the billions of years of Earth history.

Since it's impossible for science to see where we are headed, science fiction has explored the possibilities, and, if we don't destroy ourselves in the meantime, we could be headed for a magnificent future once we finish evolving and get rid of our old simian and tribal reactions.

Of course, there's always an asteroid, or that humongous blob of magma out West set to go off. Either one could destroy the plan.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:30 PM

35. Life forms evolve in response to the challenges of existence during their

lifetime. Whales nostrils moved to the top of their head, their legs changed dramatically as they transitioned from terrestrial to
aquatic.

Humans changed from quadrupedal to bipedal for better survival. Their early arboreal existence led to need stereoscopic vision for climbing and jumping in trees.

As long as the changes enhance existence the species continues to live. But, Earth changes will often doom species that were unable to evolve fast enough to combat the rigors of the new conditions.

I wouldn't say that modern human design is a mistake. But, it begins to appear that the challenges of overpopulation and socialization
are begin ing to overwhelm the population. If we don't adapt rather quickly, the Earth's population of humans could go down to near zero if not actually zero.

Our flaws? Greed and arrogance.

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Response to ladjf (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:18 AM

54. My thoughts too! IMO the main destructive aspect of humans is competition rather than cooperation.

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Far too often humans are competitive wherein cooperation would lead to a better future. Far too often, events are win/lose rather than win/win. Often, as you say, fueled by greed and arrogance. If not corrected, I do not see much of a future for the human species which will eventually wipe itself out given the present course. The driving force for a competitive nature, greed and arrogance is likely a result of evolutionary survival of the fittest.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #54)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:00 AM

55. I totally agree with your thinking.

I want to point out that most of our behaviors are based of survival necessities from the past. Our problem stems from the fact that the challenges to survival are changing at an exponential rate making it difficult for us to adapt. Yet, adapt we must if we wish to survive.

"The driving force for a competitive nature, greed and arrogance are likely a result of evolutionary survival of the fittest. "

If greed and arrogance continue to drive our behavior, we weren't the fittest. The "fittest" are those with enough analytic al skill to see that raw physical power is no longer the key. Connections and quality of life issues are part of an individual's personal set of values with regard to what does and doesn't work. There are already millions of humans who have reached this level of enlightenment. But, they are outnumbered by the less enlightened who are, by their lack of comprehension. selecting the wrong leaders.

Interestingly enough, Socrates, in the Dialogues of Plato circa 400 B.C.E discussed this very issue.

This paragraph by Hokusai might be interesting to some people on DU.

"From the age of six I had a mania for drawing the shapes of things. When I was fifty I had published a universe of designs. but all I have done before the the age of seventy is not worth bothering with. At seventy five I'll have learned something of the pattern of nature, of animals, of plants, of trees, birds, fish and insects. When I am eighty you will see real progress. At ninety I shall have cut my way deeply into the mystery of life itself. At a hundred I shall be a marvelous artist. At a hundred and ten everything I create; a dot, a line, will jump to life as never before. To all of you who are going to live as long as I do, I promise to keep my word. I am writing this in my old age. I used to call myself Hokosai, but today I sign my self 'The Old Man Mad About Drawing." -- Hokusai

(Japan's most famous watercolor painter of the 19th Century)

I believe that Bernie had his "Hokusai moment" during the past few years. He realized how somethings about the "patterns of " politics and decided to act upon them for the benefit of his fellow Americans. He might be "The Old Mad Mad about politics."
America is fortunate to have citizens of his stature who are willing to lead us.


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Response to ladjf (Reply #55)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:21 AM

60. "America is fortunate to have citizens of his stature who are willing to lead us." When I

watch/listen to many politicians today their rhetoric is so immature it is infantile. And a sadness comes over me as to the future of the United States if one of these childish juveniles were to become president.

Most have little meaningful substance in what they say and often sound like bullies on a gradeschool playground.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #60)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:27 AM

62. I looked up several of your previous posts and was delighted to

see that DU does have some outstanding thinkers in our midst. Keep on sharing your thoughts with us.



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Response to ladjf (Reply #62)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:49 AM

65. Thanks, that is very nice of you to say that, and I think the same of you! n/t

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:09 PM

2. Evolution is a mistake.

 

Mistakes that somehow end up being advantages. We know the mass of the universe and accept the fact we can only see a fraction of it, pretty smart mistakes if you ask me.

I would say life was a mistake or just random chance. I would say all life anywhere in the universe is a mistake or random chance given enough time. 13 billion years promises mistakes galore.

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Response to Rex (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:21 PM

12. Interesting hypothesis regarding formation of life

based upon thermodynamics considerations.

Here is an abstract.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0895717794901880


The origin of life should not be seen as an isolated event. Rather it represents the emergence of yet another class of processes whose goal is the dissipation of thermodynamic gradients. Life should be viewed as the most sophisticated (until now) end in the continuum of development of natural dissipative structures from physical to chemical to autocatalytic to living systems.

Not random chance.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:01 PM

33. Thanks that is a very interesting read.

 

Worthy of it's own thread!

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Response to Rex (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:32 PM

36. Life is due to random coincidences. Death is due to the organism's inability

to meet the life requirements of that particular individual.

Life and death aren't moral issues. They are physical events.

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Response to ladjf (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:37 PM

39. It was a joke.

 

Still I would say we are a very wondrous mistake or the universe has a hidden sense of irony. What really gets me is how the known universe refuses to allow us to peer at it at a certain level. As if something conscience was going on. Look away and I am a wave, look at me and I am a particle...life and death are a small part of what goes on between trillions of particles at a level we cannot even observe directly. Strange shit.

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Response to Rex (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:42 PM

40. NASA is sending up a new telescope that is 100 times more powerful than Hubble.

There will be some unique discoveries made by this instrument, particularly in regard to the origins of our Universe.

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Response to ladjf (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:51 PM

42. I cannot wait! Hubble brought us groundbreaking imagery of the night sky.

 

This is why I grimace when Congress puts a moron in charge of NASA's purse strings. We always need to be looking up and out at the night sky and asking questions.

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Response to Rex (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:04 AM

57. This is a great OP. It has caused a good number of people

to put some serious thought into the nature of our existence. Thanks.

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Response to ladjf (Reply #57)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:49 AM

64. One of the reasons I still hang out here, DU has great discussions.

 

This is a great thread, I love to read what people think about life and the universe. So many smart people, with ideas I would have never thought of.

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Response to ladjf (Reply #57)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:31 PM

66. There are many profound thoughts in this thread

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I know your post is not in response to my OP, but I love the fact that "a good number of people" here, give so much "serious thought into the nature of our existence."

The fact that many people on DU reflect on concepts that are esoteric and abstract, offers a bit of hope that perhaps we humans can avoid putting an end to ourselves.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:11 PM

3. Ah. Ffs irony is all over this

 

But in the grand scheme of things humans will go extinct like 99 percent of life on earth already has

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:12 PM

4. The amount of time a civilization remains

at a technological state for detection. One of the variables in the Drake Equation.

I personally think technological life is extremely rare. Rare such that one technological civilization in our entire galaxy is not unreasonable. Evolution does not necessarily push towards tool use, and even tool use does not guarantee an advancement towards higher forms of technology.

Mistake is not the right word. We are what we are. Perhaps our machines will give our species a form of immortality (or at least a civilization measured in billions of years). Perhaps not.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:19 PM

10. And it's about to become even rarer

if we don't change our ways in a hurry.

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Response to pscot (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:24 PM

13. Definitely

The most powerful nation on earth have candidates that deny fundamental scientific concepts and believe, without any evidence, that the supernatural regularly intervenes in our affairs.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:45 PM

20. David Byrne nailed it a long time ago.

 

Someday we'll live on Venus
And men will walk on Mars
But we will still be monkeys
Down deep inside


Only because that's what we are - the hairless ape with reflexive consciousness.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:37 PM

18. I think it may be more common.

Animals use tools and wonder.

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Response to DamnYankeeInHouston (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:49 PM

21. Of course you can't draw conclusions form one set of data

but some compelling things make me think that technological life is exceedingly rare.

1. The run of the dinosaurs. None developed even rudimentary tool use over the the span of 160 M years.

2 In most cases the available time window is 8 billion years or so. We used up nearly 2/3rds of our time getting to this point. Now you can argue that red dwarfs extend that window immensely but given that goldilocks planets are going to be tidally locked and subject to significantly more EM radiation - I have to wonder.

3. Our species passed through a series of keyhole events (as well as the planet). Any one could have spelled doom for us reaching a state of technology.

4. The need to be a 2nd or 3rd generation sun so that our solar system would possess higher periodic elements. We may be at the top of a wave of technological civilizations to follow.

One interesting book I read about five years ago is Rare Earth. Before that I was a Star Trek kind of guy seeing the possibility of civilizations every few light years.

Still I think we should continue to look, and I would be exceedingly overjoyed if we detected another technological civilization.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:56 PM

30. We know nothing. Either way would not surprise me.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:55 AM

51. Humans simply can't imagine

that there could be anything in the Universe more sophisticated than themselves.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:12 PM

5. I'd say that nothing evolution is responsible for is a mistake.

 

Because evolution is a random process, not a logical entity. I think the larger landscape of knuckle-dragging Republicans simply reflects the fact that a large power base -Conservative white men- is dying out. Hopefully to be replaced with something more advanced.
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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:33 PM

16. Mutations are random

Evolution is not. It is a cumulative result of descent with modifications. You can see that it is not random when considering convergent evolution. Examples include mammals and Australian marsupials that inhabit the same ecological niches or Ichthyosaurs, sharks, and dolphins.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:14 PM

6. imo human species is an evolutionary mistake that will go the way of all parasites that get out of

control, We will overwhelm our host (the earth) and die choking on our own waste.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:16 PM

7. No, just repukes.

 

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:16 PM

8. That's a meaningless question. Evolution is not a guided process.

It can neither make a mistake or rack up a big win.

It bothers me that you are using a scientific term in a non-scientific sense.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:17 PM

9. There can only be mistakes when there's a purpose

And since evolution is a random process without purpose, there is no such thing as an evolutionary mistake.

Let's keep religion out of evolution.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:19 PM

11. Nah.

 

Mother Nature tried countless- literally countless - variations on life. Some of them turned out successful - one might look at ants in their countless trillions - and others were more of a dead end.

Humans were successful. The problem is that while evolution can generate intelligence in the form of a complex brain that is self aware, it can't confer wisdom, which is a product of experience and deep reflection. And wisdom is what is needed for intelligent creatures to survive over the long - in evolutionary terms - run.

Intellectually we are still adolescents at best, taking the species as a whole. Many precocious ones have contributed profound insights to our understanding of the world in which we live and of which we are a part, but the more immature ones still like to believe in fairytales about omnipotent Invisible Sky Wizards and other such juvenile cant.

The problem is that when the advanced technology dreamed up by the smart ones falls into the hands of those who have the foresight of a six-year old and are focused solely on immediate self-gratification, species-destroying disaster is a distinct possibility

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:37 PM

17. J B S Haldane, when asked about the major characteristic of the creator, said:

He has "an inordinate fondness for beetles."

And of course Stephen J Gould always claimed that the major life form on Earth was bacteria, which is undoubtedly true as well.

But beetles will do. There are an awful lot of them and Haldane's statement certainly puts things in proper perspective.

Link: J. B. S. Haldane, one of the most quotable scientists ever.

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Response to longship (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:53 PM

22. God loves bacteria

Three billion years single cell microbes did not have to share the planet with any other life form.

Of course which is more favored - Archaea or Bacteria? Evidence suggests that God must have favored Bacteria because God relegated Archaea mostly to hot pools (kind of like Hell I guess).

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:59 PM

24. Well played my friend.

But one still has to love Haldane's snarky response. After all, people can actually see that beetles are fucking everywhere. My old house is full of them, especially in my 100+ year old cellar.

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Response to longship (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:59 PM

32. I have tenacious Republicans

living in a home near me. I don't know who will be living there 100+ years from now, but if the modern day GOP keeps ignoring "climate change" there may not be any human beings living there or many of the other regions our species now inhabits.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:34 PM

37. And while they were at it, they created the most important innovation

in history, photosynthesis.

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Response to longship (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:52 PM

29. I think he actually said "an inordinate fondness for The Beatles."

 

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Response to NobodyHere (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:57 PM

31. No! "Send more Chuck Berry!"




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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:30 PM

14. K&R n/t

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:32 PM

15. Yes.

Our success is our greatest failure ... like a weed growing
out of control will eventually strangle itself.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:45 PM

19. "mistake" is not what evolution does

the notion that evolution makes mistakes is imho an inappropriate personification of what is really a continuing process.

as far as our species goes, it will follow the path of every other species over time: evolve into something else or disappear. "going the way of the dinosaurs" is not such a scary prospect when viewed that way -- after a highly successful span of millions of years as dominant life forms across the planet, dinosaurs Evolved, which is pretty much the best case scenario for a species in the grand scheme of things. we should hope we can do as well in a few million years.

our species does have some special attributes which might give some a mistaken impression that we are somehow an integral part of some "evolutionary endgame", but i think this belies the nature of what is inherently an ongoing universal biological process.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:56 PM

23. Yes and when you look at birds

they are a true marvel to see what dinosaurs have become. My daughter did a series of dissections for a class project, and one of them was a pigeon. I was just astounded at the evolutionary modifications for flight.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:59 PM

25. More like a case of too much success, a evolutionary breakthrough.

The result of an intra-genus genetic arms race over social intelligence. Such success that we hold great power and lack all self-control or insight.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:01 PM

26. Depending on your definition of mistake...

 

...either everything is an evolutionary "mistake" or nothing is.

There is no in between.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:41 PM

27. No mistakes in evolution.

Life is opportunistic at the moment.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:49 PM

28. Well, you know there is that "great flood" myth....

Maybe earth is due for another......

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:21 PM

34. I suspect that we are actually

some life form who came to this planet in nonphysical form, "borrowed" DNA from species already here for physical building blocks so we could exist within the biosphere... but our purpose is looking like we came here to destroy the biosphere of the planet. Once this one is trashed to the point of uninhabitability, we will figure out how to transport our nonphysical selves to yet another location and proceed to trash that.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:35 PM

38. We are destroying the only known biosphere in the universe

 

If we're not a mistake, we're still a colossal fuck-up.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 08:34 PM

44. got that right.

...Buuuuuutttt-

"It's gawds willlllllll!

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Response to tabasco (Reply #38)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:12 AM

53. +1

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:45 PM

41. Does evolution have a right answer?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:49 AM

49. Evolutionarily speaking...

...are we producing fewer math teachers today compared to years ago?

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #49)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:39 AM

63. Yeah, but math sucks so -- -- WIN!

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 08:31 PM

43. All of the things you listed as positives are only good in our imaginations

As are the things you listed as bad. The words we're using exist nowhere but in our heads. The word evolution only exists in our abstract imagination. We created it, and then defined it. Whatever the process of evolution is, it doesn't care what we think of it, or what we call it. You don't even get any points for being pro-evolution. It just is, happens regardless of whether you believe it or not, has no value, and we can't objectively control it.

Are we an evolutionary mistake? It depends on your particular point of view, which doesn't even matter.

The Republican Party primary is an embarrassment to the human species? In what objective way is that correct? It's as correct as people on the other side saying the Democratic Party primary is an embarrassment to the human species. It's all subjective. Who made humans the most advanced species on the planet? Oh yeah, we did. Oddly enough too, since we're the ones defining it. What are the odds of us thinking we're the best?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:23 PM

45. Not a mistake, just a variation ...

And one that let us survive, in one form or another, for some hundreds of thousands of years.

It's just in combination with technology and the ability to liberate large amounts of carbon that what had been beneficial attributes became problematic.

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Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:30 PM

46. K&R...

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Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:37 PM

47. Lesswrong.com

 

Your basic mistake is believing that evolution is cued to logic. It is not.

Learn about basic cognitive errors, and how human consciousness works.


Then, perhaps, you may be embarrassed enough by this post to delete.

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Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:44 AM

48. No such thing, as evolution is non-teleological.

It's a force of nature, and no more capable of making a "mistake" than an earthquake or a hurricane.

The dinosaurs were incredibly successful BTW.

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Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:53 AM

50. I think it comes down to humans developing imagination

Imagination can lead to both creation and destruction.

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Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:59 AM

52. Big, fat, beer-guzzling manatee with disappearing sponge-like brains...

that are quickly evolving to the point they will not know when to get out of the rain. If ignorance is bliss, then why aren't we more happy?

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Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:04 AM

56. The hip ball does not fit in the socket of the pelvis

It seems to me that humans were not designed to walk upright. When they do, against gravity and without support of the forearms, eventually the hips quit working. The replacements are usually much better anatomy for walking.

explain that!

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Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:10 AM

58. no. actually, from a natural selection pov, we are quite successful

unfortunately, except in rare circumstances (altruism in kinship groups), most behavior that is kindhearted and giving tends to be maladaptive in a "nature red in tooth and claw" world. with primates it is a bit more nuanced because primates have a strong social structure, but greedy, selfish and even malevolent behavior towards others tends to give one advantages in survival and reproduction.

it explains the republican philosophy perfectly.

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Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:16 AM

59. Go the way of the dinosaurs? Of course we will.

 

But remember, the dinosaurs ruled for nearly 200 million years. Hardly a mistake.

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Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:26 AM

61. Our technology has outpaced our biological evolution...

Our legacy to the universe will be the self-aware, self-replicating robots we send out to the stars...

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