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Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:21 PM

Hillary Clinton Emails: Secret Negotiations With New York Times, Trade Bill Lobbying Revealed

Hillary Clinton Emails: Secret Negotiations With New York Times, Trade Bill Lobbying Revealed In Latest State Department Release

The latest batch of emails dating back to Hillary Clinton’s tenure as U.S. secretary of state shows her appearing to lobby members of the Senate on controversial trade bills and her office communicating with the New York Times about holding a sensitive article. The State Department release of documents on her private email server Friday came the day before the Democratic presidential candidate heads into the Nevada caucuses.


Other emails show Clinton seeming to personally lobby her former Democratic colleagues in the Senate to support free trade agreements (FTAs) with Colombia, Panama and South Korea. She had previously told voters she would work to block the Colombian and South Korean pacts.

An email Oct. 8, 2011, to Clinton from her aide Huma Abedin gave notes about the state of play in Congress on the proposed trade pacts. The notes provided Clinton “some background before you make the calls” to legislators.

Two days later in an email titled “FTA calls,” Clinton wrote to aides indicating she had spoken to Sens. Jack Reed of Rhode Island and Jim Webb of Virginia, both Democrats. She told the aides she had talked with “Webb who is strong in favor of all 3” trade agreements, and then asked, “So why did I call him?” — indicating she was otherwise phoning to try to convince wavering lawmakers to support the deals.

Only three years earlier, Clinton wooed organized labor during her presidential campaign with promises to oppose those same deals. She called the South Korea agreement “inherently unfair.” She also said, “I will do everything I can to urge the Congress to reject the Colombia Free Trade Agreement.” Clinton has lately courted organized labor’s support for her current presidential bid by pledging to oppose the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, a deal she repeatedly touted while secretary of state.



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Reply Hillary Clinton Emails: Secret Negotiations With New York Times, Trade Bill Lobbying Revealed (Original post)
TubbersUK Feb 2016 OP
Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #1
PeterGM Feb 2016 #2
awake Feb 2016 #3
noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #4
Schema Thing Feb 2016 #5
CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #12
Schema Thing Feb 2016 #13
nichomachus Feb 2016 #19
tk2kewl Feb 2016 #6
cascadiance Feb 2016 #7
Jackilope Feb 2016 #8
Major Nikon Feb 2016 #9
PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #10
CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #15
ebayfool Feb 2016 #11
840high Feb 2016 #14
TubbersUK Feb 2016 #16
ebayfool Feb 2016 #17
hifiguy Feb 2016 #18
PeterGM Feb 2016 #20

Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:22 PM

1. More confirmation...

 

...she's just another Third Way corporatist.

No. Fucking. Thanks.

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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:26 PM

2. This is very bad news for HRC politically speaking.

"Other emails show Clinton appearing to personally lobby her former Senate Democratic colleagues to support free trade agreements (FTAs) with Panama, South Korea and Colombia. She had previously told voters she would work to block the South Korean and Colombian pacts."
This is going to hurt her badly in blue collar union states... I fear for Clinton that some of her private speeches are going to get "leaked" very soon and that will probably sink her campaign. She has trying to paint herself as Sanders lite, instead of running as a pragmatic centrist and now that these neoliberal centrist positions are catching up to her, she just looks even more untrustworthy, which is her single biggest problem...
I am starting to wonder if she's even a good politician... Don't get me wrong, she's extreme effective, but as far as elections go she's aweful. In 2008 she lost to a complete rooky but seriously charming and fantastic orator. This time she's up against a much more experienced and vetted candidate, but without the charm and oratory skills (which don't really seem to matter much in this election)... So she's done imo.

Tin foil hat time:
I think this part is the reason why they delayed the emails from the release feb 1... If this had come out then she would certainly have lost Nevada, a heavy union state.

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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:28 PM

3. Surprise Surprise Surprise

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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:32 PM

4. Not Surprised

Not surprised at all.

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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:36 PM

5. Garbage! This is impossible. She's been vetted!

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:55 PM

12. I love it when her fans try to make that crazy argument

"She's been vetted!"

Yes, she's been put through the wringer because she's a lying weasel. The problem is...she continues to be a lying weasel. Controversy will always follow her because she doesn't stop being a corrupt liar who finds new ways to get into trouble.

Look at the controversy that is only beginning with the Clinton Foundation. Talk about being unvetted. The little I've read about 2 scandals is outrageous. You just know that foundation is a petri dish for scandals--corporations paying money for access and favors. The Boeing deal should be enough to shut it down.

And her Wall Street speeches and money taken from powerful financial interests, health-insurance companies and the for-profit prison system.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:56 PM

13. It's like they think "having baggage" is the same as "being vetted".



I mean, I guess it is in a way, but a bad way.

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:53 PM

19. My Uncle Herman has been vetted too

I don't know how many times the cops have pulled him in for questioning. He's only been sent up twice, though. Also, I'm not supporting him for president either.

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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:38 PM

6. Well, well...

 

Other emails show Clinton seeming to personally lobby her former Democratic colleagues in the Senate to support free trade agreements (FTAs) with Colombia, Panama and South Korea. She had previously told voters she would work to block the Colombian and South Korean pacts.

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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:38 PM

7. Note the comments here on avoiding discussions on TPP, as well as H-1B ties to lobbyists too...

 

http://freebeacon.com/politics/clinton-was-for-outsourcing-before-she-was-against-it/

One of Hillary Clinton’s biggest supporters attempted to spin the Democratic frontrunner’s long history of supporting outsourcing ahead of the first Democratic primary debate.

Former Michigan Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a top executive at pro-Clinton Super PAC Correct the Record, told MSNBC that Clinton opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), President Obama’s trade deal with a dozen Asian countries, because of her opposition to outsourcing.

“She doesn’t want to be party to the continual offshoring of American jobs,” Granholm said. “She has seen that. That’s what she saw when she was representing New York up in Buffalo when they lost jobs.”

However, as a senator, Clinton played a key role in bringing outsourcing companies to Buffalo. She helped Tata Consulting, an Indian company, set up an office in the struggling upstate New York city.
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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:39 PM

8. She "doesn't believe she has ever lied" .....

.... but she sure can play two sides, can't she?




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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:40 PM

9. Bribes don't work on me!

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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:44 PM

10. Anybody here think she actually is against the TPP? n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:59 PM

15. Anybody here actually think she's for reigning in Wall Street?

Anybody here think she's actually for universal healthcare?

Anybody here think she's actually for peace and stability in the Middle East--and less war?

Anybody actually think she's going to break up the banks?

Anybody actually think she's going to raise the minimum wage?

Anybody actually think she's not going to surround herself with neocon warmongers--knowing that she hand picked Robert Kagan, the founder of the neocon movement to be one of her foreign-policy advisers while she was SOS?

Anybody actually think that she won't start a war with Iran?

Anybody actually think that she isn't going to punish the hell out of Progressives, if she gets any power, knowing what we did to her precious coronation?

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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:53 PM

11. You should post this in GD:P I'm sure people there will be interested in this! n/t

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Response to ebayfool (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:59 PM

14. Definitely.

 

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Response to ebayfool (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:03 PM

16. Done

Wasn't sure if there was an elegant way, so I just copied & pasted to a new thread there.

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Response to TubbersUK (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:20 PM

17. That works just fine & TY! n/t

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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:27 PM

18. The drip, drip, drip is turning into

 

an open fire hydrant.

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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:10 PM

20. What HRC supporters don't understand.

If Hillary ran as a centrist, on the actual issues that she supports and made a case for them (And there are a ton of good arguments for international free trade deals, Campaign Financing, Financial deregulation, harsh sentencing - I chose these because they are the most obvious she has completely flipped on just for this primary), then Bernie Sanders supporters wouldn't be outraged if they lost, because then you lose the war of ideas. However, when you run as Sanders-lite on positions you have NO record of ever supporting and spread misinformation to uninformed voters, that is when people get mad.

Sanders has some questionable things in his record, such as immunity to gun manufacturers and gun shops. But instead of peddling crap, Sanders has owned up to his positions and explained why he supported them.
This is the reason why Clinton's honesty is in the tank, because the internet exists in 2016 (shocker I know) and so does the google. And when you run a 3 second fact check it doesn't look good.
This is why there is the gigantic age gap in supporters: It's people who can Google vs people that can't:
18-45: Sanders, 45-Dead: Clinton.

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