Guns on college campuses makes academics hesitant to discuss issues that may be considered touchy.

[TimeToEvolve]

it is sadly ironic when the pro 2A crowd; constantly concerned about their 'freedoms' wind up defeating the basic rights of others, it becomes hypocritical when they simply dont care.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/24/university-of-houston-faculty-campus-carry-law-texas-guns?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

how come no 'responsible' gun owners speak out against this guns-in-school insanity?

[msongs]

1. the gun crowd calls it mission accomplished nt

[951-Riverside]

2. The good news, everybody graduates with a 5.0 GPA

The bad news, that probably won't be good enough for some of these gun nuts. *pew* *pew* *pew* ...Murica

[TimeToEvolve]

11. as the average IQ of the nation approaches zero; the number of guns floating around

approaches infinity.

[dumbcat]

16. That says something about IQ right there

Yours.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[daleanime]

34. Because we all know....

guns make you smarter, better and prettier.

[dumbcat]

56. Did you have some point?

[struggle4progress]

39. El Camino College professor fears for life after student’s threat

By Larry Altman, Daily Breeze
POSTED: 01/21/16, 5:27 PM PST
UPDATED: ON 01/21/2016

A 28-year-old El Camino College student is under criminal investigation for allegedly threatening to kill an English professor who failed him, demanding she change his grade or “I’m putting a bullet through your (expletive) head,” court records show.

Dash Nicholas Porter spent nearly a year sending 14 vulgar and threatening direct messages on Facebook to professor Cynthia Somin, who didn’t know they existed under she discovered them Dec. 26, court records show.

“Change my grade bitch or I’m gonna kill you!” Porter wrote at 11:59 a.m. Feb. 26 ...

http://www.dailybreeze.com/general-news/20160121/el-camino-college-professor-fears-for-life-after-students-threat-to-kill-her

[beevul]

63. An example from gun control utopia California?

Say it ain't so.

[hifiguy]

3. Part of the plan.

[TimeToEvolve]

7. word

its called "divide and conquer"

[Eleanors38]

4. Why responsible gun owners don't speak out? Post in correct group, not in GD.

...you might actually get a discussion.

[MillennialDem]

21. They just say it doesn't matter, it won't do anything EXCEPT stop bad guys. Ie the professor, the

admins, the fellow students in a class, etc.

[Heeeeers Johnny]

5. How are they "defeating the basic rights of others"?

None of these people (the concealed carriers), are forcing or demanding that professors, faculty, other students
curtail or be mindful of what they have to say.

If they're against firearms on campus fine... I have no problem with that, but at least be honest about it, and not
blame the other side for a position based on poorly argumentative reasons.

If they have genuine safety concerns, then state and explain why.

Going on the record that the gun kids on campus somehow will bring about 1A infringements is just plain bullshit.

[TimeToEvolve]

10. "there are only 3 things that allow you to make 1000mistakes/1minute.-

they are guns, computers and tequila"


the college campus is one of the last bastions of: not only free speech per say; but also free expression your mind in other forms so long as they don't harm others.

not only that, but the college is a community where the student learns vital skills for making things work out in the real world; AKA pro-social behavior. campus carry throws a monkey wrench into all of that. packing heat because of your irrational fear, etc is not pro-social behavior, but rather an anti-social behavior, or to put it better, an expression of physical hatred towards other people and a form of passive aggression/ psychological bullying. simply put, it is an enabler for the aggressive and selfish to dominate the peaceful and innocent.

[aikoaiko]

14. If you're going to use the 'real world' argument then you should support guns on campus

After all TX allows concealed carry in many public places, businesses, and private property.

[marions ghost]

26. +++++++ well said

Concealed carry in general is anti-social bullying behavior, based on irrational fear.

A tragedy that it is now extended to college campuses in Texas.

[TipTok]

33. By definition it's concealed...

How would you know to be intimidated?

[marions ghost]

42. If it's not banned

then I'm intimidated.

Sorry I don't trust most people to handle guns safely. Carrying guns to protect yourself from some imagined threat is a sickness in a sick society.

[TipTok]

54. Sounds like a personal problem to me...

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Should we accommodate folks who have an irrational fear of black people as well?

Of course not.

Your unjustified fear isn't my problem.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

55. That's your choice. It's a silly choice but it is yours to make.

[friendly_iconoclast]

59. It's Robert Bork's theory of "moral harm" in action:

"But, in any event, physical danger does not exhaust the categories of harms that society may seek to prevent by legislation, and no activity that society thinks immoral is
victimless. Knowledge that an activity is taking place is a harm to those who find it profoundly immoral."

Robert Bork, The Tempting of America, p. 123

[sweetapogee]

41. how can it been intimidating

if the person has it concealed?

[marions ghost]

43. Because many people

carrying guns are idiots.

We need to have public places where guns are not allowed. Otherwise you create unsafe situations for innocent people. Duh.

[sweetapogee]

46. oh I see

idiots are only idiots when they carry concealed. Thanks for clearing that up!

[sarisataka]

47. .

[beevul]

64. That may be the most ridiculous post i've ever read...

That may be the most ridiculous post I've ever read, and I've seen some real prize winners...

[linuxman]

6. Wait a second...

So, there are people out there who legally carry guns, but not to class. These people also presumably listen to viewpoints they don't agree with while attending lecture while somehow not physically assaulting the prof. sans guns, knives, etc. Now that they have the ability to carry guns though, they will somehow lose their minds and start shooting? I really doubt that.

[TimeToEvolve]

8. wait a second...

america is already plagued by gun-caused violence; this concealed carry crap-ola only makes it worse.

[ileus]

19. Is it really caused by guns or people?

[MillennialDem]

22. Easy access to guns of course. If you look at other countries, there are similar levels of

battery, but in the US there are more homicides.

Why? Because fists are less likely to kill than guns.

[MH1]

17. Attending lectures is less of an issue; it is meetings with the professor

that are more an issue. As a professor, I would not want to meet with a student who was not performing, if I thought that student might be carrying.

But frankly as a student, I would not be interested in attending a college that promoted campus carry. As a parent, I would try to dissuade my child from attending one.

Really sucks for those who just started attending Texas colleges and for whom it's not easy to transfer to a different school now.

[linuxman]

20. You have no idea if there are ones meeting you now, carrying guns without authorization.

Those are the ones you should be concerned about. Its odd that you've probably been around (illegally) armed students dozens of times and not known it, but now that responsible persons who follow state regulations to carry can do so, you're concerned.

The right to self defense in a country where courts have ruled police have no personal responsibility for your safety is very important. My rights shouldn't stop because I'm enrolled in school.

[MillennialDem]

23. Of course not, but the numbers are going to be lower. It's also harder to carry concealed

than you think, outside of carrying it in a backpack or a purse.

[marions ghost]

28. You have drunk the koolaid

Be afraid. Be very afraid. Be so afraid you have to carry a lethal weapon.

Be blind to the many ways this stupidity can backfire.

It happened on my campus. Innocent student was killed by a gun accidentally firing.

There is no way a kid of mine would go to a university where this was allowed.

[linuxman]

31. Oh no, I got called askeered.

Better renounce my evil was and turn in my guns. Someone slighted my bravery on the internet.

I carry a gun (sometimes two, one of which is a scary assault rifle) 24/7, 10 months out of the year for work. So do 500 of my coworkers. We argue a bit, but nobody ever gets shot. None of us are military or police. Weird. Oh well, I guess I'm too blind to see how my carrying a gun that never leaves my person is going to backfire some day. Yep. Any day now. I hope I don't come unhinged during polisci.

[marions ghost]

40. Shit happens

y'know?

Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take up the sword will perish by the sword."

"By the sword you did your work, and by the sword you die." Agamemnon

[linuxman]

45. That's nice

Go quote the bible at someone who gives a fuck.

[marions ghost]

48. Guess what

other people here are reading this, not just you. I realize that paranoid gun toters don't give a fuck (about anyone but themselves). What else is new?

[linuxman]

49. Yet it was a reply to me, not some stand alone commentary.

You clicked "reply" in the bottom right of my post, then got all jesusy with me. While I'm sure the almighty is thankful for your forum crusade, I could do without it. Don't go acting all obtuse now that you got called on it.

For all the paranoia accusations, the actual paranoia all seems to come from the grabblers. Odd.

FWIW, I don't carry a gun back home.

[marions ghost]

50. It's a public forum

I don't know you, you don't know me.

Nothing is personal. I made a comment on what a "poster" said. I responded to a public comment. Keep it in perspective.

[ileus]

35. That's the good news about today vs the 80/90's.

We don't have to roam around being easy victims.

I knew a kid in high school (1980's) that carried a 1911 in his backpack. I'm pretty sure there were plenty of students in college that also carried illegally.

Good news is thanks to CC that doesn't have to be the case today.

[Jim Beard]

9. Does anyone have the

statistics of the % of non gun owners who murder by gun?

[MillennialDem]

24. Let me check the math on that one. zero.

[beevul]

65. I doubt its zero.

Unless one defines owner and possessor as the same thing.

[oberliner]

12. All of those "warnings" are true irrespective of guns being on campus

The faculty senate at the University of Houston prepared a slideshow for recent faculty forums warning that academics may want to “be careful discussing sensitive topics; drop certain topics from your curriculum; not ‘go there’ if you sense anger; limit student access off hours; go to appointment-only office hours; only meet ‘that student’ in controlled circumstances.”

Are these different from the usual guidelines?

[aikoaiko]

13. I teach and work on campus and I'm not afraid I will incite a shooting

Really, I don't think anything I could say in class would cause a student to shoot me.

I think these faculty are fear mongering.

IIRC correctly, TX has a moderately extensive licensure process.

[Prof4Life]

68. "Fear Mongering"

Hello, aikoaiko. I am the college professor whose life was repeatedly threatened by my former student. Your belittling statement that "these faculty are fear mongering" could be interpreted as showing narrow-mindedness, willingness to generalize, and lack of empathy. What manner of response from faculty who have been targeted by unbalanced students would seem acceptable to you? I welcome your response, as long as you proofread carefully for ignorance before hitting the send button. Thank you.

[bigwillq]

15. A legal product should be legal everywhere

That's what folks need to speak out for.

[MH1]

18. So, if I run a daycare, it's ok for me to have bottles of booze around the kids? nt

[MillennialDem]

25. Or even better, anti freeze

[MH1]

29. Excellent analogy, thanks. nt

[bigwillq]

36. Booze is not legal for everyone, so please use discretion (nt)

[aikoaiko]

38. Is there a law about not having alcohol under the security of an adult in a day care?

[sweetapogee]

44. if you run

a daycare out of your house then you should not be allowed to have any booze or antifreeze for medical MJ in your house.

[MillennialDem]

27. So I should be able to leave bowls of anti freeze on my property (let alone public property) and

if kids or pets drink it, oh well?

It's a legal product.

[bigwillq]

37. Your property? Absolutely.

Public property? Sure, as long as you take responsibilty for your actions.

[valerief]

30. Responsible gun owners? Aren't they like unicorns? nt

[tblue37]

32. Yeah, such controversial subjects as why you can't give someone the "A" he says he

absolutely HAS to have.

[villager]

51. At least this brings the bullying/control-freak aspects of gun fetishism out in the open...

No one who is truly balanced, or at ease with themselves, obsesses over the "need" to have them proliferate...

[TimeToEvolve]

60. that's right!

despite the pro- 2A arguments about bad-guys, freedumb and such; it is still an expression of physical hatred underneath that hero-wannabe-obsession facade.

i wonder what Freud would think of C&C?

[still_one]

52. I think I wouldn't be signing up for debate class if I went to school there

[MariaThinks]

53. or even give a poor grade.

[Initech]

57. This is getting seriously scary.

Fuck the NRA and gun nuts. This is not about 2nd amendment rights any more. Guns have more freedom than people do now, and it's becoming a dangerous threat to public safety.

[friendly_iconoclast]

58. You have fallen victim to, or are promulgating, a moral panic

CCW has been legal at dozens of public colleges elsewhere for decades.

[robertgodardfromnj]

62. Couldn't agree more

Guns on campus make me nervous.

[TipTok]

67. Unfortunately for you...

... there is no right to 'not be nervous' enshrined in American law.

[Matrosov]

66. Huge overreaction

I'm one of the most vocal anti-gunners on here, regularly pointing out that a complete firearm ban would be the best solution, but that's a huge overreaction by the University of Houston.

Campus carry simply makes it legal for students to have a gun with them on campus, it does not mean it was previously physically impossible for them to have a gun on campus.

The people most likely to get violent over a disagreement with faculty are also the ones who couldn't care less whether campus carry (or having a knife on them, or simply assaulting faculty in the first place) was legal or not.