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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFrom 2012-Tulsi Gabbard: The Curiously Conservative and Nepotistic Network of a Democratic Candidate
Tulsi Gabbard is a candidate for the HI-02 House seat vacated by Congresswoman Hirono to run for Senate. She has previously served in the military, in the Honolulu City Council, and in the Hawaii House of Representatives--her campaign materials seem to emphasize her military service. But behind this impressive political C.V.--like so many--is the product of a political dynasty. Tulsi is the daughter of Mike Gabbard, a Hawaii state Senator, former Republican, and anti-gay activist. Certainly, no one should be assumed to share the political views of their parents. But Tulsi Gabbard's political connections to her father go far beyond the family relationship. Despite her recent claims to socially-progressive views, the identities of her staffers and donors make much more sense as the products of a conservative family network than as the products of conventional ideological organizations.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/1/20/1056467/-
guess she's evolved over the past few years
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)She supports the President? Don't think so. She put out statements to be elected. Everyone in HI knows exactly where she stands LGBT issues. It's just not that important to them.
Hillary has not evolved either. She still holds her personal belief that marriage ought to be between a man and a woman and she still believes that LBGT couples ought to receive the same benefits as heterosexual couples. And she also supports the President's actions on LBGT issues including marriage. It is a matter of personal thoughts and feelings and both she and Tulsi will uphold the laws as they are now. It is just amazing to me how many BS supporters can overlook, excuse Tulsi's past history on these issues while they hold such vitriol and unforgiveness against Hillary for her past positions.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)so why are you complaining?
Also from 2012 --
Tulsi Gabbard: Supports Presidents Position on Gay Rights
Tulsi Gabbard today released a statement in response to President Barack Obamas announcement in support of marriage equality for all Americans:
I congratulate the President for taking a strong stand on marriage equality for all Americans, regardless of sexual orientation. I understand his journey, and stand with him on this issue. This is why in Congress I will work for the repeal of DOMA and support and co-sponsor the Respect for Marriage Act.
During my deployment to the Middle East with the Hawaii National Guard in 2004 I realized that I could not, in good conscience, fight for liberty and freedom overseas while advocating something less than that here at home. That was an important decision for me and, in that context, I fully recognize the significance of the presidents announcement today.
Protecting the civil rights of all Americans is an obligation we must strive to fulfill. Its critical that we support President Obama and stand with him now more than ever so our progress on these issues cannot be overturned by extremist Republican presidents and Members of Congress.
My position remains firmly that same-sex couples should be afforded all benefits, privileges, and rights that the government grants to heterosexual couples.
http://mauidemocrats.org/wp/?p=1971
Seems she was ahead of the curve on LGBT marriage rights unlike Clinton who was a still a bigot until 2013.
Our conclusion
Clinton opposed same-sex marriage as a candidate for the Senate, while in office as a senator, and while running for president in 2008. She expressed her support for civil unions starting in 2000 and for the rights of states to set their own laws in favor of same-sex marriage in 2006.
As polls showed that a majority of Americans supported same-sex marriage, Clintons views changed, too. She announced her support for same-sex marriage in March 2013.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:21 AM - Edit history (1)
She couldn't have been both for it in 2000 to 2006 and also have been completely against as she stated in 2004 and again in 2008 as evidenced in both of these videos.
Nice try at the spin.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)bitch at politifact.com not me
TM99
(8,352 posts)And as usual, a Clinton supporter denied them and deflected.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)Big honking difference
TM99
(8,352 posts)Those two YoutTube videos were recordings of her speech form 2004 and her discussion with Chris Matthews during the 2008 campaign.
That they are from YouTube in no way invalidates the facts presented.
Try again and this time, let's see if you can give a more reasoned reply.
Justice
(7,185 posts)the issue. I do understand that as people evolved, so did President Obama and so did Hillary Clinton. I think Michelle Obama was actually there first - as she was the one that started making references in her public comments about "who you love.'
Clinton's views evolving reflect many Americans, many Democrats. I don't don't think she is out of the mainstream on this issue. The important thing is that she is supportive now - when so many Republicans would like to see it undone.
TM99
(8,352 posts)It is the rewriting of her history by her supporters. Claiming she was 'secretly' for it when she was publicly not. Claiming she 'evolved' sooner when publicly she was not.
Couple that with outright lies and attacks on Sanders LGBT civil rights record, and yes, I have some serious issues to contend.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)mike_c
(36,281 posts)eom
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)one party is in open warfare and the other is developing major cracks. Ah base rebellions, gotta love them.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)until it did.
The smear campaign started quickly. It's like they were prepared.