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dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:22 PM Feb 2016

From 2012-Tulsi Gabbard: The Curiously Conservative and Nepotistic Network of a Democratic Candidate

Tulsi Gabbard is a candidate for the HI-02 House seat vacated by Congresswoman Hirono to run for Senate. She has previously served in the military, in the Honolulu City Council, and in the Hawaii House of Representatives--her campaign materials seem to emphasize her military service. But behind this impressive political C.V.--like so many--is the product of a political dynasty. Tulsi is the daughter of Mike Gabbard, a Hawaii state Senator, former Republican, and anti-gay activist. Certainly, no one should be assumed to share the political views of their parents. But Tulsi Gabbard's political connections to her father go far beyond the family relationship. Despite her recent claims to socially-progressive views, the identities of her staffers and donors make much more sense as the products of a conservative family network than as the products of conventional ideological organizations.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/1/20/1056467/-

guess she's evolved over the past few years

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From 2012-Tulsi Gabbard: The Curiously Conservative and Nepotistic Network of a Democratic Candidate (Original Post) dlwickham Feb 2016 OP
Tulsi did evolve.....Hell, Hillary didn't evolve until the SECOND time she ran for President. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #1
No, she hasn't evolved. She still feels and acts the same as always. Jitter65 Feb 2016 #9
That sounds more like a description of Hillary Clinton virtualobserver Feb 2016 #10
Well y'all seem to like that quality in a politician TM99 Feb 2016 #2
actually dlwickham Feb 2016 #4
Sorry you don't get to rewrite history. TM99 Feb 2016 #5
Facts are facts dlwickham Feb 2016 #7
I presented the facts. TM99 Feb 2016 #8
Notice how softly she said "no" to gay marriage....like a guilty child, caught doing something wrong virtualobserver Feb 2016 #11
You presented two YouTube videos dlwickham Feb 2016 #16
That has got to be the lamest fucking response I have ever seen. TM99 Feb 2016 #17
Many Americans, including President Obama evolved on the issues of SSM. I don't understand Justice Feb 2016 #13
It is not the evolution per se. TM99 Feb 2016 #14
that didn't take long tk2kewl Feb 2016 #3
it's gettiing crowded under the bus.... mike_c Feb 2016 #6
All I can say is CRACK nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #12
That didn't matter pintobean Feb 2016 #15
 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
9. No, she hasn't evolved. She still feels and acts the same as always.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:35 AM
Feb 2016

She supports the President? Don't think so. She put out statements to be elected. Everyone in HI knows exactly where she stands LGBT issues. It's just not that important to them.

Hillary has not evolved either. She still holds her personal belief that marriage ought to be between a man and a woman and she still believes that LBGT couples ought to receive the same benefits as heterosexual couples. And she also supports the President's actions on LBGT issues including marriage. It is a matter of personal thoughts and feelings and both she and Tulsi will uphold the laws as they are now. It is just amazing to me how many BS supporters can overlook, excuse Tulsi's past history on these issues while they hold such vitriol and unforgiveness against Hillary for her past positions.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
2. Well y'all seem to like that quality in a politician
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:28 PM
Feb 2016

so why are you complaining?

Also from 2012 --

Tulsi Gabbard: Supports President’s Position on Gay Rights

Tulsi Gabbard today released a statement in response to President Barack Obama’s announcement in support of marriage equality for all Americans:

I congratulate the President for taking a strong stand on marriage equality for all Americans, regardless of sexual orientation. I understand his journey, and stand with him on this issue. This is why in Congress I will work for the repeal of DOMA and support and co-sponsor the Respect for Marriage Act.

During my deployment to the Middle East with the Hawai’i National Guard in 2004 I realized that I could not, in good conscience, fight for liberty and freedom overseas while advocating something less than that here at home. That was an important decision for me and, in that context, I fully recognize the significance of the president’s announcement today.

Protecting the civil rights of all Americans is an obligation we must strive to fulfill. It’s critical that we support President Obama and stand with him now more than ever so our progress on these issues cannot be overturned by extremist Republican presidents and Members of Congress.

My position remains firmly that same-sex couples should be afforded all benefits, privileges, and rights that the government grants to heterosexual couples.


http://mauidemocrats.org/wp/?p=1971

Seems she was ahead of the curve on LGBT marriage rights unlike Clinton who was a still a bigot until 2013.

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
4. actually
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 10:29 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/

Our conclusion

Clinton opposed same-sex marriage as a candidate for the Senate, while in office as a senator, and while running for president in 2008. She expressed her support for civil unions starting in 2000 and for the rights’ of states to set their own laws in favor of same-sex marriage in 2006.

As polls showed that a majority of Americans supported same-sex marriage, Clinton’s views changed, too. She announced her support for same-sex marriage in March 2013.





 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
5. Sorry you don't get to rewrite history.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 10:39 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:21 AM - Edit history (1)

She couldn't have been both for it in 2000 to 2006 and also have been completely against as she stated in 2004 and again in 2008 as evidenced in both of these videos.





Nice try at the spin.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
11. Notice how softly she said "no" to gay marriage....like a guilty child, caught doing something wrong
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:43 AM
Feb 2016
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
17. That has got to be the lamest fucking response I have ever seen.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 04:09 PM
Feb 2016

Those two YoutTube videos were recordings of her speech form 2004 and her discussion with Chris Matthews during the 2008 campaign.

That they are from YouTube in no way invalidates the facts presented.

Try again and this time, let's see if you can give a more reasoned reply.

Justice

(7,185 posts)
13. Many Americans, including President Obama evolved on the issues of SSM. I don't understand
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:57 AM
Feb 2016

the issue. I do understand that as people evolved, so did President Obama and so did Hillary Clinton. I think Michelle Obama was actually there first - as she was the one that started making references in her public comments about "who you love.'

Clinton's views evolving reflect many Americans, many Democrats. I don't don't think she is out of the mainstream on this issue. The important thing is that she is supportive now - when so many Republicans would like to see it undone.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
14. It is not the evolution per se.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:13 PM
Feb 2016

It is the rewriting of her history by her supporters. Claiming she was 'secretly' for it when she was publicly not. Claiming she 'evolved' sooner when publicly she was not.

Couple that with outright lies and attacks on Sanders LGBT civil rights record, and yes, I have some serious issues to contend.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
12. All I can say is CRACK
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:47 AM
Feb 2016

one party is in open warfare and the other is developing major cracks. Ah base rebellions, gotta love them.

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