Polls: Clinton could lose NY to Trump

[EdwardBernays]

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Confidential polling data shows Hillary Clinton could lose the presidential election in heavily Democratic New York to Donald Trump as the GOP front-runner’s support grows to the point of being “surprisingly strong,” The Post has learned.

The poll results, from Democratic and Republican legislative races, have surprised many leading Dems, virtually all of whom have endorsed Clinton, while confounding and energizing GOP leaders, many of whom until recently have been opposed to Trump.

...

“In the suburbs and upstate, Trump has a net positive while Hillary is a net negative,” one longtime Republican operative contended. “She’s more of a liability than many Democrats realized.”

Some of the polls also found a greater degree of intensity among Trump’s potential voters than among Clinton’s, a finding that mirrors the stronger GOP turnouts that have been registered in the presidential primaries.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/28/hillary-could-lose-to-trump-in-democratic-new-york/

[frazzled]

1. And pigs could fly

NY Post. "Confidential polling data." Need we say more?

[EdwardBernays]

7. Look at the flying pig

A publicly disclosed Siena College poll of Long Island voters last week found Trump narrowly beating Clinton among Long Island voters, 41 percent to 38 percent...

[frazzled]

11. Long Island is not NYS

She won her last senate election in the state 67% to 31%.

And that's a premature poll (we've been told to ignore all polls before the two party nominees are confirmed), which totals only 79% of voters, in one area.

[leftynyc]

18. ONE county?

And that's supposed to represent ALL NEW YORKERS? The desperation is getting rancid.

[tk2kewl]

39. LI is 2 counties - and they both usually go to Democrats

Nassau pop 1,349,233
Suffolk pop 1,499,273

NYS pop 19,607,100

LI = ~15% of the state pop

[leftynyc]

45. Uh - NO they don't

usually go for Democrats so now I know you don't know shit about Long Island. Where the fuck do you think Pete King represents? Just stop digging, you're only embarrassing yourself.

[tk2kewl]

55. Congress is a different story

Congress is a different story. King is my Rep. I live in Nassua Co. and do in fact know what I am talking about.

2012
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/president/new-york/

2008
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html

2004
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_New_York,_2004

should i keep going?

btw.. nice mouth

[leftynyc]

56. Awwww - I had no idea

you were such a delicate flower. If you think donnie can win ny based on a poll of Long Islanders, you're version of reality is that of those who love those special mushrooms. Not gonna happen. Want to lose Long Island? Run a candidate who wants to raise taxes.

[tk2kewl]

59. I'm not delicate at all... just factual

you on the other hand have no idea what your talking about and are quite unpleasant

[CoffeeCat]

83. They are unpleasant, aren't they?

The hive seems unusually angry, paranoid and feral-like lately.

Something in the water cooler?

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. So this internal poll that somebody leaked to the Post

why the post has me baffled, and this public Sienna Poll are that related, as in well, close? I usually know from these things that at times internal polls are way off (See romney 2012), and sometimes they are ahead of the curve. Like all polling, they have their issues.

It is s not my state, but at this point, given how close CA and NY at times track each other, that has my hair in even more fire.

Oh and this tells me there is one nasty civil war at the state party. INCOMING!!!!

[tk2kewl]

57. let's go ahead and add in some more presidential elections

2000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_New_York,_2000

1996
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_New_York,_1996

1992 - the last time LI didn't vote for the Dem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_New_York,_1992

Seeing as you thought LI was a single county and then went on to assume that LI doesn't vote for Democratic presidents, who is the one that should be embarrassed?

I would suggest you use google in the future before making baseless claims, assumptions and accusations.

[leftynyc]

62. You have no idea what you're talking about

The last time we ran a candidate who wanted to raise taxes, he lost 49 states - including NY. I'm in zero rush to see that happening again. I'm tired of this exercise - Bernie doesn't stand a chance at being the candidate.

[tk2kewl]

64. we were discussing how LI votes, not Bernie Sanders...

being made a fool can make one pout and runaway

see ya

[leftynyc]

66. Sweetie - you don't have the chops

to embarrass me....but if it makes you feel better (which those juvenile emoticons seem to be conveying), knock yourself out. LI will never go for trump no matter how much you and your pals want to scare people by saying it would. Isn't it time for another person or group to be thrown under the bus - better scoot along.

[tk2kewl]

67. btw... how did you come up with your user name leftynyc?

i never met a "lefty" so terrifyingly worried about raising taxes on the rich, wall street or corporations

i bet you loved Bloomberg

[leftynyc]

80. I've had this screen name

since I started signing onto boards - so over 15 years. If Bernie was just talking about raising taxes on the rich, you'd have a point but he's not - he's talking about raising EVERYONE'S taxes and I'm not good with that. Raise them on the 1%, corps and wall street to 90%, I couldn't care less but I'm already paying too much. Bloomberg? He was okay, I guess. I don't live in the city so I didn't vote for him. Last time I lived in the city, Dinkins was mayor.

[tk2kewl]

73. oh, and btw... i was not trying to embarrass you...

i simply pointed out that maybe you should be embarrassed, but i wouldn't be surprised if you weren't embarrassed at all.

[leftynyc]

81. No - I never let

anonymous people on the internet effect my ego. That would be stupid.

[JCMach1]

2. The Post... really

[EdwardBernays]

4. Shooting the messenger

That's all you got?

[JCMach1]

9. I am expected to believe NY likes the Glorious Leader that much...?

Not bloody likely...

[EdwardBernays]

10. Read the link

A publicly disclosed Siena College poll of Long Island voters last week found Trump narrowly beating Clinton among Long Island voters, 41 percent to 38 percent,

[JCMach1]

14. That poll is different from the one being touted by the story... That main poll 'supposedly' also

Trump up by more than 37% against his Rubio and Kasich. Once again, I add.... really?

As for LI, Lazio beat Clinton on Long Island... people tend to forget that.

[shenmue]

12. The Post is a piece of shit.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

3. New York?

she would be toast

[Agnosticsherbet]

5. New York Post - Confidential polling - This is a joke, right?

LOL

[msongs]

6. "confidential polling data" looks like big media is in the tank for sanders nt

[EdwardBernays]

8. Click the link

A publicly disclosed Siena College poll of Long Island voters last week found Trump narrowly beating Clinton among Long Island voters, 41 percent to 38 percent,

[JCMach1]

19. the article conflates a real poll (Siena) with this 'Confidential Poll'...

even the Siena poll is probably within MOE, plus you have to look at the methodology...

If our Democratic nominee (whoever it is) loses NY, we are getting our ass kicked anyway. It's the equivalent of the Rep's losing TX. You cannot put together a path to victory without it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. The confidential poll is an internal poll

all campaign do them... and why this was leaked to the post has me partially bafled... but if it is reliable,NY is in play.

By the way, you might want to correct Nate Silver on them not existing

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/when-internal-polls-mislead-a-whole-campaign-may-be-to-blame/

These things are far from a secret.

[JCMach1]

111. Remember Romney's?

I know he does...

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. Yup, some of them, like all pollsq

are extremely accurate, some of them are not.

The fact that somebody leaked this is what has my interest, not whether this internal is accurate or not. There is a civil war inside the democratic party, This is another expression of it. It is not as loud as the one in the R side of the house.

It does indeed feel like 1824... read about the almost collapse of both parties. The Dems, well their predecessors, survived, but barely. It was not pretty.

[JCMach1]

114. Insurgency, not Civil War as the turmoil is largely outside of the party proper...

It's more like Reagan's peeps in 1976 taking over the party, but falling short of the nomination.

That insurgency is setting the stage for an all-out Progressive take-over of the party. For me, there would not even have been a question of being undecided (as I am still) if Sen. Warren had run.

For all of Sen. Clinton's limitations as a candidate, I also find much to question about Sen. Sanders as well. So, I still have about 10 days, or so to make-up my mind and fill-in my absentee ballot.

[nadinbrzezinski]

115. Well I am looking at all this

including the now possible five people on the presidential ballot and I am thinking all those rules are littering the floor right now.

In fact. I have been spending way too much time in the Presidential race at RSD, mostly because this is going to change the political landscape all the way to my city wall. So I will have to mull this over, for an hour and start working on an analysis piece.

[mercuryblues]

70. The last available Sienna poll

also has Clinton up by 25 for New York State

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_trump_vs_clinton-5792.html

[lpbk2713]

79. Hey, don't go confusing the OP with facts and stuff.

[LonePirate]

13. If Clinton wins the GE, I'm not sure who will be more upset: the Repubs or much of DU.

She seems to be hated equally by both.

[EL34x4]

23. The Republican establishment will be relieved.

They loath Donald Trump even more than Hillary Clinton.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

101. Does that mean she's doing something right?

[Andy823]

107. Well

I don't really think that all the Hillary haters here on DU are "really" Democrats. I am sure most of them are actually republicans.

[leftynyc]

15. Confidential polling from the NY Post?

A murdock rag? How desperate can people get? First newsmax and now the NY post. Sickening.

[EdwardBernays]

30. To much of a snob to click the link

Which explains how you missed this:

A publicly disclosed Siena College poll of Long Island voters last week found Trump narrowly beating Clinton among Long Island voters, 41 percent to 38 percent,

Do Murdoch own that as well?

You guys are gonna be in for a hell of a shock in November.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

32. Long Island is not representitive of the state of New York

You were called on that above but you continue to double down on that flaw.

[EdwardBernays]

35. Riiiight

So no matter what you're gonna say it's BS.

Clinton goggles on usual.

[leftynyc]

43. LOL - ONE county

in NY is supposed to represent the entire state - a county, by the way, that Hillary LOST to Lazio when she took the senate seat with over 60% of the vote? Just stop embarrassing yourself this way. It's hard to watch.

[RoccoR5955]

46. She beat Lazy Lazio because he didn't do enough campaigning.

Had he campaigned more, it would have been closer.

[leftynyc]

48. LOL - that's pretty funny

It wasn't a close election 55% vs 43% - that's not a problem with not campaigning enough. Just stop with the bullshit.

[RoccoR5955]

51. That is becasue Lazio did not put his campaign

to the places where it mattered. NYC and LI.
He won upstate.

[leftynyc]

53. So fucking what?

He was too stupid to campaign where there are more people than cows and that's supposed to mean Donnie can win NY? Where are you taking this ridiculous argument?

[RoccoR5955]

61. People upstate do not like Clinton

People on LI and parts of NYC love tRump.
Just sayin' like Yogi Berra said: "It ain't over till it's over."

[leftynyc]

63. She managed to win her senate

seat with 55% of the vote.

[LanternWaste]

54. No more and no less than no matter what, you're gonna say it's valid.

No more and no less than no matter what, you're gonna say it's valid.

Sanders goggles on as usual.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.





(insert distinction lacking relevant difference below to maintain pretense of objectivity...)

[tk2kewl]

76. it is pretty representative actually

see my discussion about LI presidential voting record from 1992 through 2012 above beginning with
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7648703

try to ignore the blather from leftynyc

[mercuryblues]

82. sienna poll

has Clinton up by 25 in new York state. Considering the entire state votes for the president, not just LI, Clinton has a pretty good chance of winning NY.

[BeyondGeography]

16. Another Eeyore post, this one c/o Murdoch

Oy.

[Depaysement]

17. You mean my vote might actually count?

Not buying it.

[EL34x4]

20. At issue isn't whether Hillary Clinton loses New York. She won't.

At issue is whether she will have to spend money in New York. This prospect is a little more troubling. Money spent in New York is money not spent in Florida or Ohio.

[RoccoR5955]

47. Good. Then my vote in the general election will not matter.

And I can just vote for "none of the above" on that line.

[Atman]

21. "Confindential polling" from the NY Post.

Wow. I'm skeered.

[EdwardBernays]

25. Didn't click the link huh?

A publicly disclosed Siena College poll of Long Island voters last week found Trump narrowly beating Clinton among Long Island voters, 41 percent to 38 percent...

[Atman]

37. And what percentage of LI is NY?

So, a very narrow percentage of LI voters favors Trump. New York is a very big state.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. It is not from the post

it is internal democratic party polling, which somebody leaked to the post. Your mileage will vary as to who, or why?

[1StrongBlackMan]

84. Could you post where you got THAT information? ...

Or, better, post the confidential polling that is being referred to?

Thanks.

[nadinbrzezinski]

85. carefully read the article

and then tell me... but here since I did read the article.

Confidential polling data shows Hillary Clinton could lose the presidential election in heavily Democratic New York to Donald Trump as the GOP front-runner’s support grows to the point of being “surprisingly strong,” The Post has learned.

The poll results, from Democratic and Republican legislative races, have surprised many leading Dems, virtually all of whom have endorsed Clinton, while confounding and energizing GOP leaders, many of whom until recently have been opposed to Trump.

It is in the first paragraph. Not my first rodeo, and I have seen campaigns at times leak these things to the press. or worst, party operatives before.

This is hardly unprecedented. It just points to a nasty internal civil war at least within the state party. That is all. Why the Post... has me baffled, except for one explanation... whoever leaked it, wants to get pants on fire in state party, and they could not get another source, or this is a strategic leak.

And by the way, Mr. Trump is already using it, and if this internal poll is correct... CA might be in play too. That is one hell of an expansion of the map for Trump. The latter is pure speculation on my part. but at this point, this race, nothing surprises me anymore. This race is so out of the norm all previous rules do not apply anymore.

[1StrongBlackMan]

87. IOWs, you have nothing to indicate that there is, in fact, ...

such confidential polling, Democratic or otherwise, beyond your rodeo experience.

[nadinbrzezinski]

90. yup, you go tell Nate Silver

that there is no internal polling m'kay. He even had a long piece about when internals are wrong

Here

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/when-internal-polls-mislead-a-whole-campaign-may-be-to-blame/

This is hardly a secret among poltical media, or for people who truly pay attention. I suppose you really do not pay that close attention, That write up, somebody gave them access to that data.

Again, not my first rodeo and they exist.

And here, from this year, Cruz must have hired the same outfit that did them for Romney

http://therightscoop.com/bush-internal-polling-shows-cruz-surge-in-south-carolina/

Yeah, right wing source

Oooh more mention of internals, as they are commonly known as well, now for the dems

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-internal-poll-shows-brown-with-large-lead-20150706-story.html

and here from Huffpost, dated though

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/20/colorado-senate-polls_n_6014032.html

There are a buttload of articles on this on the web... why it always baffles me that people do not understand this is happening.

Next time you want to tell me something does not exist, at least try to do your homework. I mean it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

94. I didn't say anything about there not being such a thing as internals ...

I'm asking about the basis of your claim that there are internals (confidential internals) that say what the Post claims.

Speculation is fine. Basing one'side speculation on sketchy sources is fine, too ... but less so.

I mean it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

96. The words used in the write up are quite clear,

somebody leaked an internal poll, You can either believe that happened, or most likely not... goes against the narrative, I know.

If true... there is that pesky qualifier and from now to November is many eternities in politics,, NY might be in play, and if it is in play and she loses. have fun. Personally I will not be surprised. Trump has ben doing things that have broken so many rules the ground is littered with their remains.

As to sketchy sources, I have learned over the years that from time to time even the worst rw or lw media, gets it right. So I do read them, and do not consider them not possible just becuase it is a murdoch paper. By the way, speaking of motivations, Mr. Murdoch might hate HRC... but boy he fears trump.

And here you go, from a source that perhaps you might actually believe

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/22/rupert_murdochs_donald_trump_nightmare_he_cant_control_the_monster_fox_news_created/

I will repeat this, the rules this election are nowhere close to normal.

[1StrongBlackMan]

105. Ms. Neutral Arbiter of Fact ...

has it escaped you that you are, also, promoting a "narrative" ... basing it on a "leak" of "confidential" polling, that you label from a "Democratic" source, from laughably sketchy media source?

If true... there is that pesky qualifier and from now to November is many eternities in politics,, NY might be in play, and if it is in play and she loses. have fun. Personally I will not be surprised. Trump has ben doing things that have broken so many rules the ground is littered with their remains.

If ...

As to sketchy sources, I have learned over the years that from time to time even the worst rw or lw media, gets it right. So I do read them, and do not consider them not possible just becuase it is a murdoch paper. By the way, speaking of motivations, Mr. Murdoch might hate HRC... but boy he fears trump.

And there appears to be a positive correlation between your willingness to accept the veracity of the sketchy source and your personal opinion on the topic, i.e., if it is critical of certain Democrats or the Democratic Party, you assign high truth value; whereas, is it is supportive of certain other Democrats or the Democratic Party, you don't even mention it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

106. Believe it or not, this is part of the soup

hey... it is not my state, so for the most part this goes into the filing cabinet. and will watch my state closely. IF this is even close to the truth... guess what given how CA and NY at times track each other... for the first time in many years my state might be in play too. And don't tell me that is impossible, We are after all the home of Nixon (when the state was reliable red), Reagan (same story) and we voted over the last decade for the Guvernator, who wanted to run a "full action state." He sort of did, to the ground.

Your come backs are funny and pure deflection. And you do not want any discussion or address what is presented to you, Of course that is the kind way to put. They are more like soft personal attacks, and they are funny as hell. Thanks for the laugh. That headache is killing me so the distraction is needed.


I understand this narrative you do not like,. Hey I get it, I don't like the idea either, but I have said it in the past, that the conditions are such that we are seeing a base revolt. And now, it is not just me. More and more media are now speaking the words I have spoken about for YEARS, CNN a few minutes ago, was speaking of the collapse of the GOP... as a possibly. So given I saw the early trends of that about 10 years ago and started going there that long ago here, I think I have somewhat of a finger on the pulse. And yes, more than a few of your friends in the centrist wing of the party made fun of it. Not so much fun anymore.

By the way Mr. Blitzer, welcome to the club. That was one of those moments I went.... DAMN, now you guys are going there, and it might be TOO LATE.

[1StrongBlackMan]

108. What is it with the personal attack allegation ...

I guess disagreeing with you and pointing out where you go off the rails is a personal attack.

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. Nope, not allegation

it is what it is

[RichGirl]

22. I don't think he'll be the nominee.

The media was giving him too much airtime...but I think they are seeing the light. The David Duke thing must have been a thump on their collective heads. Even Scarborough calling for him to denounce Duke. If he does he'll lose supporters. Between a rock and a hard place for sure.

If he does get the nom, he'll need dem votes. By the time November comes...he'll probably have said so many stupid things that we can forgo an election all together and each state will save a ton of money.

[EdwardBernays]

29. He's denounced him

Repeatedly - for years.

And to his supporters this is just more media BS.

Watch a Trump rally sometime and see if you think his supporters care about the media.

[sufrommich]

24. The Sanders supporters desperation sets in.nt

[EdwardBernays]

27. Lol

The only thing we're desperate for is Clinton supporters to wake up before they drive the country into a ditch. Especially for someone so dishonest and corrupt.

[Initech]

26. New York Post - owned by Rupert Murdoch. What do you expect?

[EdwardBernays]

28. Click the link maybe?

A publicly disclosed Siena College poll of Long Island voters last week found Trump narrowly beating Clinton among Long Island voters, 41 percent to 38 percent...

[mercuryblues]

91. are you

why won't you click this link?
A sienna Poll showing Clinton over trump by 25%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_trump_vs_clinton-5792.html

Is it because it doesn't fit your narrative?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

31. Stop it already

You do Bernie Sanders no service quoting right wing sources.

[EdwardBernays]

34. Like this?

A publicly disclosed Siena College poll of Long Island voters last week found Trump narrowly beating Clinton among Long Island voters, 41 percent to 38 percent...

Is that right-wing?

Because it's in that article.

People are too hang up on sources. It makes people shallow if they only read things they agree with.

[spanone]

33. not very 'confidential' if it's in the nypost

[EdwardBernays]

36. Check the NYTs

It's full of confidential stuff.

[spanone]

38. link to this story in the times?

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Your mileage will vary why this was leaked to the NY Post

but it was... somebody in the D side of the house did. And this only tells me the internal war is heating up

[Kelvin Mace]

40. Right, the NY Post is not fit for cat litter.

[RoccoR5955]

49. They do use it for

bird cage liner, and fish wrap.

[Kelvin Mace]

89. Will no one think of the birds and the dead fish?

[Nightjock]

41. Doubt it. I live on Long Island

The Lazio-Clinton race was a long time ago. As for now, all I see are Bernie signs and bumper stickers here.

[elleng]

52. 'If we are going to nominate someone who 50% of our people can't stand,

we are going to lose.'

Marco Rubio

Goes for BOTH parties.

[Macattack1]

58. can't believe the level of denial around here

I'm in Mass...trump is right about at 50%..like Politico,(hardly the Post I would say), says...if he wins with that much support, it could mean he wins the GE...basically he is getting all the independents.. anyone who thinks the GE won't be extremely close, is in denial, big-time.

[DeadLetterOffice]

60. As an upstate NY resident --

-- and Sanders supporter -- let me just say:
Yeah, right.

NY state going GOP in a presidential race? Let alone for Trump? Someone at the Post is smoking crack.

Rural upstate might well vote for the Trump (shudder), but Democrats downstate reliably help to carry the state blue in Presidential races. Won't matter if it's Bernie or HRC on the ticket, NY as a whole will go to the Democrat.

[tk2kewl]

78. it was a Sienna College poll of LI voters

if LI goes GOP, that's a pretty big deal since they have not since 1992

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7648703

[RoccoR5955]

92. Uh huh...

That's how Pataki became governor. Nope, NY can go RepubliCLOWN in less than a heartbeat.

[DeadLetterOffice]

95. The state hasn't gone red in a presidential election since Reagan

[RoccoR5955]

97. I guess you forget Pataki.

They said he couldn't win and he won THREE FUCKING TIMES!!!!!

[DeadLetterOffice]

99. We voted for Pataki for president? When did that happen???

Read slower - I am specifically stating *presidential* elections. Repeatedly.
I will never successfully forget Pataki, no worries (shudder).

[Purveyor]

65. You can scratch off Michigan and Ohio too

[EarlG]

68. Really?

The Siena poll cited by the Post in this article shows Hillary up over Trump in Nassau, but down in Suffolk. Given that Siena's most recent statewide poll has Bernie and Hillary beating any of the Republican candidates by double digits (no worse than 17 points), it looks like the Post is cherry picking data from a single county in a pretty lame effort to spin the poll into a statewide loss.

Not that the New York Post would ever do anything like that of course.

[stevenleser]

120. EarlG, note this is his followup to pushing folks to declare "Bernie or Bust", i.e. don't support

Clinton if she is the nominee. Check his prior OPs.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

69. Sanders fanatics are getting so sad with their desperation that they're coming across

as rooting for Trump.

When they start quoting Newsmax and New York Post and suggesting that Dick Morris is some credible guy, we know that we're in a sad state of affairs.

[RoccoR5955]

93. No but we are being realists

because we know that tRump will be president if Clinton is nominated.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

98. We don't know that really. As we saw today, the polls shifted and polls shift on a daily basis.

One of things I enjoy about being a political scientist is analyzing the ebb and flows of everyday politics and grappling with the dynamics of public opinion and sentiment.

It's going to be quite interesting going forward.

The GOP is grappling with Trump and there are far many who are revolting. They're talking about running a third party candidate if Trump is the nominee. This is from a growing number of Republican representatives and senators.

[RoccoR5955]

100. Ok if there is a growing number

then please name three, so I can at least check them out for myself.
Thanks.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

102. Growing numbers: Senater Sasse and Rep. Mo Brooks. Now Romney's campaign manager is on

suggesting that they're considering a Third Party.

It's on MSNBC right now.

[RoccoR5955]

103. Interesting...

I wonder if they will try to draft Bloomberg.
Nah, he's a Jew, and those bastards hate Jews.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

110. The post that Big Dog just posted is another example...

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141363736

Looks to me that the Republican party is fractured.

[RoccoR5955]

116. Yeah

McConnell said last week that if tRump was the nominee that he would back Hillary. That tells me that she is the corporate candidate for the Democratic Party. We do not need corporatists, we need PEOPLE.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

118. Christie Todd Whitman and Senator Ron Johnson (WI) both said that they won't support Trump.

CTW says she'll vote for Hillary. Meg Whitman went after Chris Christie, vowing too, that she'd vote for HRC if Trump is the nominee.

I know quite a few Republicans who have also pledged to throw their support for HRC. (I work in D.C. and run in political circles, so I come across a lot of people in politics.)

[lpbk2713]

104. That's a distinct possibility.

They are testing the waters with public statements like that.

And it is probably Chump's best hope.

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. Yuo mean the story that Politico broke on Saturdy

I posted on Sunday, both here and at RSD is now at MSNBC (and CNN)... cool

Some of us have been predicting that for ten years or so. Some of us can read trends, the only thing that will save the dems from their fate, at this point is a third, fourth or fight party run. (Rs, Bloomberg, Ventura).

Otherwise, Mr. Trump will be President Elect.

My question is whether the party will learn the lesson. Most likely not, and the discontent driving this is not going away.

[davidn3600]

71. New York, no. But maybe PA

Trump isn't a typical GOP candidate. So I'm not sure the traditional statistical models are really valid.

[Andy823]

72. This kind of crap belongs on GD-P

Why can't you and your band of trash and bashers stay over there and leave this board alone?

[B Calm]

74. Wrong forum! Didn't you get that message before posting?

[Cavallo]

75. I am afraid of a trump win.

[hifiguy]

77. I cannot say I am surprised.

She's the walking, talking embodiment of the self-serving, self-dealing, utterly corrupt political insider class of which people are sick to death. He, Trump, while an asshole of Olympian proportions, does not fit that description in the public mind. 'tis what it is.

[RBInMaine]

86. The NY Post? Seriously? It's one click away from the National Enquirer.

[VOX]

117. Jesus H. Christ, please lock this mess! n/t

[stevenleser]

119. Nonsense from the Post is your followup to pushing Bernie or Bust?

[LannyDeVaney]

121. Ha-ha. OK. You go with that.

I'll go with the future President of the United States.

[book_worm]

122. Should this really be in this forum?

It's just part of the primary wars.

[cyberswede]

123. Locking...

So sorry, but the Hosts feel that this doesn't meet the SoP for GD, since it is largely about Clinton's strength as a primary candidate.

Please consider reposting in GDP. Thanks.