And Elizabeth Warren goes under the bus

[leftynyc]

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Elizabeth Warren fails to endorse Bernie and his fans freak the hell out on her Facebook page:

And rant they did, ripping into the implicit heresy of Warren’s failure to endorse Sanders by letting her know in no uncertain terms that they are really really really REALLY disappointed. And worse.

As in:

Your unwillingness to endorse Bernie prior to Super Tuesday indicates to me that your fear of pressure from Hillary friends on Capitol Hill “trumps” your commitment to the progressive cause. I have lost faith in you and the DNC.

Elizabeth – is there ANY reason on God’s green earth that you’re sitting quiet in the corner while Bernie is awaiting your endorsement? Am I missing something here???

Is she really part of the establishment? How can she, as a representative of the people, as a self proclaimed progressive, not publicly endorse Bernie Sanders? Do you think she owes Clinton some political favors? hmmmm.

With every day that passes without your endorsement of Sanders, Wall Street rejoices, and the corporate owned Hillary Clinton is validated. Shame on you.

Sen Warren let all of the progressives down and the country by not endorsing us before Super Tuesday. With her help, we could have and should have won Mass. Why and what does she have up her sleeve???

Karl Rove’s money? Are you smoking crack? I love Elizabeth and would have supported her over Bernie had she chose to run, but I am deeply disappointed in her for not supporting Bernie when it mattered. She will lose ALL credibility if she supports Hillary at any point as Shillary is tied to Wall Street.

You have let all progressives down. Sanders can still win, but if he doesn’t that’s on you. And when Trump defeats Clinton that will be on you too. You’re a sellout. Your endorsement will not save Clinton and we will not vote for her. It’s worthless now.

Warren is a wuss. Her silence will not be forgotten.

Senator Warren: I will no longer support or contribute to you or your campaigns. I think it unconscionable that you can continue to condone the corruption in Washington by NOT endorsing Bernie Sanders. I am actually shocked that you would leave a fellow progressive twisting in the wind, as the Clinton Circus rolls into your state and cheats her way to a very narrow win. You’ve made it very clear: you’re only interested in your political career, not showing solidarity to the people promoting the important causes that you apparently only pay lip service to.#FeelTheBern

I sincerely hope that another progressive runs against Warren so that she can be voted out of office as a reward for her cowardice. I understand Warren is in a difficult position, but this is a time for courage.

[saturnsring]

1. berniacs are our t-party

as they go screaming for the alert button, truth hurts

"I will no longer support or contribute to you or your campaigns". just pathetic

[haikugal]

7. That's what Bubba calls us anyway...who's classy?

[saturnsring]

9. not those bernie supporters that's for sure and by the you are our little t-party

btw not you specifically unless you are

[haikugal]

14. It's nasty and uncalled for. Divisive and counter productive.

Our turnout is extremely low. Ask yourself why and what that means for a Clinton victory in the GE.

I deal in reality...this story is highly suspect.

[saturnsring]

18. your correct the actions of the bernie supporters are nasty and uncalled for why dont you behave

better - turn out is low because it is a primary and many dems would be happy with either candidate. this story may or may not be true but it wouldn't be the first time the Bernie supporters attacked another democrat

[haikugal]

27. Turn out is low because it's being suppressed...the old thumb on the scale.

Why can't we have a clean, fair primary? Hell the Clintons don't even honor the election laws. They have complete disregard for the voters other than what the voters can do for them.

[LW1977]

2. Classy with a k

Actually class without the c and l

[octoberlib]

3. I think they're putting too much stock

in endorsements.

[HassleCat]

4. Under the bus, under the bus, under the bus...

As a former professional bus driver, I wish people would learn to use this phrase correctly.

[leftynyc]

6. Is that not what the

thread title says? Under the bus. What are you talking about?

[HassleCat]

25. Let me explain

To throw someone under the bus, you have to be on the bus with that person in the first place. The phrase means you are back-stabbing someone who was a loyal friend, a trusted associate, etc. When a department head blames a subordinate for a management failure, the subordinate is being thrown under the bus. If Bernie Sanders rebuked Elizabeth Warren for not being progressive, or not supporting hum, that might be an instance of "under the bus." But even that would be a stretch, because Sanders and Warren are congressional colleagues, not running mates or something such as that. If Warren were a big Sanders supporter, involved with his campaign, etc. then she could be thrown under the bus by Sanders. A bunch of tweets from people claiming to be Sanders supporters does not relate to "under the bus" in any way.

[leftynyc]

31. Disagree

Elizabeth Warren has been (rightly) embraced by liberals (despite being a former republican) but this isn't the first time I've seen the supporters of Sen Sanders go after her for not endorsing him. It's just the latest example. All these supposed liberals were on the bus with Sen Warren - until recently.

[HassleCat]

41. They got off the bus.

In no way are they driving the bus. They're just passengers. Of course they are not "the supporters" of Sanders. They are "some supporters" or "a few supporters." They are a handful of people who are much too excitable. If they're even real.

[haikugal]

5. Bullshit...this is propaganda.

Bernie supporters are 100% behind Warren unlike the head of the DNC. Who's throwing Warren under the bus? Not us...FAIL!!!

[leftynyc]

8. You think I made up those

facebook posts? Is that what you're accusing me of? After what happened to John Lewis and Jim Clyburn? Really?

[haikugal]

10. Anyone could have made them up. I don't believe it because I've seen no evidence of this.

I trust my eyes...

The civil rights icons received criticism for making rediculous statements that cast aspersions on Sanders civil rights chops. That was extremely disturbing and sad.

[leftynyc]

11. Then you haven't been paying attention

to DU lately. Or are you just ignoring how African Americans have been called too stupid to vote in their best interests?

[haikugal]

15. I've seen how words are twisted to cast aspersions and call good people racists yes.

I consider the source when I see such things and most of those people, if not outright banned, are on ignore.

[leftynyc]

16. Unless they were all mass

banned YESTERDAY, it's all there for anyone who wants to look and it's fucking ugly.

[haikugal]

17. Were?

[leftynyc]

20. Don't understand your question

my point is all the disgusting remarks are still here, whether you've ignored the posters or not - they've OBVIOUSLY not been banned.

[haikugal]

21. Some people prove themselves to be little more tha trolls...I put them on ignore, it saves time.

It' why we have that ability here. I don't understand your point.

[Octafish]

36. Do you think those Facebook posts represent me?

I support Bernie and Elizabeth Warren. I even support Hillary Clinton.

Why do you want to make it out I'm for throwing Warren under the bus?

[Hortensis]

19. Haikugal, by FAR most of Bernie supporters are

just liberals and Democrats who want stronger, more leftward change than Hillary offers. For them buses are for riding, they don't throw anyone under them.

But, as our farthest left candidate, Bernie is also attracting some from the far left with extremist tendencies, and reportedly a few from the far right he's been courting. You surely must see how easily any reverse causes them to burst into flame and look for someone to attack.

Not only is this believable, but many similar aggressive behaviors have occurred before, making this actually entirely predictable. Again, they are small in numbers, but we know a lot about them here because DU's become a gathering place for some of them. It may be well be study site for professional observers.

[haikugal]

23. Hortensis, with due respect. That is not what is being flogged with this article.

This is another attack on 'those radical Bernie supporters' who aren't real Democrats. We Bernie supporters have been attacked for damned near everything you can think of. It's a Brock operation to discredit Bernie that has nothing to do with his proposals or policy. It's dirty.

[leftynyc]

33. Spare me the conspiracy bullshit

and the no true scottsman fallacy. I don't like far left purists any more than I like far right ones. They're unreasonable, reactionary, and far too willing to trash ANYONE who doesn't believe the same way they do. And now with the conspiracy theories. It's fucking madness.

[haikugal]

37. Let me guess...there is no third way right?

[Hortensis]

42. I can entirely believe Brock would make the

most out of nothing in one of his slimy projects. I don't care how long he is "reformed," I don't give this scorpion a ride across the stream.

I have just assumed this was happening in large numbers as reported on a few minor sites without checking myself. This activity is occurring, but you're right in that reporting of the volume could be greatly inflated for partisan reasons. I'll wait as I should have in the first place.

[artislife]

34. Agreed.

This poster is pretty prolific in fantasy writing.

[haikugal]

39. It's not even entertaining!

[Stellar]

12. I love Senator Elizabeth Warren, I can't understand why she should give either one a leg up.

It their race to win or lose.

[leftynyc]

13. Agree (n/t)

[Hortensis]

22. My version is, she gave them both an enormous

boost already. She was the one who really excited so many of us in the first place.

She may have a preference between two acceptable candidates, but the race that must be won is against the GOP, and if I were her all my strategies would be formulated to give our nominee the best chance possible there. My assumption is she is husbanding her stature and ability to affect the GE.

[haikugal]

24. Agreed. She doesn't have to endorse anyone.

[oldandhappy]

28. Yes! Thank you.

[Stellar]

32. I don't think she gave them a boost...she just told them where to start. (to the left, to the left).

when you hear the bell, they should come out swinging. And may the best man win.

[cwydro]

26. This belongs in the primary forum.

Is it really possible to not see the giant red stop sign when you go to post an op?

[leftynyc]

35. I used to pay attention to that

AND complain until I was basically told to shut up about it.

[99th_Monkey]

29. More divide & conquer Hillarian bullshit. The stench is palpable. nt

[artislife]

38. We will end up leaving the pile behind. nt

[Kip Humphrey]

30. Aw, the Meme of the Day! This is tiresome.

There has been no evidence brought forward identifying the originators of this attack on E.Warren being Bernie supporters. Link to the Facebook pages so they can be examined and investigated. No? Can't or won't do?

Then to put it in the vernacular perpetrators of this meme seem to understand,

"CUT IT OUT!"

[leftynyc]

40. The link to the article is in the OP

which give you the link to the facebook page. Don't be lazy.

[Autumn]

44. Proof that those are Bernie supporters? I looked at a few FB profiles there .

Nothing there on their FB pages, not even friends. Smells like brockshit to me.

[yourpaljoey]

43. parcel of nonsense

[djean111]

45. Oh, for fuck's sake! Give it up.

What is your point, anyway? I don't see this as having any bearing whatsoever on who to support, unless one is so shallow that they vote based on endorsements or supporters, and not on records, deeds, and issues.

[cyberswede]

46. Locking...

This topic belongs in GDP.