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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI had an abortion at 7 months pregnant in 1978.
It was after extensive consultation with my doctor and my husband. My husband drove me 6 hrs away to find a clinic that did them that late. We paid for a hotel room nearby.
Although I am sometimes sad about never having children I will never regret my decision. I feel grateful often that some medical people somewhere close enough for me to access, was willing to do what needed to be done. That kind of work had to be hard on them. They were compassionate, skilled and probably saved my life.
It was hard enough as it was. A torturous decision. Why..... WHY....... does anyone in government.......... anyone in the whole world...... think they have any right to make it even harder than it has to be. WHY would anyone demand that I be forced to carry until the actual moment of life threatening emergency takes place.... when the odds of me surviving would be so much less having lived in a very rural area? WHY add more expense, invasive ultrasounds and waiting periods to the agony already present in such a decision?
WHY - WHY - would anyone think they have a right to make a medically necessary procedure illegal.
You have no say. It's not your baby. It's not your body. You are not my doctor. The whole lot of you who think the ban is a fair compromise are so far in the wrong it's ridiculous.
I hope to God none of you ever face a decision like that.
shrike
(3,817 posts)Maybe it would be too emotional for you. It's about the four U.S. doctors that continue to provide late-term abortions.
The filmmakers were extremely courageous. They presented the complexity of the issue. One of the doctors did indeed say it can be a difficult procedure to do. But, as one of them said, they are committed to a woman's right to choose, and that means the right to choose late term.
kas125
(2,472 posts)and had been sick all her life, but was the friendliest, funniest person in the world and everyone loved her. Three years ago her kidneys stopped working. She was in a Catholic hospital because it was the closest one when we took her to the ER, she was on dialysis, waiting to find out if she was a candidate for a transplant and they discovered that she was pregnant. Of course she needed an abortion, but they wouldn't do it where she was, the hospital wanted her to travel three hours away to have it done, which was impossible. Her ob/gyn told them that the baby was already dead, when it wasn't. I was in the room when he came in with the monitor to listen to see if there was a heartbeat, which they forced him to do. He turned the volume all the way down on the machine and said to the other doctor in the room, "I don't hear anything, do you?" The other doctor said I hear nothing. He asked me if I heard anything. I said nope, I don't hear anything. He asked my friend if she heard anything, she said no. So they let him do it, but only because nobody could hear the heartbeat. My friend lived a few more months, but died long before the baby would have been born. I was SO glad that doctor did what he did or the last few months of her life would have been a thousand times worse than they were.
renate
(13,776 posts)I'm sorry about the loss of your friend--she sounds like such a lovely person. But as you said, at least the end of her life was easier than it would have been without his kindness and (in a Catholic hospital) bravery.
wryter2000
(47,256 posts)Shelly Sella was a resident at the medical center where I used to work. She's my hero, and I've told her that.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)She was a youth counselor and very religious both her and her husband. She got pregnant in her early twenties and the baby stopped moving. The doctor refused to take the baby out and she got a life threatening infection. When the doctor finally did deliver the dead fetus it was too late to save her ability to have children. That almost ruined her marriage. It did cause her a whole lot of pain over not being able to have children. It also somehow messed up her hormones for life so she was on medication for that, probably depression too, although she didn't disclose that. The whole reason it came up is she asked me about my homework and I was doing an essay on abortion so she told me her story to give me some real life perspective on the issue. She didn't just tell this to a bunch of teenagers.
shrike
(3,817 posts)To get the fetus out. Incredible grief for the parents. The baby was nearly nine months. It just died in utero.
In a fair world, that doctor would have lost his license.
and I don't know if they declined suing him or if the laws in the 1960s meant they couldn't.
riversedge
(72,680 posts)be aborted immediately. Everything was fine till one morning she said--why isn't he moving today?. Incredible grief like you said.
PatrickforO
(15,071 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)It was discovered on my fifth-month checkup when I didn't seem to be getting bigger and there was no movement. I had an outpatient vacuum extraction (which technically is an abortion). Because this was handled correctly, I was able to get pregnant again and my second daughter was born the next year. Thank you, Dr. Stransky.
ms liberty
(9,765 posts)A woman's choice is just that - her choice. There should be no argument among democrats about this.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I'd really like Clinton to explain what the point of this compromise is. Is she under the illusion that anti-choicers will stop?
Yuugal
(2,281 posts)in everything but the letter by her name. Pissing on the left by restricting abortions will be something she can brag about next time she is hanging with her rich conservative friends. They will reward her very well because it really has to be the dems that ruin abortion rights and SS. Wouldn't you agree? I'm sure the rich do.
Repugs don't support minimum wage and especially any increase in it, she does
Repugs want to make abortion totally illegal, she does not
Repugs are in favor of colleges charging the max possible and students getting killed by for profit loans that kill that future - she isn't
Repugs want immediate war with Iran - she doesn't
Repugs want no restrictions on gun ownership or use (unless it's against the 1% or their enforcers - the cops) she supports sensible restrictions
Repugs want to eviscerate the constitution and make our laws biblical ones - she doesn't
Conflating the 2 just means we get royally screwed by a Trump or Cruz. Don't do it, the American people deserve better than them.
AllyCat
(16,920 posts)Interesting strategy.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Big fucking difference.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)hillary was not supporting the $15 wage early in her campaign
7962
(11,841 posts)Come on. You sound like those on the right I used to hear in '12 saying "theres no difference between Romney & Obama"
Always been pro-choice.
Again, what's the point of this compromise? Does she believe anti-choicers will stop?
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)It's clear that they don't give a rat's ass about abortion per se, or saving babies. If they did, they would push policies like sex ed and access to contraceptives, and they would care about those babies after they were born. This is straight up about controlling women.
Why the great feminist and supporter of women and children can't see that is but pathetic and revealing.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Because it's not true. (see post above)
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Supporting that behavior is even less the case.
I support everyone's right to access the best medical care and to be able to choose or not to choose whatever is offered, and I am glad you are still with us through such a horrific experience.
KentuckyWoman
(6,846 posts)Here we are, fighting to increase access to basic medical care for everyone and then off the side we have members of the Democratic Party talking about compromising away a woman's ability to obtain life saving medical care in certain situations.
It is completely beyond my understanding.
jillan
(39,451 posts)between a woman and her doctor....
jeebus, isn't that what they warned us about the ACA? (which didn't happen) and then the very same people turn around and want to intervene when it comes to this painful decision.
Warpy
(113,054 posts)but antiabortionists are so focused on punishing women for the sin of sex that it just doesn't penetrate the layers of cement around their hard little hearts.
Government and preachers should not be trying to practice medicine. Ever.
elljay
(1,178 posts)because they feel free to cheat on their spouses with rentboys or prostitutes. It is for the sins of a woman controlling her own sex life and body.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Fortunately, a jury took care of it.
mwooldri
(10,373 posts)While the OP does not go into the reasons why (and rightly so, it's her business) it is a medical decision between the wise doctor and the informed patient. I somehow suspect that there's more women who carry unwanted babies to a viable time of delivery and give them up for adoption than going in for elective late term abortions.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)....if she had had a late term abortion she would have lived.
This is a medical procedure, not a political procedure.
pansypoo53219
(21,636 posts)qwlauren35
(6,237 posts)I'm sure it took a lot of thought, some sleepless nights, and some real courage. I have had two abortions, and neither so traumatic. Thank you for sharing. My life would be so different without Roe v. Wade, and I don't like to think about it. I also have had no children, and it may have been because of my abortion... I am VERY okay with it. I'm not mother material.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Maybe they'd really know what it's like to have to choose
fbc
(1,668 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)I posted in another thread that I know someone who aborted an anencephalic fetus at 5.5 months.
Horribly, horribly sad, but what else could they do?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)One, it is not like this is a willy-nilly thing that happens all the time. The main two reasons for late-term abortion are this/life of the mother or a judge somewhere stuck his/her nose into a horrific abuse case (this happened in Michigan), dragging it out until what would have been an early abortion ended up being a late-term abortion.
Really, it comes down to it being that woman's right to make the decision about what is best for her body.
I'm so sorry for your friend, Xema. Life is cruel.
sarge43
(29,128 posts)No certified MD will perform a late term abortion on a whim.
I'd like someone to ask Hillary Clinton in public if she believes an anencephalic fetus should be brought to term.
shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)But you did, you chose to tell your story; and you tell it bravely. I cannot fathom why it is anybody's business but your own. The controlling, the shaming, the shunning is all part of an authoritarian world I just can't stand. Bless you and yours and thank you for speaking to what is always a personal, private, and still somewhat legal issue.
The Shadow Mayor - Warrior for Peace
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Par for the course for Two-Faced Hillary.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Thank you for sharing this painful decision.
And agree with your thoughts.
Boldine
(86 posts)Abortion is a hard decision. Late term abortions are done after very difficult decisions have been made; these are usually very much wanted babies, the women weren't waiting to have an abortion they were waiting to welcome a healthy baby. Why would someone, especially a woman, want to punish other women whose dreams and hopes have been dashed. Women who go through abortion, especially late term abortions, need our compassion and kindness, not disdain and scorn.
Thank you for sharing your story KW.
"Why would someone, especially a woman, want to punish other women whose dreams and hopes have been dashed"
The reason why is that religion and politics are now the same, and there is a side you need to take, with no though about details
It's like when Bush said to the world that you are either with us or against us, about the Iraq war. You could not be about supporting America without backing everything it was doing, and about to do.
With the Christian Right, the women who go to church each Sunday, are told either you believe all what I say, or you are against Christ.
Religion is no longer a moral compass in America, it is dogma, and I hate paying their taxes.
I hate it on Sundays paying for cop after cop directing traffic at their churches while I wait. I hate how my whole adult life, they have been tax free spurting out their tv bullshit. I hate how Pat Robertson, the billionaire, for free, gets on tv and asks for donations.
They control minds for voting. It isn't for good things. Jesus Christ would not approve.
raccoon
(31,406 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)"Why would someone, especially a woman, want to punish other women whose dreams and hopes have been dashed"
When it came time to support Hillary for President, women should burn in hell for not doing so.
When it came time for Hillary to support women on the subject of abortion, she's willing to negotiate with the right. Because, you know, pragmatism.
See how that works?
mountain grammy
(27,152 posts)and to everyone on this thread sharing their story. After reading a particularly nasty exchange on this subject on another thread, this is a much needed dose of reality for some DUer's.
All the best to you, KentuckyWoman.
Greybnk48
(10,342 posts)to you and your husband for what you had to go through. I can't imagine how you must feel, but your decision clearly was the right one.
CaliforniaPeggy
(151,743 posts)OF COURSE it was your decision and no-one else's.
I just want to scream when I read about this sort of thing and the people who want to stop it.
As another poster said, this is a medical procedure, not a political one.
GaYellowDawg
(4,793 posts)Thank you for your perspective, and I'm sorry for your pain, both past and present. Because it's a decision that I and no other man will ever encounter, as a man, I think we have no business whatsoever telling women whether they can or should make those decisions. Our role should be to support the decisions that women make about their bodies, and try to make them easier, not harder.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)We shouldn't have to defend abortion here, period. Our choice, our bodies, if you think you have the right to tell us otherwise Free Republic is that way ------>
liberalfromaustin21
(61 posts)It's a shame that more than 30 years later, women in this country still have to fight against such ridiculous laws regarding their body. The War on women rages on.
Arazi
(6,882 posts)This is a private medical decision. Period. Nobody else gets to be in the middle of that choice but you, your family and your doctor
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)es35
(132 posts)As Anne Gaylor famously said "abortion is a blessing." It certainly saved your life and thousands like you. Last year I heard reports that abortion had reduced crime years later in a number of locations, something you will never hear from the self-righteous (church righteous) who believe fertilized eggs are people. Anti-abortionists are incited to near violence by their clergy who use "religious freedom" as an excuse for criminality. When are we going to realize that the problem is religion.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the fetus is expelled from you body and you look down and realize how developed the fetus already is and understand that it is a matter of saving your life in order to protect the rest of your family from being motherless.
Thank you for this post. Been there. No one has a late term abortion unless it is necessary. It is too hard.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)decision belong to the woman in question and to her alone. Always and no matter what. There is no room for compromise. I will in fact never have to face such a decision, and all I can do is support those who do. And that is exactly what I will do.
Some of the comments on DU the last couple of days have made me furious, and I think those posters should be sent packing, they are the same as the crowds that harass clinics and seek to intimidate their patients.
hamsterjill
(15,441 posts)As a post menopausal woman, I will not face a decision about abortion, but as you illustrate from a man's point of view, the rest of us need to support the freedom of choice. We must stand together and make sure that the radical right does not take away medical decisions from women.
There should be no need for public discussion whatsoever on the topic of abortion because it should be a private decision between a woman and her health care advisor. Anything less is political and absurd.
If there is anyone posting on this board who doesn't support that sentiment, then they are in the wrong place.
polly7
(20,582 posts)My older sister got pregnant at 17 and tried to OD, she was about 12 weeks along - I shared a room with her and for some reason woke up and turned on the lamp next to my bed, saw the bottles of pills near hers and woke up my mom and dad. They got her to the hospital in time but she swore to them she'd keep trying if she had to go through with the pregnancy. I can't even imagine not having her with us now.
No woman should have the absolute right of security of person placed in the hands of anyone other than herself. None of these decisions are made easily. I'm so glad you're here.
CrispyQ
(37,975 posts)Saw that on a bumper sticker & love it.
Here's the thing about the 'right to life' argument - once you put life in a hierarchy, once you state "this life is more important than that life," the argument loses all validity. They are such fucking hypocrites & the fact that so many are men is just creepy & perverted.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)It reinforces my belief that safe and legal abortion MUST remain an option in this country, even in the third trimester.
I have never faced a decision like the one you were forced to -- I simply cannot imagine what it must have been like. I am happy you did not have the additional burden of no access to a medical procedure you needed, which would have made an already terrible situation worse.
bluevoter4life
(791 posts)The year was 2009. I had just started seeing this girl a few months prior. Senior year of college. We had sex with each other for the first time and she ended up being something like 9 days late. After careful consideration and deliberation, we (she) decided that if a pregnancy test came back positive, we (she) would abort the pregnancy. We were both too young, didn't have much money, and just had too much we wanted to do with our lives at the time without the stress of a child. A PERFECTLY legitimate reason to abort, as is ANY reason. Though we came to this decision together, it was ultimately her that made the decision. To anyone that thinks this is something that you just decide as you're pouring your morning coffee, go pound sand. For most of us logical and compassionate individuals, this is one of the hardest decisions I had to be a part of. The reasons why that particular decision was made is of no one's concern other than those directly involved with it. You are not me. You are not her doctor. You are not living our lives. Go fuck off. I find it funny how these politicians claim to be "pro-God, and pro-life" yet fail to recognize a miscarriage as a "God-induced abortion". I am truly sorry if I offended anyone who HAS miscarried. I was simply trying to illustrate a point.
valerief
(53,235 posts)I'm very tired of the "hardest decision of my life" stories. Men don't have to make these decisions. And shouldn't. Their bodies aren't affected.
Men may have to make decisions about whether or not to support a child of theirs that's born. For the most part, women don't really have that choice once they bear a child. If they don't want to live with the guilt of giving the baby away, they're stuck with supporting it.
Men don't get to have a "perspective" on abortion--or shouldn't--just as women don't/shouldn't have a perspective on vasectomies or Viagra. Opinions, yes, but the perspective is all on the person whose body it's affecting.
You sound like a rational person, so I don't mean to finger-wag. I wish I was young enough to live to see the day when men have no say in abortion. (Well, we love the male medical professionals who agree to perform the abortions, but we love the female professionals who do them, too. Medical professionals, of course, should have a say. But not a legal say.) But I'm old now and will die before that day ever comes.
Some of us atheists would hate religion less if it didn't continually keep women second-class citizens. But I guess that's what religion is for anyway.
Mariana
(14,951 posts)is because they've been manipulated into believing abortion is inherently a bad thing.
valerief
(53,235 posts)mountain grammy
(27,152 posts)just a follow up on failed birth control, and the only feeling after was tremendous relief. Mine was a surgical procedure, even in the first trimester, but now, thankfully, most women don't have to face that. If termination of pregnancy can be done medically, any woman should be able to go to her private physician or even an emergency room and get a prescription. The continuation of "abortion clinics" is to stigmatize and shame women and control their decisions. It's nobody's fucking business.
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elljay
(1,178 posts)It is time we stopped using the term "anti-choice" because it makes their position seem innocuous. Let us call them what they really are - Forced Birthers.
valerief
(53,235 posts)eggplant
(3,975 posts)**hugs**
Thank you for your story. You are correct, it is nobody's business.
Choice doesn't mean "choice followed by public justification". It means "choice followed by everyone else can just STFU".
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)While her surrogates scold women about voting for her. She's already decided who can be victims of one of her potential grand bargains.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)I offer support for women if ever faced with this very personal and very difficult decision.
Our bodies. Our choice. No compromise. Butt out.
SunSeeker
(53,445 posts)MuseRider
(34,325 posts)belong NO WHERE in the constitution. We should have the rights to our body and our decisions about our health without needing meddling politicians involving themselves.
Hillary, you had my vote grudgingly if you are the nominee. I have to say, it is going to be damned harder to make myself vote for you now. The one and only reason I had for making myself do something so horrifically against everything else I believe in is pretty much gone. Feminist? Only when it benefits you. Only then, the rest of us can just fucking live with it. No one claiming to support women would ever bargain away ANYTHING having to do with our rights as citizens.
Hugs to you KentuckyWoman. I had an early abortion before it was legal. Not much fun and I certainly did not go get my nails done on the way home. I spent the next week in pain and hiding from my parents.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)I hope to God none of you ever face a decision like that.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Hopefully it will convince some folks that the choice should ALWAYS be that between the parties involved, and that government should just stay out of these decisions. They are difficult enough.
Jed28
(59 posts)My mother was advised by our family doctor to terminate a pregnancy because of the complications she experienced with a previous pregnancy. I remember a meeting in our home with my mother, my father and our parish priest. There weren't any politicians present. Ultimately, she decided to go forward with the pregnancy and thankfully everything work out.
My heart goes out to you for the difficult decision you and your husband had to make. It isn't an easy decision.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)I am shocked at how narrow and unempathetic their view on this issue is.
The Traveler
(5,632 posts)And I really, really appreciate your closing expression of hope. I think it self evident that is just one of the harder, sadder human experiences. Like you, I don't understand why some people feel compelled to make it even harder. The phrase "banality of evil" comes to mind. Maybe they're evil.
Bright blessings, and thanks for sharing your experience and strength with us.
Trav
Tab
(11,093 posts)You didn't give a lot of details, but I know that when my first wife and I were expecting, we didn't hear the heartbeat at 12 to 14 weeks. It could have happened later, much later, given some of the stories I'm reading in this thread. But the loss was tangible. I had just assumed ('cause I was young and inexperienced) that a miscarriage was just something that happened, and obviously the fetus wasn't viable. I wasn't prepared for the depth of grief I experienced, and that was for quite some time.
Thank you for posting. It's a topic a lot of people don't want to wade into, but it needs to be discussed.
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Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)make me vomit.
If you read her post closely you would have seen this was done in consultation with her doctor and she was looking at a pregnancy that had the potential to kill her if she took it to full term.
Tough shit that you have a problem with a woman who chose her life over a fetus.
Mariana
(14,951 posts)Where do these people get the idea that women have late term abortions done on a whim? It's people like that who support total bans on late term abortion. You must carry that fetus to term even if it's likely to permanently harm you or kill you, even if it has zero chance of surviving after birth, hell, even if it's already dead and rotting inside you. No late term abortions ever for any reason.
Fuck that.
madinmaryland
(65,120 posts)So these religious zealots wanted to take my wife and my daughter's mother away just because they don't want a "dead" fetus killed?
You're right. FUCK THAT!
You can read further down about our situation. We were fortunate to be living in CT, but it still had to be done at a hospital that took on more difficult cases. BTW, she is fine, though we never did have another child (or really attempt) after that one.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)dating guys is tough enough; someone gets rough with you and you're on your own as far as law enforcement is concerned.
those MGTOWs make me laugh, it's women who have no real stake in the status quo.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Also people who think a fetus is a baby or a child. It is not. It is a fetus. (Just like an infant is not a toddler)
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)If ever an 0-7 HIDE was merited, that was it.
Iggo
(48,195 posts)Not for long, I hope.
Bayard
(24,012 posts)Repugs fight like hell for the fetus, but once its born, they want no part of caring for it......healthcare, education, anything.
Hugs to you KentuckyWoman from another KY woman.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)
..and tell her how angry we are for her backing the less-choice candidate.
But at least Richard's daughter has a great job with the Clintons. Everything is so corrupt.
Thank you for sharing your story.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)Everyone should butt out of these gut-wrenching decisions.
Bernie2016 Pro-choice, Pro-privacy, Pro-respect
madinmaryland
(65,120 posts)My wife, while not as far along as you were, was told by her doctor that there were dangers by carrying the pregnancy to term. Women MUST have that choice to make medical decision based on all of the information they are given by medical professionals and NOT religious nut jobs who do not understand medicine.
It was a very difficult decision for her (and me), but it was HER decision. I supported her all the way. We also knew that if it did become life threatening, our daughter might lose her mother at a very young age.
There are so many variations on this that it really pisses me off when families and women, in particular, are not being allowed to make medical decisions without the interference of religious nut jobs.
KentuckyWoman
(6,846 posts)Many of you have added similar stories to the thread, which is what I hoped for. Whatever else happens in the future this thread will stand as a testament.
Thank you.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The fucking rationalizations people make to be in charge of the decisions others make.. Dont they have enough on their plate running their own lives?
Its not my place to make that call because its not my body. I dont know better than you what factors went into your decision.
But no, the control freaks need to be in charge of of everyone else. Its even worse when they claim to be progressive.
easttexaslefty
(1,554 posts)I was in a horrible marriage, 22, had two young son's & got pregnant with an iud.
Hugs.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)Courageous lady. Thank you for sharing such an emotional story.
I am very much for a woman's right to choice. In my honest opinion people who are "pro life / anti-abortion" are some of the most self serving people I have ever met. I certainly have not met all the people who feel that way but the ones I have met and discussed this with strike me as being that type of person.
The reason I say they are self serving is because it costs nothing to have an anti-abortion position. They maybe spent a little bit of time protesting at a clinic or "defending" the defenseless (as they like to put it) but that is as far as they go. The process of doing this does nothing but boost their ego and make them feel morally superior to others which is self serving to their own feelings/emotions.
None that I have had this debate with has ever invested real time or money in a boys or girls club as a big brother or big sister or spent time with children in foster or state care or even children's hospital. Most do not even know what The Shriners organization is or what it does.
As person who grew up in foster care and needed multiple surgeries as child due to bad choices my mother made when she was pregnant I do donate time and money. I always ask when having this debate with a person who is anti abortion to come with me on a Saturday or Sunday for a couple hours just to go and spent time with children starting out life in a very rough way and let them know that they are not alone in this world, that people do care about them and in the process maybe bring a smile or two to a child's face but none ever do. I really have no respect for a person who will tell a woman what to do with their baby but disappear once the child is born. As I said I have not met all anti abortion people but the ones I have met are what I describe above.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)from grammar/high school who is much like that. She is so extreme that she is against abortion even in the case of the mother's life. We got into a discussion about how abortion rates could be brought down, and I sited studies that talk about availability of birth control and solid sex education being two things that are proven to reduce unplanned pregnancies and subsequent abortions. Her response, of course, was that she is 100% against birth control and that she is also against any sex education but abstinence. And of course, she was adamantly against having any of her tax dollars go to PP and wants cuts to "welfare" and recipients tested.
I reminded her how well no birth control and abstinence went at our Catholic school, where we had several girls get pregnant and have babies, other girls get pregnant and have abortions (including one of our closest friends), and how she herself (along with half our class) was sexually active despite being taught she was sinning against God for doing so.
A perfect example of the type of person who is against abortion but completely unwilling to do the things that actually reduce abortions or help pay for the aftermath of an unplanned pregnancy.
KentuckyWoman
(6,846 posts)I'm not saying there aren't any, just that I've not met any. The mental gymnastics required to justify born again doctrine are so massive that I can understand why it twists a person into knots.
When a born again type pontificates to me on pretty much anything I tend to just let it bounce right on through because I've learned from experience their judgement simply cannot be trusted.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)And, some of us know too well how painful medical decisions may take us down that road. NO ONE ELSE DOES.
They have NO RIGHT to make decisions about women's bodies and rule our lives with those kind of decisions. The hell isn't bad enough, but to endure the decisions born out of draconian laws over our bodies.
Thank you for bringing it up. This must END.