In GOP debate tonight Trump wants to do away with H1B visas.

[valerief]

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> Love it! Trump is saying we shouldn't be allowed to use H1B visas!!!! nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511465727
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> Reason: I posted what Trump is saying in the live debate tonight. That's a primary issue.
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[Xipe Totec]

1. So much for that big beautiful door in that great big wall. nt

[valerief]

2. Yeah. Once the site is infested with these termites, they eat the whole structure. nt

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

3. Termites????? Over half of all H-1B legal immigrants end

up becoming permanent residents and then U.S. citizens.

I find that using the term 'termites' to refer to highly educated and highly skilled professionals coming to the U.S. legally is highly offensive as an immigrant myself and as one who works in the immigration field.

Not all H-1B workers are taken advantage of; not all 'steal' jobs; most are highly paid and truly qualified. In fact, many are not even in IT positions. They can be teachers, architects, researchers, engineers, scientists and even fashion models.

The H-1B visa is not perfect but it sure beats the L-1B visa.

To demonize legal immigrants who happen to be H-1B workers, however, is very unbecoming of Democrats or even Republicans or even human beings.

Apparently, it's ok to come to the U.S. without a visa or entering without inspection. When you come to the U.S. with a visa and with inspection, you become a 'termite.'

Yet, at the debate last night no one bothered to challenge the lady from Guatemala and her story that her husband was deported for not having a license. Anyone who knows how deportations work knows full well that her husband likely got deported for a lot more than not having a driver's license. He probably didn't have insurance, his vehicle was not registered, he may have had a DUI or more and who knows what else. Yet, that's ok and in fact cited as an example of the cruelty of deportations.

FWIW, President Obama does indeed deport people in greater numbers than his predecessors - so-called 'criminal aliens.' These are people who have committed crimes. The resources just aren't there to deport non-criminals.

:smh:

[valerief]

4. site. site. site. site. site. site. site.

welcome to my forever ignored club

[joshcryer]

13. It's an appeal to emotion in both cases.

Only there's little compassion for some IT person coming here and undercutting wages. For the same reason people buy tomatoes picked by Mexicans and yet disparage them at every chance.

Disconnect, lack of empathy, caring, etc.

Of course, Trump is appealing to a nationalist tendency.

[valerief]

6. BTW, I misread your post. You mean Trump's wall. I was thinking you meant this site. nt

[Xipe Totec]

7. No worries, I go off half-cocked often enough that I give my fellow DUers wide latitude.

Peace, and thanks for clarifying.

[valerief]

8. Thanks. I've calmed down. I usually shrug stuff off here.

I think another pro-H1B poster got to me and I took it out on others. Sorry.

[Xipe Totec]

11. It's a complex issue. We have people on both sides of the question

Whether there should be paths to citizenship for highly trained professionals, or not.

Or whether there should be any legal path to citizenship for people born in other countries.

I get it. We're worried.

But we should be honest on the issue. How can we condemn people for coming to the US illegally, while at the same time closing all legal paths to immigration.

[valerief]

12. I worked in a huge corporation that laid off IT workers and replaced them

with H1Bs since the 90s. And oftentimes the work went downhill, so it's not like the laid-off American IT workers were less qualified than the H1B workers. (I'm also not saying the H1Bs were always less qualified than the American IT workers.) Then the H1Bs get further trained and bring ALL the jobs to India. Or China. It's done over and over and over, and Rubio saying that it doesn't happen is one big fat lie. It's standard.

It's this steady laying off of American IT workers that's not supposed to be allowed but is SOP that gets my goat.

[LittleBlue]

5. He's saying this to cause schisms within our party.

My greatest fear has always been a Republican who tries to appear pro-labor. This is going to be painful, I feel.

[valerief]

9. Good point. I'm not getting Trump Fever, that's for sure. I trust NO GOP candidate

and never will.

[LittleBlue]

10. Same for me. Would rather die than cast a vote for that party

The problem is, when people get desperate they'll believe anything. And a lot of people in this country are desperate.