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I just want to say, this has nothing to do with the Primaries. This is why it is in General Discussion. This is about a completely unrelated statement made by Hillary Clinton today about Nancy Reagan and AIDS. It is important to make the record of Nancy Reagan and the Reagan administration absolutely clear.
Earlier today, Hillary made a statement about Nancy Reagan praising her for her AIDS advocacy. Here is how it was reported by Vox:
Clinton described Reagan's role as "very effective low-key advocacy" and "something that I really appreciated."
Obviously, the Human Rights Campaign, which has endorsed Clinton, had to quickly come out with a public statement condemning the remarks. (Otherwise, there would have been a revolt against them from within the LGBTQ Community--where they are already disliked among grassroots activists.) Chad Griffin sent out the following tweet: "While I respect her advocacy on issues like stem cell & Parkinson's research, Nancy Reagan was, sadly, no hero in the fight against HIV/AIDS."
Clinton shortly thereafter (wisely) retracted her remarks by stating, "While the Reagans were strong advocates for stem cell research and finding a cure for Alzheimer's disease, I misspoke about their record on HIV and AIDS. For that, I'm sorry."
This apology does not go far enough. I think the fact that anyone could utter those words about the Reagans speak to the straight communities blindness to what actually happened. So, that is what this post is really about. It's about setting the record straight, specifically as it relates to Nancy Reagan.
So, to begin setting the record straight, I want everyone to recall the public panic surrounding Ebola. I want you to keep the fear and panic that swept across the country, to the attention that it got in the media, and the reaction in the general public. Then I want you to remember how little danger we actually faced as a result of the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.
Now, I want you to watch this video. It shows how the Reagan Administration and the press responded to the outbreak of AIDS. As you watch the video continue to hold the Ebola situation in your mind.
Now, that you have watched this video, here are snippets from an article that discusses Nancy Reagan's response to the AIDS Crisis.
The first lady notoriously had enormous sway over her husband, and could have intervened if she wished. She infamously tried to champion another epidemic of the era, drugs, with the overly simplified and ultimately harmful "Just Say No" campaign. It failed due to ignoring the roots of the cause and not understanding that addiction is a disease, not a choice. [The Guardian] writes, "Much like abstinence-based sex education... 'Just Say No' spread fear and ignorance instead of information." Like HIV/AIDS, the White House failed to properly educate itself, and as a result, let down its most vulnerable citizens in another spectacular way.
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"On a personal level, she was someone who was not against gay people," Richard Socarides, a former White House adviser for President Bill Clinton, told the Associated Press about Nancy Reagan. "But when the country needed leadership, President Reagan was not there, and his wife who was able to do more was not willing to step up. It reflects rather harshly on both of them."
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Taylor, one of the most famous actresses in the world at the time, knew that the way to White House recognition was through Nancy. Vanity Fair described the first ladys reception to Taylors request as frosty, but within two years of Hudsons death, Ronald Reagan was at the AmfAR Award Dinner.
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Despite the offensive speech, the White House had finally acknowledged AIDS, urged by the celebrities, rather than the ordinary citizens, suffering from the epidemic. "If you can personalize an issue, either because of a tragedy like Rock Hudson or in some other way, Ron Reagan, the couples son, said in an interview with PBS.. That was the way you got to [Ronald Reagan,] and she was well aware of that. She would always try to put a human face on something to him.
In short Nancy Reagan deliberately stood in the way to avoid having her husband entangled with the AIDS Crisis. Why? She didn't want a scandal. It took the death of Rock Hudson, a close personal friend of the family, and public and private pressure from people in Hollywood--people like Elizabeth Taylor--to finally even get the Reagans to acknowledge the existence of AIDS publicly. Keep in mind that the Reagans were deeply connected socially with the Hollywood elite. Meanwhile tens of thousands died while the Reagan White House treated it as a joke.
What was it like for ordinary people suffering from AIDS? Here is an article dealing with one such story:
...Now a grandmother living a quiet life in Rogers, in the mid-1980s Burks took it as a calling to care for people with AIDS at the dawn of the epidemic, when survival from diagnosis to death was sometimes measured in weeks. For about a decade, between 1984 and the mid-1990s and before better HIV drugs and more enlightened medical care for AIDS patients effectively rendered her obsolete, Burks cared for hundreds of dying people, many of them gay men who had been abandoned by their families. She had no medical training, but she took them to their appointments, picked up their medications, helped them fill out forms for assistance, and talked them through their despair. Sometimes she paid for their cremations. She buried over three dozen of them with her own two hands, after their families refused to claim their bodies. For many of those people, she is now the only person who knows the location of their graves.
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Her son was a sinner, the woman told Burks. She didn't know what was wrong with him and didn't care. She wouldn't come, as he was already dead to her as far as she was concerned. She said she wouldn't even claim his body when he died. It was a hymn Burks would hear again and again over the next decade: sure judgment and yawning hellfire, abandonment on a platter of scripture. Burks estimates she worked with more than a thousand people dying of AIDS over the course of the years. Of those, she said, only a handful of families didn't turn their backs on their loved ones. Whether that was because of religious conviction or fear of the virus, Burks still doesn't know.
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Burks' stories from that time border on nightmarish, with her watching one person after another waste away before her eyes. She would sometimes go to three funerals a day in the early years, including the funerals of many people she'd befriended while fighting the disease. Many of her memories seem to have blurred together into a kind of terrible shade. Others are told with perfect, minute clarity.
I encourage you to read this last article, if you don't read anything else. This is the true history of the AIDS Crisis in this country and the reaction to it. This is why there was such a strong reaction to Hillary Clinton's statement about Nancy Reagan, and this is why Chad Griffin had to come out so quickly to counter those remarks, despite the endorsement given.
Here is how many LGBTQ people, especially of my generation who were children at the time, think about this aspect of our history:
Once again, this has nothing to do with the Primaries. So, please do not derail this thread with Primary nonsense. This is about the legacy of Nancy Reagan, and why Clinton's statement regarding that legacy was inaccurate as well as why she had to ultimately retract it and give an apology. This is to educate the straight members of DU on that legacy and how it is seen from the perspective of most knowledgeable people within the LGBTQ community.
JEB
(4,748 posts)Meldread
(4,213 posts)It was the entire nation. Listen to the first video, and you can hear how the press was reacting to questions regarding AIDS. This was the reaction of the media. Read the last quoted article. That was how AIDS Victims were treated.
When I was growing up, people around me were literally praying for gay people to get AIDS and die. That is the world that I grew up in, and those experiences had a profound impact on my entry and involvement in politics and activism.
I don't think many straight people really understand this situation from the perspective of the LGBTQ community. The problem isn't just the comments regarding Nancy Reagan. It's the entire way the past history is viewed of the AIDS Crisis itself. It often feels like the straight community has collective amnesia about this time in our history. Hillary Clinton just demonstrated it, but she isn't alone.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)I remember those years. It was horrifying. Reagan's reaction to the HIV/AIDS crisis over the years was to laugh it off. It was only gay people, so no worries, right? Then it was drug users sharing needles, but who cared about that? It wasn't until the realization came that "ordinary" people could get infected that anything began to be done.
Disgusting. I was still in the USAF when we first started hearing about AIDS. I spent my twenties into my early thirties watching as people died horrible deaths, and it seemed no one cared. Years were wasted because our leaders didn't care.
I knew many gay people, and the fear in their eyes made me cry. The Reagans' actions were directly responsible for that, and to see people on this forum post about Nancy as if she were somehow not connected with all of that was sickening. Yeah. They loved each other, but even their own children were on their own.
Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)In the grand scheme of life, this is but a blip. There are few people my age, who are also GLB, who will never forget nor forgive the reaction from the Regan administration in regards to AIDS and HIV.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)I feel sorry for her in a way that she would make up this narrative because it means, in reality, her circles are not totally in tune with LGBT. Everyone knows Regan's administration dropped the ball on HIV-AIDS. Imagine... had they actually done something. How many live would've been saved.
Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)Thanks.
Honestly, I don't think most politicians, even some of the gay ones, really understand the GBLT story. Too many people are now sitting on their laurels after the marriage equality SC win. Look at the backlash that is taking place. There was a piece on VICE tonight that discussed this very issue. It is also the fact GLBT are still discriminated against in housing, employment, medical decisions, and the list goes on, yet we don't hear anything, but a few "clips" every now and again from our side.
A minor quibble: Regan's administration didn't drop the ball on HIV/AIDS, they never even showed up to the game!
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)I took her at her word that she was "listening." She has done so many damn roundtables. And yet. This happens. This should not have happened. She could've been nice about Nancy (I don't fault her for speaking nicely about a recently dead person, I would expect and applaud that) without making up something in her head.
I refuse to say it was some other thing in her thinking abilities (like so many might suggest), so I think she just did that whole political narrative / assumption thing. It's sad and unfortunate. And I feel for all those hurt by her comments. I disavow the original statements and stand with LGBT.
You know why it's disappointing to me? Because Clinton marched with LGBT and was one of the first to "touch" LGBT during the HIV-AIDS crisis. She was literally the first First Lady to "touch" an "HIV-AIDS" infected person, publicly. Back then, that was a big fucking deal. I was only a teenager. I saw it as amazing. Now sure, she was probably instructed by her science people it was safe, but she did it.
She literally, imo, reversed all that goodwill by making this statement. She needs to really apologize from the overall statement and say she was just assuming. I think she won't do it, but she should.
Meldread
(4,213 posts)I was just glad that she said "I'm sorry" and didn't give the typical boiler plate politician response, which always seems to start along the lines of, "I apologize to anyone I have unintentionally offended..."
Yes, my bar really is that low.
However, I agree with the sentiment that a twitter apology is not enough. She needs to step out before the cameras, give an unequivocal apology, make clear the record of the Reagan White House, talk about how it directly resulted in tens of thousands of deaths, talk about the bigotry levied against us, and the gleeful way most Americans watched us die. Then she should discuss what she intends to do about HIV and AIDS if she should become President. She should at least make some tangible commitments over this that we can hold her too.
Honestly, my feeling is that she had a stupid straight person moment. The LGBTQ Community and the Straight Community really live in different worlds, especially at that time, and over this issue. While many straight people may have lost a relative or two as a result of AIDS, many in the community at the time lost scores and scores of people as the plague swept through the community. They then had to watch as the world not only turned a blind eye to what was happening, but when they decided to take a moment to look--it was to mock and laugh at those suffering while cheering on the plague to spread.
I was too young to really understand what was going on in the beginning. I never knew anyone who died from AIDS. However, as I was growing up I witnessed people--again and again--praying for people like myself to get AIDS and die. I spent my entire teenage years believing that I had no future. I used to live in terror of what would happen (not IF but WHEN) I caught HIV and other people found out. Being in the closet made it worse, because it meant that if people found out, then they'd also know that I was gay. I used to plan for the ways that I would kill myself if I got AIDS, to keep everything a secret. That is how I spent my teenage years. It was made worse that I was raised as a religious fundamentalist and lacked access to knowledge and resources.
I don't think most straight people really understand how serious this issue is for the community. This goes beyond a Hillary Clinton problem. Not acknowledging what happened to the community during the 1980's is tantamount to denying the Holocaust, and really that is more-or-less what we just witnessed. However, this goes beyond Clinton. It highlights a huge divide between the LGBTQ and Straight Communities in how we experienced the world and the issue. Quite frankly, they simply don't get it. That was the reason I made this thread.
EDITED TO ADD: I updated my original post to clarify and reflect my feelings on the matter. I didn't mean to insinuate that simply making a statement on twitter was a sufficient apology.
Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)I just commented above about the number of people, including GLBT, who are resting on their laurels in regards to the civil rights of LGBT people. Even our own party, this site, do not show us respect or even dignity, except when they want something from us.
I lost a few people to AIDS (found out about one by viewing the AIDS quilt). Like you, I was worried about WHEN not IF, and somehow, it never happened! Dumb luck? The process of coming out was hard enough, but with HIV and AIDS, it made the process so much more difficult. Even today, it still ravages our community and the stigma is still lurking in the minds of people (ever get the flu and people ask, in a hushed tone, "are you sick?" as if we can't get the fucking flu!). When I was 25, I was having horrible back pains. I went to the doctor to see what was wrong. Without even confirming I was gay, the internist assumed I was, and the first fucking question...the VERY first question...Do you have HIV? After calling him everything but a white man, I stormed out of the hospital, lit up a cigarette and told the security guard, "Either shoot me or get the fuck out of my way!" He moved. Turns out, I had an inflamed nerve and it was pushing my vertebrae, basically, I almost slipped a disc because how I was treated by the medical establishment because I was gay.
The only apology I would even find useful would be her saying their record was abysmal and her comment was nothing but ignorance. It won't happen. But, as I said, this isn't the be all end all of anti-GLBT bigotry; it is a blip. Personally, I am just as offended by some of the things I am hearing about LGBT/AIDS/HIV Clinton supporters. Some people are so offended for the GLBT community by Clinton's remarks, they now feel emboldened to insult GLBT people. It is a definite
moment in my book.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)That a President and his First Lady in the 80s ignored the HIV-AIDS crisis was clearly unbelievable. She wrote a script mid-sentence and it turned out to be completely and utterly false.
I personally think this is why politicians are screwy. They make up whatever thing they can on the spot. John Kerry famously accepted a question about WTC 7 forcefully demolished in a Q&A which is used by "9/11 truthers" to this day. I won't link the video (the sources are 9/11 truthers but the video exists, search "WTC 7 john kerry"
, but in the Q&A someone asked him about a something a firefighter said saying they "pulled that building" (which actually meant that they pulled their crew from the building and abandoned operations). Kerry said "I think they made a decision ... that they did it in a controlled fashion." He was off the cuff, assuming it was a reasonable thing to do, and went ahead and accepted the guys question at face value.
Clinton's "making up the narrative in real time" thing is truly horrible though, because it presumes absolutely no knowledge of the Regan administration as it relates to the LGBT community whatsoever. It shows how completely out of touch she is to have thought that up or have invented it out of nowhere. This is a huge huge deal, a huge deal within LGBT communities, and within the left as a whole, how the Regan administration basically wrote off the HIV-AIDS epidemic wholesale, did nothing about it, absolutely nothing.
With that said, I do think she mispoke. I do think she was ignorant of those times (she was with Bill in Arkansas, and probably doesn't have many liberals in her circles who discuss this issue rarely if at all). I do think she made a error inventing a narrative from thin air that was the exact opposite of reality.
I think for her to truly recover from this, after Nancy's death is out of the news for awhile, she brings this back up, and admits her folly. Admits that Regan didn't do anything for LGBT particularly HIV patients (back then "AIDS" was "synonymous" with HIV as far as I recall, I was a kid but I still remember how merely touching other kids was considered wrong).
This apology simply doesn't go far enough. I'll await the future clarification. Hopefully she does it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)a full and truthful statement about the negligent and deadly Reagan bigotry.
If this Party wants LGBT support, it needs to do more than pander and mutter phrases. Clearly Sec Clinton is not well informed on the single largest public health crisis of her times. This is stunning to me. I still can't believe she said what she said.
During Reagan I was in my 20's, in Los Angeles and New York and in London. In the entertainment business which was hit very hard, in the LGBT community and I could make a long list of people lost and some of the people I lost were already world changing forces. Cut down in their primes. Silenced. The chain was broken.
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