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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy son, who hates talking about politics sent me this email
I dont think Trump is necessarily the problem.
Hes just a leading political figure who is finally saying out loud what his supporters were already thinking anyway. He is capitalizing on the problem, but hes not the source.
The source, I feel, is an ugly truth that has been bubbling under the surface for a long time; a truth that we now must confront. That truth would have shown itself sooner or later. If not Trump, it would be somebody else.
That undeniable truth is, go figure, a whole lot of Americans are hateful, violent people.
All Trump did was light a match in a room that was already drenched in gasoline.
I'm glad he's a voter, and a progressive. He's just too sane not to be.
drray23
(8,806 posts)That is what I have concluded as well. Your son is wise.
Unfortunately I still meet so many people who refuse to admit that because they cling to this notion of american exceptionalism, that we can do no wrong.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)The White Racist is one of the nations biggest problems.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Yes, Obama being elected is a huge factor in the Trump atmosphere. I think it's why it's so out in the open..... perhaps that last flailing around and screaming before death.
But racists of any color are a problem.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Yes, they are. It's the white racists, though, that seem to be causing most of the friction between the races in this country.
Renew Deal
(85,265 posts)An alternative isn't winning because Trump represents the voters.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)bhikkhu
(10,789 posts)...wired into the brain, everyone feels them, everyone is capable of them. Culture is the fundamental thing we use growing up to learn how to be and act and think in society. The culture I grew up in treated public expression of hatred as shameful, and public violence as criminal.
The danger would be that the Trump phenomenon, covered so extensively by national media, could tweak our culture toward accepting hatred and violence (as long as it is exercised for "the good of the country as interpreted by the Leader"
as normal, even encouraged. That is precisely the message Trump delivers during his rallies, and there's not much distance from that to Mussolini-style facism.
longship
(40,416 posts)You should be proud of him, as you undoubtedly are.
mercuryblues
(16,470 posts)concise statement
Trump only pulled the white sheet off from the republican party.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Duppers
(28,469 posts)Posted earlier today: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7680374
He's just giving them permission to take the sheets off.
dpatbrown
(368 posts)Come November, we will know just how many mean people we have in this country. We will see.
Nickel79
(81 posts)Fortunately, I think they're a far smaller group than they believe themselves to be. I think (and hope) Trump is going to lose BIG, and I hope some conservatives who are decent people will decide they can't vote for that monster.
zentrum
(9,870 posts)
.until we have truth and reconciliation type "trials" or events, and start owning up to our brutal history.
Ask your son to go see the new Michael Moore movie, "Where to Invade Next" if he wants to see how post-war Germans dealt with and atoned for their history of racism, and violence. There are also fascinating segments about how various Europeans are stunned by how little we all take care of each other in all kinds of waysincluding how we feed our children in school. They cannot understand it.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)My son does not generally go to any movies, with an occasional exception, and he refuses to watch any TV. He get's all his information the way I get most of mine - via the internet.
If there were no internet, it would be pretty much impossible to change anything. Too many people, with no alternative, would become totally brainwashed to continue support of the Elite People ant their own expense. Let's hope we never lose our access to it!
zentrum
(9,870 posts)nice son.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Nickel79
(81 posts)And I'm glad he's on our team!
indivisibleman
(482 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Trump is the embodiment of Jerry Springer/Celebrity Reality Shows and Every Hate Broadcaster who has been out there working for the RW Sources for so long that they control probably 3/4 of American Radio and MSM.
It is Time for this to Be Exposed. "The Donald" let it All Out!
NOW...What are we going to do about it as "Concerned Citizens" who've had ENOUGH!
Vote for:
KT2000
(22,177 posts)I have already noticed people asking each other if they support Trump as a way of vetting people - as in "who are you really?" Our social behavior is adjusting to this new reality.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Duppers
(28,469 posts)You have to be a proud parent.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)America has tens of millions of stupid, gullible people.
Locrian
(4,523 posts)Decades of propaganda (southern strategy, etc) are combining with shrinking economies. And now people are waking up that the republicans, tea party-ists, etc have played them like a fiddle. And they're getting more and more pissed and lashing out at anything and anyone so they don't have to admit just how screwed they are.
There's a huge shit storm brewing. And it's got the potential to get really ugly really fast.
There are two modes of invading private property; the first, by which the poor plunder the rich... sudden and violent; the second, by which the rich plunder the poor, slow and legal.
John Taylor 1814
colorado_ufo
(6,259 posts)He saved me the trouble of saying it and said it much better.
We, as Americans, need to take a good look at ourselves.
Vinca
(54,149 posts)I don't know how we cure it, though. I think it began with the industry that is right wing hate radio/television and has grown with careful watering from the GOP. Unless the behavior of the hate-for-profit people changes, nothing else will change.
Blue Idaho
(5,500 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I noticed that you were one of those saying you would never, ever vote for Clinton in the general. Is that because you hate her?
superstring1
(29 posts)nm
truehawk2
(4 posts)They have been conditioned to blame themselves for any economic stress they are undergoing.
Also they have had 20 years of uncivil examples such as Cross-Fire and Rush Limbaugh to destroy their sense of
proper conduct of civil discussion to solve problems.
Emotional manipulations are used to make people vote against their interest, and they now realize it, and they are angry, so now they are in jeopardy of being encouraged to take out their anger on scapegoats rather than the designers of their condition.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)I love him, and you all make me feel very happy.
snot
(11,848 posts)by the 1%; bec. that was the easiest way in the short run to gain power over the 99%.
All of us among the 99% respond to the misery we're suffering; this is the response conservatives among us have been taught.
The 1% created a Frankenstein.