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Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:19 PM Mar 2016

My son, who hates talking about politics sent me this email

Disclaimer: It pains me to have to make big statements like this about such a large group of people, but they have shown absolutely no evidence to contradict what I am about to say.

I don’t think Trump is necessarily the problem.

He’s just a leading political figure who is finally saying out loud what his supporters were already thinking anyway. He is capitalizing on the problem, but he’s not the source.

The source, I feel, is an ugly truth that has been bubbling under the surface for a long time; a truth that we now must confront. That truth would have shown itself sooner or later. If not Trump, it would be somebody else.

That undeniable truth is, go figure, a whole lot of Americans are hateful, violent people.

All Trump did was light a match in a room that was already drenched in gasoline.


I'm glad he's a voter, and a progressive. He's just too sane not to be.
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My son, who hates talking about politics sent me this email (Original Post) Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 OP
I agree with his assessment. drray23 Mar 2016 #1
And the sad thing for me is that 99% of them are white. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #4
The White Racist is one of the nations biggest problems. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #8
But racists of any color are a problem. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #33
He's completely correct Renew Deal Mar 2016 #2
Job well done! ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #3
Hatred and violence are two human universals bhikkhu Mar 2016 #5
You raised him well, Elmer. longship Mar 2016 #6
easy mercuryblues Mar 2016 #7
^^^ This ^^^ cantbeserious Mar 2016 #9
Yes! Agreed. Duppers Mar 2016 #19
Sad but true dpatbrown Mar 2016 #10
Exactly what I was thinking Nickel79 Mar 2016 #15
Racism will keep eating this country zentrum Mar 2016 #11
I saw the movie too! It was a great ad for Bernie's policies. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #30
You have a really zentrum Mar 2016 #34
And you are kind. Thank you! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #35
It sounds like you raised a very intelligent young man Nickel79 Mar 2016 #12
Good observation and IMO correct. n/t indivisibleman Mar 2016 #13
"Hate Radio and Limbaugh, Beck and the Rest have been saying what Trump has KoKo Mar 2016 #14
He is right on point - KT2000 Mar 2016 #16
He is just a symptom of the disease. nt awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #17
You raised an intelligent son, Elmer. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #18
Bravo! For your son. Duppers Mar 2016 #20
He is correct tabasco Mar 2016 #21
decades Locrian Mar 2016 #22
Spot on. colorado_ufo Mar 2016 #23
Your son hit the nail on the head. Vinca Mar 2016 #24
Donald Trump 2016 = George Wallace 1968 nt. Blue Idaho Mar 2016 #25
One can only hope his candidacy fizzles like Wallace's. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #27
What a great guy. I know you're proud. Duval Mar 2016 #26
Where do you fit on the spectrum, Elmer? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #28
Pogo's warning: "I've met the enemy & they is us." superstring1 Mar 2016 #29
I disagree. People are tried of quite desperation, and they have switched to loud desperation. truehawk2 Mar 2016 #31
Thank you all for the kind words. Yes, I am very proud! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #32
Impt. distinction: they've been trained to hate and fear snot Mar 2016 #36
Unfortunately, he's right. nt LWolf Mar 2016 #37
Yes, well said. Thank you. oldandhappy Mar 2016 #38

drray23

(8,806 posts)
1. I agree with his assessment.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:25 PM
Mar 2016

That is what I have concluded as well. Your son is wise.
Unfortunately I still meet so many people who refuse to admit that because they cling to this notion of american exceptionalism, that we can do no wrong.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
4. And the sad thing for me is that 99% of them are white.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:43 PM
Mar 2016

The White Racist is one of the nations biggest problems.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
8. The White Racist is one of the nations biggest problems.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:30 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, Obama being elected is a huge factor in the Trump atmosphere. I think it's why it's so out in the open..... perhaps that last flailing around and screaming before death.

But racists of any color are a problem.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
33. But racists of any color are a problem.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:19 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, they are. It's the white racists, though, that seem to be causing most of the friction between the races in this country.

bhikkhu

(10,789 posts)
5. Hatred and violence are two human universals
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:11 PM
Mar 2016

...wired into the brain, everyone feels them, everyone is capable of them. Culture is the fundamental thing we use growing up to learn how to be and act and think in society. The culture I grew up in treated public expression of hatred as shameful, and public violence as criminal.

The danger would be that the Trump phenomenon, covered so extensively by national media, could tweak our culture toward accepting hatred and violence (as long as it is exercised for "the good of the country as interpreted by the Leader&quot as normal, even encouraged. That is precisely the message Trump delivers during his rallies, and there's not much distance from that to Mussolini-style facism.

 

dpatbrown

(368 posts)
10. Sad but true
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:37 PM
Mar 2016

Come November, we will know just how many mean people we have in this country. We will see.

 

Nickel79

(81 posts)
15. Exactly what I was thinking
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:46 PM
Mar 2016

Fortunately, I think they're a far smaller group than they believe themselves to be. I think (and hope) Trump is going to lose BIG, and I hope some conservatives who are decent people will decide they can't vote for that monster.

zentrum

(9,870 posts)
11. Racism will keep eating this country
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:38 PM
Mar 2016

….until we have truth and reconciliation type "trials" or events, and start owning up to our brutal history.

Ask your son to go see the new Michael Moore movie, "Where to Invade Next" if he wants to see how post-war Germans dealt with and atoned for their history of racism, and violence. There are also fascinating segments about how various Europeans are stunned by how little we all take care of each other in all kinds of ways——including how we feed our children in school. They cannot understand it.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
30. I saw the movie too! It was a great ad for Bernie's policies.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:58 PM
Mar 2016

My son does not generally go to any movies, with an occasional exception, and he refuses to watch any TV. He get's all his information the way I get most of mine - via the internet.

If there were no internet, it would be pretty much impossible to change anything. Too many people, with no alternative, would become totally brainwashed to continue support of the Elite People ant their own expense. Let's hope we never lose our access to it!

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
14. "Hate Radio and Limbaugh, Beck and the Rest have been saying what Trump has
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:45 PM
Mar 2016
For Years! And, with our FCC Allowing this to happen!

Trump is the embodiment of Jerry Springer/Celebrity Reality Shows and Every Hate Broadcaster who has been out there working for the RW Sources for so long that they control probably 3/4 of American Radio and MSM.

It is Time for this to Be Exposed. "The Donald" let it All Out!

NOW...What are we going to do about it as "Concerned Citizens" who've had ENOUGH!

Vote for:

KT2000

(22,177 posts)
16. He is right on point -
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:47 PM
Mar 2016

I have already noticed people asking each other if they support Trump as a way of vetting people - as in "who are you really?" Our social behavior is adjusting to this new reality.

Locrian

(4,523 posts)
22. decades
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:28 PM
Mar 2016

Decades of propaganda (southern strategy, etc) are combining with shrinking economies. And now people are waking up that the republicans, tea party-ists, etc have played them like a fiddle. And they're getting more and more pissed and lashing out at anything and anyone so they don't have to admit just how screwed they are.

There's a huge shit storm brewing. And it's got the potential to get really ugly really fast.

There are two modes of invading private property; the first, by which the poor plunder the rich... sudden and violent; the second, by which the rich plunder the poor, slow and legal.

John Taylor 1814

colorado_ufo

(6,259 posts)
23. Spot on.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:31 PM
Mar 2016

He saved me the trouble of saying it and said it much better.

We, as Americans, need to take a good look at ourselves.

Vinca

(54,149 posts)
24. Your son hit the nail on the head.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:37 PM
Mar 2016

I don't know how we cure it, though. I think it began with the industry that is right wing hate radio/television and has grown with careful watering from the GOP. Unless the behavior of the hate-for-profit people changes, nothing else will change.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
28. Where do you fit on the spectrum, Elmer?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:45 PM
Mar 2016

I noticed that you were one of those saying you would never, ever vote for Clinton in the general. Is that because you hate her?

truehawk2

(4 posts)
31. I disagree. People are tried of quite desperation, and they have switched to loud desperation.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:59 PM
Mar 2016

They have been conditioned to blame themselves for any economic stress they are undergoing.
Also they have had 20 years of uncivil examples such as Cross-Fire and Rush Limbaugh to destroy their sense of
proper conduct of civil discussion to solve problems.
Emotional manipulations are used to make people vote against their interest, and they now realize it, and they are angry, so now they are in jeopardy of being encouraged to take out their anger on scapegoats rather than the designers of their condition.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
32. Thank you all for the kind words. Yes, I am very proud!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

I love him, and you all make me feel very happy.

snot

(11,848 posts)
36. Impt. distinction: they've been trained to hate and fear
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:10 AM
Mar 2016

by the 1%; bec. that was the easiest way in the short run to gain power over the 99%.

All of us among the 99% respond to the misery we're suffering; this is the response conservatives among us have been taught.

The 1% created a Frankenstein.

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