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malaise

(296,017 posts)
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:35 AM Mar 2016

Guardian - The macabre truth of gun control in the US is that toddlers kill more people

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toddlers kill more people than terrorists do
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/13/the-macabre-truth-of-gun-control-in-the-us-is-that-toddlers-kill-more-people-than-terrorists-do
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This week, in my country, considered by some of its more embarrassing denizens to be the “greatest country in the world”, an outspoken Florida “gun rights” advocate left a loaded .45 calibre handgun in the back seat of her car and was promptly shot and wounded by her four-year-old child. Truly a pinnacle of human potential, much like the invention of paper in second-century BC China, or Aristotle holding forth in the Lyceum, or whoever first pointed out that Florida looks like America’s penis.

What do you say about the outspoken Florida “gun rights” advocate who left a loaded .45 calibre handgun in the back seat of her car and was promptly shot and wounded by her four-year-old child? I take no pleasure in violence and pain. I’m not happy that Jamie Gilt, 31 – who has built a thriving web presence on the argument that guns are not only perfectly safe around kids, but necessary for their protection – left a loaded handgun in reach of her four-year-old son, who then picked it up, aimed it at his mother, and pulled the trigger. I find zero delight in the thought of Gilt’s toddler’s almost certain panic and horror in that moment, nor the guilt he may well carry for the rest of his life (guilt that only his mother deserves). I’m sure being shot in the back really hurts – even more so when it comes with a side of nationwide liberal schadenfreude.

And I’m supposed to believe that frightened Syrian refugees – or whomever becomes the next rightwing scapegoat du jour – are the real threat to my children? I’m supposed to be afraid of sharks? Heavy metal music? Violent video games? Horse meat in my hamburger patties? Teenagers pouring vodka up their butts?

States with more guns have more gun deaths. Keeping a gun in your house increases your chances of accidental death by shooting, but does not make you safer. A woman’s chance of being murdered by an abusive partner increases fivefold if the partner has access to a gun. “Good guys with guns” are a fantasy. How much longer will we keep participating in this great collective lie that deadly weapons keep us safe?

The accidental shooting of Jamie Gilt is the object lesson that my absurd nation deserves. When even supposed gun safety experts cannot keep themselves safe from their own toddlers, we should take that as an unequivocal reminder that guns are inherently dangerous. They are exploding projectile machines designed specifically for killing. And that’s not bleeding-heart hyperbole – it’s the explicit reason why many people are drawn to them. Cowboy games. Vigilante justice. Power.

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Guardian - The macabre truth of gun control in the US is that toddlers kill more people (Original Post) malaise Mar 2016 OP
Wait, vodka up the butt, that's a thing? Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #1
I'll have to ask the youngsters malaise Mar 2016 #3
You've never butt-chugged? Get with the times, grampa... petronius Mar 2016 #5
With an olive no less. Just sayin. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #7
Next we will have the cops doing "breathalyzers" from both ends. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #2
I'm heading to the gun store, got to arm up against the toddler threat! Human101948 Mar 2016 #4
You'll need a tail gunner. Jerry442 Mar 2016 #6
How narrow minded. Toddlers shoot up a few people and immediately some will want rhett o rick Mar 2016 #9
Control toddlers, not gunz!!!!11! Crunchy Frog Mar 2016 #10
From Ms. Gilt's FB page, per Snopes: DirkGently Mar 2016 #11
never a good tottler around when you need one. Javaman Mar 2016 #12
"Florida looks like America's penis" mainer Mar 2016 #13
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
1. Wait, vodka up the butt, that's a thing?
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:43 AM
Mar 2016

malaise

(296,017 posts)
3. I'll have to ask the youngsters
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:46 AM
Mar 2016

I'm beginning to feel really really old

petronius

(26,696 posts)
5. You've never butt-chugged? Get with the times, grampa...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:14 PM
Mar 2016
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. With an olive no less. Just sayin.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:20 PM
Mar 2016
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
8. Next we will have the cops doing "breathalyzers" from both ends. nm
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:22 PM
Mar 2016

Response to malaise (Original post)

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
4. I'm heading to the gun store, got to arm up against the toddler threat!
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016

You can't have too many guns!

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
6. You'll need a tail gunner.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:14 PM
Mar 2016

Have to be prepared in case an enema nozzle loaded with Stoly shows up on your six.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
9. How narrow minded. Toddlers shoot up a few people and immediately some will want
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:25 PM
Mar 2016

to control guns. There are plenty of other solutions. I bet these toddlers didn't have the recommended gun training.


I hope this isn't needed:

Crunchy Frog

(28,278 posts)
10. Control toddlers, not gunz!!!!11!
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:41 PM
Mar 2016

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
11. From Ms. Gilt's FB page, per Snopes:
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:52 PM
Mar 2016


Edit: It appears the FB page is still up. It's just these particular posts that appear to be missing.

https://www.facebook.com/Jamie-Gilt-for-Gun-Sense-135534393505143/



http://www.snopes.com/2016/03/09/jamie-gilt/

Not a cause for laughter or celebration, to be sure. It's fortunate this person wasn't killed. But it would be nice if anyone would recognize that things like this happening aren't just ironic; they are a reality check regarding the idea that saturating the environment with guns makes everyone safer somehow.

This one is particularly disturbing:

"Even my 4 year old gets jacked up to target shoot with the .22."

This would presumably be the 4-year-old who shot his mother with the pistol left in the back seat?



Jesus.

Javaman

(65,704 posts)
12. never a good tottler around when you need one.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:58 PM
Mar 2016

someone had to say it.

mainer

(12,550 posts)
13. "Florida looks like America's penis"
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 01:02 PM
Mar 2016

Now I can't get that image out of my mind.

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