Third Way and how they are deciding the Democratic Candidate for 2016 - (Educational)

[FreakinDJ]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by one_voice (a host of the General Discussion forum).

I'm hearing lots of noise coming out of the political realm Third Way is seeking positions in a possible Hillary administration. Now before Hillary supporters jump to conclusions thinking I'm merely engaging in "Artful Smears" I would much rather hear suggestions and recommendations as to how we as Democratic Voters and supporters could persuade Hillary from NOT allowing that to happen.


Third Way has become the Clinton's Swift-Boat Campaign against Bernie Sanders

Wall Street’s Third Way Absurdly Wrong About Sanders’ Social Security Plan

Third Way is reaching the point of desperation in its quest to cut Social Security and protect its Wall Street, K Street lobbyist, and GOP donors from paying their fair share. As Third Way has become more and more marginalized, its public outpourings have become more and more extreme and, quite frankly, head-scratching.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-altman/wall-streets-third-way-ab_b_9125786.html

Why Bernie Sanders Has Centrist Democrats Freaking Out

Startled by Bernie's success, Bill Daley is leading a Third Way revolt of centrist Democrats against the populist.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/why-bernie-sanders-has-centrist-democrats-freaking-out

They have also attacked Sen. Elizabeth Warren for her progressive views on her "Radical Agenda" of preserving Social Security

Warren On Third Way Criticisms: 'Oh Please'

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) said Thursday that think tank Third Way is "flatly wrong" about the solvency of Social Security.

"We could make modest adjustments and make the system financially stable for a century, and we could make somewhat larger adjustments and make the system pay more for seniors who rely on it," she told the Huffington Post. "The conversation for too long has been about whether to cut Social Security benefits a little bit or a lot. And that is flatly the wrong debate to have in mind."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/warren-responds-to-third-way-attack-defends-social-security-stance

Third Way is determined to Privatize Social Security

Now many here at DU may wish to ignore this, because Hillary's original position on changes to Social Security played nicely into Third Way's ultimate goal of privatizing Social Security. However over the course of the Primary Hillary has modified her positions on Social Security considerably.

My concern would be that she remain committed.

Wall Street Uses the Third Way to Lead Its Assault on Social Security

Third Way, lobbyists for and from Wall Street who are leading the effort to enrich Wall Street by privatizing Social Security, was created by Wall Street to fool some of the people all of the time. I have written previously to expose their fictional claims to be a moderate or liberal Democratic group.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/12778-wall-street-uses-the-third-way-to-lead-its-assault-on-social-security

You can read Third Way's position on Social Security - Don't be too alarmed if you hear a lot of "Paul Ryan" in them.

http://www.thirdway.org/report/its-time-for-a-national-commission-on-social-security



And we as Americans should also be concerned about the Third Way's Globalist views given Neocon's propensity to engage in Wars of Opportunity.

Most troubling, perhaps, is the Third Way’s avowedly internationalist outlook, supporting greater global governance of the world economy. In concrete terms, this includes efforts to promote the stabilization of the movement of financial
capital, especially currency speculation, as well as increased funding for the International Monetary Fund. Alarmingly, the European Union project—continental Europe’s very own socialist Trojan Horse—is described as a pioneering phenomenon. In predictable communitarian fashion, the problem of how to live in a finite world consumes a significant portion of the Third Way’s intellectual resources. Dangerously, both for the competitive market and for the environment, most of the recommended solutions fit under
the disingenuous heading of “sustainable development,” i.e., command-and-control-style environmental economics on a global scale.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/ThirdWay.pdf

To Fellow DUers, I've attempted to present this as informational. I hope folks are not offended and actually take the time to gather information as to "How as WE as Democratic Voters can preserve and defend our votes, our Democratic Candidates, and the 2016 Democratic Platform from being manipulated in the process'


Peace

[Faux pas]

1. Kick!!!

[rhett o rick]

2. We must drive the Third Way out of our party. nm

[FreakinDJ]

3. Education is Key

I don't think any Dem Voters support Third Way policies yet their money and influence continues to seep into Democratic Policies

[Downwinder]

4. Third Way is more of a threat to me than Trump is.

[Downwinder]

25. Ralph Hall was better than Third Way.

[FreakinDJ]

29. I think a lot of voters agree with that

Trump's success in converting Dem voters over is proof

BTW: Third Way Loves them some NAFTA and TPP.

Peterson who I think is the director also founded the "Peterson Economic Institute" who exclusively negotiated the Disastrous Trade Agreement with South Korea


http://www.piie.com/

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

5. I will never vote for any third way candidate.

To do so would be to vote for republican ideals: some if which certain posters here seem to be at ease with.

[FreakinDJ]

7. New Democrat Coalition members

Centrist Dems ready strike against Warren wing

For months, moderate Democrats have kept silent, as Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s (D-Mass.) barbed attacks against Wall Street, income inequality and the “rigged economy” thrilled the base and stirred desire for a more populist approach.

But with the race for the White House set to begin, centrists are moving to seize back the agenda.

The New Democrat Coalition (NDC), a caucus of moderate Democrats in the House, plans to unveil an economic policy platform as soon as this week in an attempt to chart a different course

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/234224-centrist-dems-ready-strike-against-warren-wing

Centrist New Democrats Want Bigger Role in Party's Message

Members of the New Democrat Coalition have struggled for years to make their centrist message heard in the larger, and distinctly more left-leaning, House Democratic Caucus.

The 46 self-described "moderate" and "pro-growth" House members in the coalition say they agree with the rest of their caucus on “90 percent of the issues” — it's the remaining 10 percent that's harder to summarize.


The New Democrat Coalition's “American Prosperity Agenda” highlights policy areas that mainstream Democrats have largely glossed over. The “innovation” platform urges members to talk about ways to ensure the United States “lead[s] in the next great discoveries” and “become[s] the global magnet for the world’s top talent.”

Then there are the areas where members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus — who currently make up the largest demographic of House Democrats — are likely to flat-out balk. The New Democrat Coalition says the party ought to “fix the tax code to create American jobs and help American businesses compete” — or support a tax overhaul that would be friendly to the business community, which progressives increasingly regard with skepticism.


http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/centrist-new-democrats-want-bigger-role-in-partys-message/

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

27. New Democrats = Old Republicans

Equally disgusting.

[bbgrunt]

6. third way is just another name for oligarchy.

[FreakinDJ]

8. Then why are they permeating the Dem Party

[djean111]

10. Because then it is easy to dangle a few social issues and then gut the safety nets. nt

[bbgrunt]

12. they've been doing that since the DLC and Clinton. They want to destroy the idea of democracy

and everything it stands for--especially the notions embedded in The New Deal.

That's the way you destroy and discredit your opposition: infiltration and co-option.

[FreakinDJ]

28. DLC was created to bring the White Middle Class Male Voters back into the party

personally I feel they gave up way too many Democratic principals in the process

[ananda]

30. The current Reep party is too crazy and extreme.

Third Wayers are what moderate Reeps used to be.

It's so sad that they've taken over the power structure
of the Democratic party.

[djean111]

9. Hillary and Bill are their standard-bearers.

To see which elected officials are Third Wayers, see the membership of the New Democrat Coalition.
http://newdemocratcoalition-kind.house.gov/membership

List of DINOs.

Oh, and they tout the TPP BIG time, with a horridly ironic illustration on their home page.
TPP - Made in America! - of course, with the TPP, we will not be allowed to actually put that label on much of anything. because it will be forbidden as not fais, and because very little will actually be made in America. Until, of course, we have to work for fifty cents an hour or whatever.

The Third Way advises the New Democrat Coalition. Congress, governors, mayors. Dinos.

[FreakinDJ]

11. They tout quite a few GOP talking points

[djean111]

13. Oh, you should have seen it before they prettied it up for the campaign season!

Americans for Prosperity (of the Kochs) could have sued them for copying their website pretty much whole. Graphics AND verbiage. It was frightening, honestly.

[denvine]

14. Stop donations to the DNC, DSCC & the DCCC.

Maybe giving to the individual candidates that are not Third Way Candidates. I know our individual donations cannot match those of Wall Street but it does give the real Democratic Candidates a better chance.

Never let up on the pressure to adhere to Real Democratic principles by sending letters, emails, signing petitions and making phone calls. Also supporting groups like Move On and others that push for a progressive agenda.

These are just thoughts right off the cuff. I guess not giving up and making sure that the voices of Bernie Sanders' and Elizabeth Warren's are heard. I truly believe that if most people are educated on the facts rather than the sound bites, they would be with us. How to do that? I wish I knew the answer or had enough money to get the message out there. Even many DU members, who you think would be well informed about these issues, are not.

The best thing we could do to ensure Third Way principles do not become the Democratic Platform would be to nominate Bernie Sanders as our Democratic Candidate! Pure and Simple!

[KPN]

31. Hear Hear!!!! Definitely!!!!!

Several of us have already posted to this effect in other threads and have been already been doing so. I hope there are more tyhan just the few of us who have posted.

Basically, instead of contributing to DNC, etc., contribute directly to Democratic candidates who mirror your democratic principles.

[Nitram]

15. First of all, Bernie Sanders has not been swift-boated.

Comparing anything said about Sanders to what happened to Kerry is offensive in the extreme.

[FreakinDJ]

18. Yes they are calling it "Swift-Boating Sanders" in Washington

So save the indignation I didn't make the equation

Put aside the irony of Clinton dismissing the electoral viability of someone she might lose to. Clinton has inevitable baggage of her own that raises doubts about her electoral prospects. And Clinton’s decision to present herself as the candidate of continuity in a time of change is problematic. In contrast, the positions Sanders champions — Medicare for All, cleaning up politics, curbing Wall Street, a less-interventionist foreign policy, rebuilding the United States, tuition-free college, fair taxes for the rich and corporations — are all extremely popular. Furthermore, Democrats have a natural electoral majority if they turn out. Even the Clinton campaign worries about her ability to rouse the young and people of color as Obama did. In contrast, Sanders has clearly electrified millennials with his message and integrity. A voter using his head rather than his heart might well be conflicted on the question of electability.

So, on the one hand you have Sanders saying that he’s proud that he’s never run a negative ad in his entire political career and that he hopes that he won’t have to in this campaign, and on the other you have him eschewing a Super PAC and large donations that would give him ammunition he might need even he ultimately decided not to use it.

Yes, of course, you can talk about how this principled thinking is a key part of his appeal and a major contributor to why he’s electable. But you can just as plausibly say that it makes him look like a sitting Dukakis when the party has the founder of the War Room sitting right next to him.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2016_01/the_sandersclinton_electabilit059409.php

[Dont call me Shirley]

19. Swift-boating is a political tactic, attacking an opponents strong points. Bernie has been

swiftboated just like Kerry. They have tried to delegitimize, aka swiftboat, Bernie's record on civil rights, his voting record, his exemplary political integrity, etc.

[JDPriestly]

23. Yes. He has. Questioning his civil rights record when he was arrested in the 1960s

for demonstrating against segregation is swift-boating, and we have seen a lot of that right here on DU.

[KPN]

32. Say What????

[Egnever]

16. .

[JDPriestly]

20. I do not trust Hillary with my Social Security. And you shouldn't either.

[FreakinDJ]

24. I'm just asking Hillary supporters if they see anyway to keep Hillary on the track she is now

Sure right now she is saying all the right things - but there is a lot of talk groups such as Third Way and The New Democrat Coalition want a seat at the Hillary table.

[KPN]

34. Did you see Obama do that?

He was and is way left of Hillary. Enough said.

[FreakinDJ]

37. Not sure how to take that - so I'll answer with a question of my own

Did Obama repay Wall St./Third Way by his Treasury Appointments

The point of the thread is not to criticize. I want to know if there are any practical solutions to prevent this from happening

[Dont call me Shirley]

22. Turd Way stinks of Elitism.

[FreakinDJ]

26. Scary bunch indeed

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[PatrynXX]

33. what might have been

if Bernie and Elizabeth ran that would be a major powerhouse. Bernie is purely powered because of Elizabeth Warren. Until it became clear Elizabeth wasn't going to run Bernie took off. Only Feminist running. And I'm sure he'd like to do his own clothes at the white house

[gregcrawford]

35. Third Way DINOs...

... defile every principle that once defined the Democratic Party.

Social Security insolvency is a bald-faced lie. Because the money paid into the system is not technically the government's piggy bank to play with – it's deferred wages held in trust – it is supposed to be a closed system; the Budget Enforcement Act of 1990 forbids the inclusion of Social Security Trust Fund monies in general budget calculations, but every administration since Reagan's, including Clinton's, has robbed it to pay for shortfalls and other programs, and never repaid the "loans." Forcing the government to repay the Fund, and giving the enforcement some real teeth would stop that practice once and for all.

I have ZERO respect for Third Way politicians or their supporters. They are nothing more than Republicans Lite.

[one_voice]

36. Locking...

Doesn't meet SoP for GD. Discussion about Democratic primaries/Democratic primary candidates belong in GDP, please re-post there. Thanks.