Poll: Clinton 38 Trump 36 in....wait for it....

[SharpshooterTom]

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Utah!

Trump clearly is expanding the map as promised....for the democrats....

Clinton 38 Trump 36
Sanders 48 Trump 37

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38970451&nid=960&title=poll-utah-would-vote-for-a-democrat-for-president-over-trump

In a state that hasn't voted for the democrats in over 50 years.

Oh well Trump brags about being able to win New York, I suppose he's got that hasn't he??

[cantbeserious]

1. Bernie Is The Only Antidote To Rampant DNC DWS DLC HRC Third-Way Corporatist Corruption

eom

[tblue37]

21. You should put "eom" or "nt" *in your subject line*. Those initialisms are courtesy warnings

to let readers know not to waste their time opening a message or a post to read the content, because the subject line itself is the complete message ("eom&quot , so there is no text ("nt&quot in the message itself.

[cantbeserious]

23. You Do It Your Way - This Citizen Does It Their Way

eom

[pangaia]

72. Snort.... EOM NT NT EOM EOM NT :>))))

[madokie]

73. As tblue was trying to tell you

The whole purpose of N/T and EOM is exactly as s/he stated.

[tblue37]

87. I am a she. nt

[Chef Eric]

84. You've reminded me of George Costanza defending his double dipping. nt

[SFnomad]

26. They should also preface it with - *spam* in the subject line

As I've seen that post word for word, by that poster, in several threads. Without adding any substance to the thread at all.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027699414#post1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016147929#post1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511536771#post1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511535186#post35
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511536908#post27

[daleanime]

27. So?

[SCantiGOP]

30. So? It's rude

And it wastes people's time. Neither of those bother you?

[cantbeserious]

62. The Tag Line Is The Substance - Nothing More Need Be Said - Than The Truth

eom

[SFnomad]

78. There is your problem

There isn't any real substance there. And you just repeating it over and over again is like the crazy person standing on the sidewalk yelling at everyone passing by, saying the same thing over and over again. After awhile, nobody is hearing what you're saying ... and everyone starts questioning your sanity.

[Helen Borg]

36. Life is very short.

[ladjf]

86. Well, in case one forgot the 'nt' at end of title line, it will only cost the

reader an extra .5 seconds. Not too bad of a wait. Hardly worth worrying about. (Please don't scold me for this post.)

[stupidicus]

93. that's just silly

who reads them one at a time with all the clicking required anyway?

maybe you should click that little "view all" link eh?

[CoffeeCat]

52. I appreciate that you are doing this

It can't be said enough.

It's like a little truth billboard on a highway that is paved with manufactured spin and crazy.

[Duval]

80. Couldn't agree more! nt

[edhopper]

2. Thanks for showing that both Bernie and Hillary

can beat Trump.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

5. I think Hillary could get even a bigger win percentage if Bernie supporters would all

agree to vote for her if they had to.

[Scootaloo]

24. And it'd be even bigger if all the Republcians would just agree with her, too!

[arikara]

28. Maybe if she offered something to the Bernie supporters

besides "no we can't"

[SCantiGOP]

31. Offering a non-Republican White House

Is enough for me.

[FailureToCommunicate]

38. Oh, don't worry, we'll vote for Hillary (in the GE) if we HAVE to...

[edhopper]

42. If that gun is

a symbol for Trump, yes, you will.

[Hiraeth]

44. what difference does it make? dead is dead.

[edhopper]

46. Is that what you get from that?

And I certainly hope you are not equating Hillary with Trump.

[Hiraeth]

47. --

[edhopper]

49. good song

And Vanilla Ice completely ripped it off.

[Hiraeth]

43. the.perfect.image. for what just transpired.

[TheFarS1de]

68. Jury Results

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On Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:31 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Oh, don't worry, we'll vote for Hillary (in the GE) if we HAVE to...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7699773

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I remember this pic when it was used as a National Lampoon cover back in the 70s. It was tasteless then, and is far more tasteless and over-the-top now.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:41 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Violent imagery to build an anti Hillary meme in the minds of Bernie people. No way. That is Trumplike propaganda.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Lots of ad lib responses (perhaps nonchalant), but is totally in keeping as a response in the sub thread. And I do recall the, "subscribe or we shoot this dog", ad at National Lampoon. Does that make me biased?
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While I truly believe people need to get their shit together and vote accordingly in the GE so that Trump doesn't win, people ARE entitled to their opinion. This is how people feel. This is a discussion board. Let's discuss things.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Ramping up the hate does a disservice to Democratic ideology. We should be coming together to fight our common for.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I see since the 70's you still haven't developed a sense of humour .
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[Katashi_itto]

79. Why would we? Either way dead is dead.

[greymouse]

48. that'll be the day

I vote for a venal incompetent weathervane who works for the 1%. I don't see that happening.

[DCBob]

64. I am starting to suspect the Bernie folks are saying they will vote for the GOP candidate.

Just to make Hillary look bad.

[tiredtoo]

66. Sorry Jackie

But it ain't gonna happen. Many of Bernie supporters are green party types and/or independents. They have no interest in supporting the status quo.
The millennials supporting Bernie are also looking for a change and may just stay home. This is not as bad as it sounds many Republicans have said they will stay home if election is between Trump and Hillary.

[pangaia]

74. I think Bernie could get even a bigger win percentage if Hillary supporters would all

agree to vote for him if they had to.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

77. Have seen only tiny handful who say they wont.

[merrily]

89. Geebus. Another broken record for Hillary 2016. If they said it

to the poll taker the poll would have come out exactly the same because that was not a question on the poll.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

91. You do far more harm for Bernie and the whole process than you understand. I dont know

why, but that is a fact.

That you are now putting out a line in the sand that now, for some reason, you wont vote for a corp friendly politician while you have always done only that in the past (other than Bernie and a couple others, they all are).

Fine time to draw that line, what a shame actually.

[merrily]

92. Why be so dishonest. I never said I would not vote for Hillary. Why are making up shat?

[noretreatnosurrender]

6. Well maybe not

The margin of error is 4.38%. Clinton may not defeat Trump with the 38-36. Bernie's numbers are outside the margin of error.

[edhopper]

9. Obama lost by 30% in 08

and 50% in 12 in Utah.

So these numbers show that Hillary would do quite well against Trump.

At some point the Bernie supporters will have to decide what they will do if Hillary is the nominee.

[noretreatnosurrender]

12. We are far from that point

These numbers show Hillary to be within the margin of error, nothing more. If Hillary is the nominee we will make our decisions at that point. Until then, the race goes on and may the best candidate win.

[edhopper]

13. I would have prefered to hear

that the race isn't over, but Bernie supporters here will support whoever wins the nomination.

[noretreatnosurrender]

14. I'm sure you would

but I don't post my comments to pander to anyone. My comment is my comment to make. Your comment is yours to make.

[edhopper]

18. Glad you put the smiley

[noretreatnosurrender]

19. Back at You

[BillZBubb]

85. You'd prefer? Now isn't that special.

[chervilant]

65. Those numbers

suggest that Hi11ary might do "quite well" against Trump. Unfortunately for her, in recent surveys, most voters (better than 60%) find Hi11ary dishonest and give her an "unfavorable" rating.

I don't understand why the kneejerk response is "Hi11ary!" when Bernie polls better against ALL the Republicans.

[thesquanderer]

67. re:"At some point the Bernie supporters will have to decide what they will do if Hillary is the nom"

I think for the most part, Bernie supporters who are Dems will, by and large, vote for Hillary. Bernie supporters who are independent will split the vote in some as yet unknown way... combination of Hillary, Trump, Green, or just staying home.

[Jenny_92808]

71. OR

At some point the Hillary supporters will have to decide what they will do if Bernie is the nominee.

[IMG][/IMG]

[Helen Borg]

40. 38% - 36% is withing margin of error.

Let's not confuse things.

[revbones]

3. Interesting.

Given how Hillary supporters have discredited general election matchup polling that shows Bernie beats all Republican candidates. Has that opinion now changed?

[noretreatnosurrender]

4. Utah

Bernie is doing quite well in Utah. Lots of interesting things happening there with him.

[Rex]

7. If Utah goes blue, the GOP is done for.

Dump, like Dubya really is a uniter! People love to unite against him!

[Legends303]

8. Polls can be wrong

I wouldn't go by polls that has sanders up, if he was really a contender in the gen ed this primary season would be over by now and would have beaten Hilary. This is ridiculous to suggest that Hilary would lose to this clown in the gen. ed.

[noretreatnosurrender]

11. Interesting Things in Utah

I posted in two threads about Utah last night. This is one of them.

I posted a thread earlier tonight where one of the people attending the Bernie rally in Utah had this to say:

"Here's what I know," said Nathan Nelson, a Provo dad. "I will not vote for Trump."

Nelson, who grew up in a conservative family, doesn't support abortion and is actively LDS. But he said he was taught “to love each other and take care of each other,” and he said Sanders’s policies align with those values better than any of the other candidates.


You don't have to triangulate to appeal to people in Red states. There are other ways of finding common ground.

[greymouse]

50. Legends

The primary states are stacked, mostly, although not all, Hillary states then follow on Bernie states. Plus most of the Hillary states vote Republican in the general.

[Hydra]

10. It's only Trump

I'm in Utah, and they are skeptical of Trump's actual desire to do the job...otherwise he would be perfect for the great big red.

[B2G]

15. Well we better hope he gets the nomination then

Because Cruz will trounce them both.

[ejbr]

16. in Utah...right? n/t

[B2G]

20. Yeah, in Utah. nt

[ejbr]

17. If Trump thinks he can win New York,

he is deluding himself.

[Cryptoad]

22. He can't beat HRC

no need to worry about him beating Trump.

[Stinky The Clown]

25. I think in some measure this is due to Drumpf dissing Mittens

But if it spreads to the neighboring Mormon-rich states, it can become a trend.

Electoral votes are electoral votes

[Shoulders of Giants]

29. Seems like Romney attacking Trump is really hurting Trump in Utah.

[greymouse]

51. the way I heard it

Trump's vulgarity is a real turn off to Mormons. They prefer civilized behavior.

[Carlo Marx]

32. It would be helpful if we recalibrate our political brains.

Things have changed since 2008. Congress is now less popular than cockroaches. The media is also stained by the political cesspool it inhabits and serves as gatekeeper for. Trump has been able to stand down Fox "News" while beating them with their own stick; the media can't refuse the ratings bonanza even though they're hysterically trying to slay their Frankenstein creation. Hillary is only slightly less repulsive than Trump to voters and has become the ultimate proselytizer of fear and lesser evilism. Also, to those not willing to perform the verbal cleansing and dear leader acrobatics of her admirers, her lies stand nakedly exposed as lies.

[zentrum]

33. Utah!

[bluestateguy]

34. Mormons really dislike Trump

and while I don't expect Hillary or Bernie to win Utah, they would win a few counties and clear 40% of the vote.

[Chitown Kev]

35. Yeah, I don't think that Hillary will win Utah

But things might look good for Arizona (big Mormon and Latino populations) and Montana (which Bill Clinton won once and Obama contested in 2008).

If the GOP is defending Arizona and Montana, they are in trouble...and it opens up many other roads for Hillary (or Bernie, for that matter) to get to 270 electoral votes.

[msongs]

37. yeah but red states don't matter...unless it's outside the south...and votes for bernie lol nt

[JackRiddler]

53. Why you wanna bring that flame to a happy thread?

The story in any case gives Sanders a much wider margin over Trump in Utah than Clinton. So why you wanna remind people of Clinton's relative weakness?

[merrily]

39. Bernie 49 Trump 37 would have been a much better headline for the claim

that Trump is giving Utah to Democrats. Hills is probably within the margin of error.

[Metric System]

55. Yeah, but Bernie's chance of winning the nomination is 6% on Predictwise.

[thesquanderer]

69. Cool, it was 5% a couple of days ago. That means he's just improved by 20%! ;-) (nt)

[kstewart33]

41. Completely irrelevant results.

Because the Republicans haven't launched their assault on Bernie.

If Bernie is such a threat to the Republicans, why have they spent millions on anti-Hillary ads during the primaries and not a dollar spent on Bernie? Not a peep has been heard from the Republicans.

Why is that?

[Hiraeth]

45. why is that? this is the primary. plenty of time for all that with the GE.

[JackRiddler]

56. Party line, forget about it.

Polls are totally irrelevant if they show Sanders doing better against Trump than Clinton would.

Polls are only relevant if they show Clinton ahead of Sanders in some state by 134 percent. Then they are science and math and anyone who disagrees hates math and science.

[kstewart33]

63. A diversion, not an answer to my question.

Logic can be terribly uncomfortable when the logical answer is difficult to accept.

[JackRiddler]

76. Your "question" is of no to interest to me.

I did not reply to your post, but to Hiraeth's.

[kstewart33]

61. Question still unanswered.

They obviously disagree because they are spending big $$$ attacking Hillary in the last 2 months and now.

But not a buck spent on Bernie.

Money talks. They don't see Bernie as a threat.

[thesquanderer]

70. re: "They don't see Bernie as a threat."

So much the better, on the outside chance he somehow manage to pull it off. (As mentioned elsewhere, predictwise gives him a 6% chance. Which sucks, but isn't zero.)

[Warpy]

54. OK, that's pretty shocking

I wonder what a match against Tartuffe, I mean Cruz, would be.

[JackRiddler]

57. Quite possibly worse.

Remember for Utah he's the wrong kind of Christian fanatic.

But Cruz is never going to beat Trump in delegates. Ever. Kasich has a better shot of that (in a united Anti-Trump scenario). Cruz is also never going to be nominated at a brokered convention. Ever, ever.

ON EDIT: I could be wrong about Utah, sorry. I just remembered that Mitt Romney made complete fools the other day of all the liberals who had been hailing him as the voice of reason against Trump's insanity and hatred, because he endorsed... Cruz!

[Warpy]

58. I think any kind of (fake) Christian zealot will do in Utah when it gets right down to

the moment another zealot steps into the voting booth. No, they won't like him, but by golly, the man worships the right god and that's all that counts.

[Amimnoch]

59. Didn't realize the General election had started.

I get what you mean though, it's like several months ago, when all these polls showed Sanders losing by a landslide all of his supporters were pushing for him to call it quits.

[JackRiddler]

60. The mixed reaction here to this news is funny!

Among the Clinton supporters I mean.

First of all, Clinton ahead of a Republican in UTAH? Wow, that is historic.

But wait, Sanders much further ahead and furthermore to take this seriously would legitimate this form of November preference polling in primary season. We don't want that now!

So we stick to the line that it's not scientific polling.

Scientific is what shows Clinton winning Arizona and New York by a cumulative 940 points.

[Jean Genie]

75. Fuggedaboudit!

No, all of us here at DU will NOT vote for Hillary if it comes down to her or Trump. Some of us will write in Jill Stein of the Green Party. Jumping on the Hillary band wagon by compromising your principles is utterly distasteful. Trump is utterly disgusting. Hillary is utterly unappealing. It really bugs me to be told I'm expected to choose the lesser of two weevils. So much for democracy. Writing in Jill Stein won't get us much of anything, except, perhaps, the right to say "hell no!" to both the would-be dictator and to the pander-bear. It's not much, but at least I'll be able to live with myself for making that choice. Too bad we're a nation too ignorant to see the possibilities in the Bernie revolution. Oh well... I guess we'll get the government we deserve.

[Duval]

81. K&R! Hope all are paying attention. nt

[stupidicus]

82. well, Hillarians have hilarious explanations for that

like somehow the rightwing assaults on Bernie are gonna have astronomical bad effects on him that they never could/would with Hillary, and my personal fav, that if Bernie can't beat her in the primaries, then he can't win the general -- which is like claiming that HC couldn't have beat the Mutt in 2012.

I'd posit that it's flawed thinking (to put it kindly) like that which explains who they support, and why.

[MisterFred]

83. Mormons like Decorum

Utah's position on Trump is irrelevant to the rest of the country. Except perhaps parts of Arizona.

[Chan790]

90. ...and Nevada and Idaho.

They all have sizeable Mormon populations which could be an issue for a sleazy guy that relishes in being a boor, made a fortune in casinos, has been repeatedly married, boasts about his sexual conquests, and comes across as a little too hedonistic perhaps.

[DemocraticWing]

88. I think the Mormon Church is likely to prefer Hillary to Trump. Trump is anti-Mormon.

He's said some things that inferred they were weird and bad. See the problem with bashing every slightly different group under the sun is that sometimes you need the votes of those groups. Mormons are no more willing to be insulted than Mexicans, Muslims, women, or anybody else that Trump has attacked.

[Goblinmonger]

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