Black Trump supporter hits white demonstrator

[Albertoo]

Trump's populist appeal is jobs, not race.
That's why painting him as Hitler doesn't deter his fans.

[noretreatnosurrender]

1. Bernie Supporter?

What makes you think that? Nothing in the video indicates he is a Bernie supporter. The video is even labeled Anti-Trump supporter.

[Albertoo]

4. Hasn't it been explained on DU quite often?

The Hillary teams asked not to disrupt Trump's meetings

[Marr]

18. That makes the man a "Sanders supporter" how? /nt

[w4rma]

21. He was most likely a Bernie supporter. Limousine liberals don't protest. (nt)

[yellowcanine]

43. So Trump protester is either a Bernie supporter or a limousine liberal?

Interesting logic.

[Albertoo]

22. OK, I'll add qualifiers

the demonstrator who has a very high probablility of being a Sanders supporter, as many Sanders supporters supported the idea of protesting at Trump rallies while the Hillary campaign teams suggested to their members to avoid doing so.

Does this formulation come closer to your wishes?

[hollysmom]

37. asking is asking, doesn't mean it happens.

Bernie has asked people to stand down as well, but I guess since the media doesn't cover him, you would not know that.

[Marr]

38. No, it doesn't.

Why not make arguments you can actually support, rather than making things up?

[Albertoo]

40. You like to argue, don't you?

Either I'm wrong, you prove it to me, and I stand corrected
Or you don't know, it's your guess vs mine, and we shouldn't carry on

[yellowcanine]

42. Actually the person making the claim bears the burden of proof. Sorry.

That is how logic works.

[Albertoo]

48. I made an assumption based on past events. Predictive logic.

[LanternWaste]

56. Less predictive logic, and more an invalid inference

Less predictive logic, and more an invalid inference as your premise can just as easily lead to a false conclusion as to a true one.

For a valid inference, if all the premises are true, then the conclusion must be true also.

[Albertoo]

58. pseudo science

An inference can be invalid even if the premises have high probabilities of being true,
which is what happens when someone tries to guesstimate an event.

Anyway, I changed the title and this discussion is becoming ever more useless.

[yellowcanine]

59. Now might be a good time to stop digging.

Just a suggestion.

[Albertoo]

61. Only you see a hole

[yellowcanine]

71. Usually when people are digging themselves a hole they don't know it.

Happy digging then.

[Albertoo]

73. Usually, hole alerters see imaginary holes

Happy hole watching then.

[Lizzie Poppet]

72. That's now how "predictive logic" works.

In fact, "Predictive Logic" is a software company. Predictive analytics may be what you're thinking of, but I assure you that methodologically-correct predictive analytics does not employ a single data point to draw a conclusion.

[tkmorris]

44. You're wrong because you made a completely unsupported allegation

No one has to "prove" that it's wrong.

[Albertoo]

49. see #48

[snooper2]

46. please proceed

[Person 2713]

23. He declared himself Independent. Here is a link

Independent. Doesn't think our country needs Trump that is a good thing
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/protester-punched-kicked-donald-trump-rally-arizona-n541991

[Albertoo]

50. OK. Thx.

[JI7]

2. many minority republicans hate being what they are , look at Jindal

and clarence thomas

race certainly is a huge part of Trump's appeal .

[La Lioness Priyanka]

3. yes, one black guy hits one white guy, therefore making Trump supporters overall

not racist.

lol

[Albertoo]

6. But the reverse was posted here with definitive concusions drawn

When it was a white Trump supporter hitting a black demonstrators, the conclusion was drawn that it exemplifiied racism. I just posted this video to mak ethe point I made at the time of the first video = that it is to miss the point to think Trump runs on racism. He runs on populist promises about jobs (the Oreo cookies)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. history and context matter when interpreting any event. else, its false equivalency.

there have been many campaigns like trumps, and overwhelmingly those campaigns have effected minorities more.

I am sure there was one jewish person who hurt other jews during the holocaust. it doesn't mean that the holocaust was not about the genocide of jews.

[Albertoo]

11. Misinterpret the opposition at your own risk

If Trump was running on racism, he would be far less dangerous because he'd be DOA

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. let me ask you something, are you black?

[Albertoo]

14. What does the status of one person have to do with a general discussion?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

17. because in my experience and in my expertise in social science literature

white people significantly underestimate racism in society. hence, it would surprise me greatly if you were black. because almost no black person would ever say that a racist would be DOA as a politician.

[Albertoo]

19. Maybe your experience or expertise distract you from the jobs issue

And I did not say that there was no undertone of latent racism in Trump supporters. The only point I tried to make in the case of the two protesters was that it was IMHO a mistake to see racism as a major driver of Trump's appeal.

My contention is that the appeal of Trump's populism is jobs: jobs leaving for Mexico (Nabisco, Carrier) which he links to trade agreements, and jobs diluted by immigration (his border wall). So it's more efficient to answer on jobs rather than invoke racism.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. if people cared about jobs, they would vote about jobs. which would consistently mean

that the democrats would win.

my expertise does not distract me from recognizing patterns of behavior.

[Albertoo]

26. well, no, it's still jobs

The 2008 crisis hasn't gone away.
Unemployment is down, but the employment level remains low.

[snooper2]

47. false

[brush]

12. One small thing though. The white guy slugged a black guy and was not arrested. The black guy was.

[Albertoo]

16. The white guy has been arrested

[serbbral]

54. LOL!!!!!!!

For real! LOL!!!

[Stinky The Clown]

5. This whole incident smells staged to me.

"See, even the blacks are willing to fight for me. I get along great with the blacks."

"See, Bernie is still sending his BernieBros after me.

[dchill]

7. +1

[Albertoo]

8. The Chicago protesters were lionized by some

Which was an encouragement for more of the same

[BillZBubb]

10. The Donald is a showman, so that wouldn't surprise me.

[Person 2713]

15. Or we can see what the violent ones 'look like ' no matter which side they are on

Plus visually he was punching someone in a flag shirt , and let us not forget the guy was white seems like Trump fascist mindfuck propaganda fake shit for his followers
He is Wrestling level entertainment

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Except the name of the guy roughed up IS SANDERS

watch the interview here

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/protester-punched-kicked-donald-trump-rally-arizona-n541991

And by the way, minorities WILL VOTE for trump. This is not an invention

[former9thward]

34. Are the stores in your town out of aluminum foil?

[serbbral]

55. @Stinky The Clown

They are really pouring it on. I saw on the news last week and this weekend how it seems that now they keep using these same two black women to 'talk up' Trump. Doesn't mean that there aren't some black people voting for him, but it is suspicious how NOW all of a sudden blacks are being seen more and more for Trump. People really think we are gullible.

[Person 2713]

20. no he declared himself an independent but his NAME is Sanders . Title is incorrect sigh

He said he was doing it for our country, that is why the flag shirt

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Hold it, I was told here that no minority would ever vote for Trump

and by the way, your assumption that this is a Sanders supporter with zero evidence is very wrong. The groups protesting Trump are actually quite extensive.

Oh and his name is Brian Sanders, he is not a Sanders supporter

You can watch the interview at this link

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/protester-punched-kicked-donald-trump-rally-arizona-n541991

[Albertoo]

28. Minorities will vote for Trump (if he is the GOP candidate)

But the GOP is so busy derailing Trump that we might not have to discuss the issue further

No idea who would be fielded. Cruz? ***shudders***

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. Current delegate trends, he will get it on the first vote

a brokered convention for the GOP is quite frankly a fantasy. Yes, I have done the math.

[Albertoo]

31. Have you seen the whirlwind of articles about the anti-Trump GOP scramble?

Looks like they're busy

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. They are desperate to stop him

And to be honest, the GOP is at the anger stage. Foreign press is almost resigned to Trump being the candidate. And his potential candidacy is now at cabinet level of concern, in Mexico for example.

[Albertoo]

35. The Chinese press is using Trump as proof democracy doesn't work

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Well Mexico has openly said that the US is no model to follow

you get out of the US media bubble for ten days...

[tkmorris]

45. That would mean more if say, Belgium said it

Mexico's record on Democracy is... not so great really.

[kcjohn1]

30. Trump will get more POC voters than other GOP

Candidates. Not saying much because GOP only gets handful, but Trump will do slightly better because of his anti illegal immigrant language and populist tone.

There some in the AA and immigrant communities who resent people coming here illegally and getting ahead of the "line".

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Much better than people here, or the DNC, want to admit

in public.

I am sure some folks at DNC HQ are starting to maybe realize this

[JustinL]

70. not according to the latest CNN poll

Here are the breakdowns of the various head-to-head match-ups among non-white voters:

Clinton-Trump: 74-22
Clinton-Kasich: 71-26
Clinton-Cruz: 67-31
Sanders-Trump: 80-15
Sanders-Kasich: 76-21
Sanders-Cruz: 71-26

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/21/politics/2016-election-poll-results-toplines/index.html

[malaise]

39. Supporter?

More likely a paid tool

[Darb]

41. Agent provocatuer?

A little over the top I'd say. did you see how he immediately and quietly surrendered?

Plant.

[marmar]

51. Sorry, but much of his "populist" appeal.....

...... is based on race. It's pretty obvious.

[underpants]

52. 47 second interview with the guy. Claims no sides just anti-Trump

[Albertoo]

53. Thanks. I amended the title

[KamaAina]

57. Ben Carson? Is that you?

[Albertoo]

62. How did you guess?

Was it the portrait of me shaking hands with Jesus that gave me away?

[KamaAina]

64. No, it was the one of you loading grain into the Pyramids

[Albertoo]

66. Aw shucks, I should learn that Pyramid thing is a giveaway

But when one knows the Truth like me, it's hard not to preach it.
My downfall.

Did I tell you how the Ark in Turkey proves god?

[erpowers]

60. Race Not Jobs

Just because one black person beats up a white person at a Donald Trump rally it does not mean that Trump's appeal is about jobs and not race. There have always been minorities who are more than willing to side with someone considered to be an oppressor, or someone trying to be an oppressor. It has been said that the house slave may have hated the field slave more than the plantation owner. A house slave's feelings about a field slave does not mean the system of slavery was not racist. It is possible that Clarence Thomas agrees whole heartedly with Antonin Scalia's statement that black students would likely be better off going to lower tier schools and that Affirmative Action hurts black students. Thomas' agreement with Scalia's statement does not mean it is not racist.

It is very possible that comparing Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler is not hurting him with his supporters because his supporters also like Adolf Hitler. Donald Trump is receiving support from members of neo-Nazi groups and former and current members of the Ku Klux Klan. I doubt Trump would have the amount of support he has from racists if his appeal was jobs. If that is the case why do these people not support Bernie Sanders.

Bernie Sanders is also talking about bringing jobs back to the United States. Sanders has also opposed so-called free trade agreements. Sanders has called for reform aimed at Wall Street and corporations. In addition, even though Bernie Sanders does not have any businesses, he is not calling for a set of policies while doing the things he claims to hate.

[Albertoo]

63. Jobs, not race

That was the point of me posting this thread in the first place.
The 2008 crisis is far from over, and people are hurting.
Trump is offering simplistic but graphic answers (the wall). Trump is about jobs.

[erpowers]

68. Trump is Not About Jobs

Just about every Republican has supported building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. If people wanted to have a wall built in order to protect American jobs they would have supported other Republicans, or even Bernie Sanders. They support Trump because he is telling them it is okay to dislike people who are not like them and that all there problems are caused by people other than themselves. Trump does not get support because he wants to build a wall; he gets support because he claims a wall needs to be built because Mexicans are mainly bad people.

[Albertoo]

69. Immigration brings in people who are less educated ready to work for less

"If people wanted to have a wall built in order to protect American jobs they would have supported other Republicans, or even Bernie Sanders."?? Trump is the only one suggesting a wall. Are you suggesting Sanders supports building a wall? (a Yuge wall, at that)

[backscatter712]

65. What's the name of that character by Harriet Beecher Stowe? n/t

[Albertoo]

67. Bart Simpson