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Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:27 AM

I’m beyond pissed. Here’s why:

A snake oil salesman, Trump, has an actual chance at being nominated and elected president.

The alternative to him is an immense-sized turd named Cruz, who is hated by the entire Republican Party.

There may be enough ignorant/know-nothing/bigots to elect one of these two. (Don’t ever again wonder how genocidal maniacs come to power.)

The entire media is busy denying they had anything to do with this grotesque situation.

Many terrified Republicans are falling in line behind Trump “just in case he wins.”

If Trump or Cruz becomes president, make sure your passport is up to date. (Not that anyplace on this planet would be safe from their insanity.)

But here’s what really pisses me off: We Democrats are busy fighting a Bernie/Hillary war. It seems that we are too busy to fight a clear and present danger to our country, (and possibly the survival of this planet).

And this is the one thing that pisses me off than anything else: The incredible stupidity of far too many American voters. I’d really like to say, “Fuck them." They deserve what they get. The problem is that all the rest of us will get fucked just as badly.

I wish I could suggest some kind of solution. And I guess we’ll have to wait until the election in November to see what happens.

But no matter what happens, the Trump/Cruz voters aren’t going away. And their toxic hatred will poison American politics for decades to come.

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Reply I’m beyond pissed. Here’s why: (Original post)
Cyrano Mar 2016 OP
Walk away Mar 2016 #1
upaloopa Mar 2016 #4
phantom power Mar 2016 #6
Walk away Mar 2016 #9
Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #17
Hortensis Mar 2016 #60
Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #78
Hortensis Mar 2016 #82
phantom power Mar 2016 #21
Cyrano Mar 2016 #30
zalinda Mar 2016 #44
Rebkeh Mar 2016 #37
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #41
aggiesal Mar 2016 #73
Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #29
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #40
Volaris Mar 2016 #59
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #93
Volaris Mar 2016 #96
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #97
LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #66
Name removed Mar 2016 #86
Trust Buster Mar 2016 #2
dchill Mar 2016 #14
Trust Buster Mar 2016 #16
Dawgs Mar 2016 #42
Moostache Mar 2016 #58
Dawgs Mar 2016 #83
eridani Mar 2016 #94
Trust Buster Mar 2016 #72
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zeemike Mar 2016 #74
Trust Buster Mar 2016 #75
zeemike Mar 2016 #80
astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #3
HassleCat Mar 2016 #5
JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2016 #23
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #7
Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #8
Cyrano Mar 2016 #10
bbgrunt Mar 2016 #53
Walk away Mar 2016 #11
zalinda Mar 2016 #46
MADem Mar 2016 #12
Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #18
mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #13
Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2016 #54
liberal N proud Mar 2016 #15
ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2016 #19
Cyrano Mar 2016 #27
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #43
bullsnarfle Mar 2016 #48
maindawg Mar 2016 #63
Utopian Leftist Mar 2016 #68
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lame54 Mar 2016 #20
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Hiraeth Mar 2016 #34
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #22
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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:29 AM

1. It's too bad we can't start running a nominee against him now...

the sooner the better.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:33 AM

4. Well we can all start fighting against Trump on social media.

If any of my "friends" post trump support I attack it. I post anti Trump stuff on facebook when I can.

I am done with fighting Bernie.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:34 AM

6. You're right, we should rally around Sanders immediately.

Anything else would be irresponsible.

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Response to phantom power (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:38 AM

9. Except he's already lost. I'm talking about a real world candidate. nt

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Response to Walk away (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:49 AM

17. Patently untrue.

Go after Trump, sure (who might yet self-destruct). The dominionist is worrying.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:17 PM

60. Cyrano, HERE is the only place there's a war.

Here and other little enclaves of quarrelsome people. Our "war" is also a media creation.

The simple truth is: An extremely large majority of Democratic voters finds both Hillary and Bernie satisfactory and, with an eye to the mess on the right, will vote happily and gratefully for either.

The so-called "war" is those people who will always angrily choose marginalization over unification and then ascribe it bitterly to corruption. Of course, some of those will join the GOP, but their numbers are very small and pleasing right-to-left-wing extremists is out of the question, so -- off with them!

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #60)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:18 PM

78. Yes. There's certainly a need for discussion dedicated

to winning the main event, Hortensia.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #78)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:53 PM

82. Ouch. You're right. But just think where

the Democratic Party would be if this story of our phony "division" wasn't poisoning our image? Having two acceptable candidates speaks very well about us and is a tremendous advantage. At least we can refuse this image and be proud of ourselves.




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Response to Walk away (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:03 PM

21. Your definition of "already lost" is not reality based. HRC does not have 2383 delegates.

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Response to phantom power (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:16 PM

30. Would you please stop this

Hillary/Bernie bullshit on this thread before it gets shut down.

Go fight your war over on the hate forum.

Please.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #30)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:44 PM

44. You are the one that started it. eom

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Response to Walk away (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:24 PM

37. Already lost?

Nope, it ain't over til after the convention.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:38 PM

41. You wish. The status quo candidate is the one disconnected from reality:

 

the status quo is untenable, and the sooner we make an end to it, the better. Imagine Trump ending the status quo: disaster for everyone. Imagine Clinton ending the status quo: she'd be the captain going down with that ship. Imagine which candidate would incrementally reform the status quo away, in a responsible way that is better for 99 % of everyone.

VOTE SANDERS while we still can have him at the top of the ticket. These chances are few and far between, and this is not a time to risk everything just so Clinton can have her turn.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:07 PM

73. In 1992, Bill Clinton lost 12 of the first 13 primaries ...

and still won the nomination.

Hillary has less then 50% of the delegates needed to win the nomination
1,147 of 2,383 (48%).

Anything can still happen.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:15 PM

29. Yeah, those pesky voters should just be ignored.

They shouldn't really have any say in the process, it should just be decided for us.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:35 PM

40. Let's go with Sanders as the nominee: against Trump, he has the best electability:

 

he'd draw most of the anti-establishment votes to our side, whereas Clinton would push those votes away. Clinton has net negative coattails, Sanders would bury the GOP in a landslide (swingstate Louisiana is a possibility.)

So let's nominate Sanders while we still have a chance to prevent Trump or Cruz.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #40)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:16 PM

59. And just for kicks, imagine how much fun it would be to run Sanders

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Against whatever Born on Third Base @$!#/&*() $× the GOP would nominate out of a brokered convention.
Their base would revolt so half the votes would be gone, the establishment infrastructure would be so far behind they would need another YEAR to get caught up, and the Republican Candidate would be the living embodiment of 'you didn't build that' douchbaggery.

Sanders would win the Presidency AND FLIP THE HOUSE BACK BLUE, that's how strong his coattails would be if the GOP were as stupid as we know they can be.
All WE have to do, is be just SLIGHTLY smarter than THAT. We will see if we actually ARE.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #59)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:45 AM

93. My sentiments exactly - even when I feel uneasy with the word

 

"motherf*cker".

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #93)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:34 AM

96. Fixed it

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Response to Volaris (Reply #96)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:38 AM

97. THANKS!

 

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Response to Walk away (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:32 PM

66. I would differ

Putting aside for this post, crowing about one candidate over the other, IMO no matter who becomes the nominee for the Democrats, it is better to not start too soon. For a number of reasons. One, there is no clear and isolated target yet for the billions of Koch money. If isolated like that, the MSM will be highlighting the perceived faults and accusations, slings and arrows, for months focused like a magnifying glass in the sun on one person, while on the other side, the story, even if dominated by one character, is still also about the race itself. This could lead to over-exposure, especially for Hillary who already has been raked over and over. And so it will seem like a yuuuuuge deal when (probably) Trump is declared [strike]King[/strike], the Republican nominee at their convention only a few months from the election. Giving him a big bump just at the right time.

Of course I also think it is very healthy for the Democratic party to be woken up to the realization that there actually still is a liberal progressive segment left after the years of abuse and being ostracized. And the internal debate in the party is good for it in order to clarify for itself just how they will define themselves going forward...no matter who wins.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:31 AM

2. He has no chance to be President. The a Republicans know the numbers. That's why they're in

 

panic mode. I hope Trump turns out to be their nominee.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:43 AM

14. You know the old saying...

Be careful what you wish for.

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Response to dchill (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:45 AM

16. I have ZERO confidence in Trump. Neither do the Republicans.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:39 PM

42. New to politics, because there is a VERY good chance that he can win.

 

He will move to the left and pull almost all Republicans plus the majority of Indys. It's going to be a lot closer than people think.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:15 PM

58. What is the electorate beakdown?

I always assumed it was ~40% Democrats, ~30% Republicans and ~30% front-runne....er..."independents".
The Democratic Party wins when turn-out is high, period.
We lose if turn-out is low or suppressed, period.

Bernie, Hillary, the freaking man in the moon...if the GOTV is not fantastic in November, then the GOP clown college will win again.
You're talking about a party that nominated (and WON) Reagan, Quayle and W. and also put Palin (the single dumbest candidate in HISTORY) on their ticket. This is a party of fools run by morons for idiots...and if we on the left decide to sit it out or fail to flood the polls, we will lose.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #58)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:05 PM

83. Agree. And this is the year of NOT wanting the status-quo establishment candidate.

 

Which means, not good for the Democrats if Hillary is the nominee.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #58)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:38 AM

94. Your numbers were true in 2006

Now it's 40% independents, 30% Democrats and 25% Republicans

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:00 PM

72. He's nuts and the country knows it.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #72)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:06 PM

84. And almost all Republicans and many Indys will still vote for him.

 

Just like Bush in 2004.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #84)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:09 PM

85. You sound like you might too.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #85)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:14 PM

87. That makes no sense, but okay.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:07 PM

74. Not in panic mode yet.

They will only be in panic mode if Sanders wins the nomination.
But if Hillary is the one it is no big deal to the PTB if she wins and there is no reason to stop a Trump because it will just divide the US even further...and divide is what they are after. It insures they stay in power.

It is amazing to me how easy it is to manipulate people.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #74)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:10 PM

75. Utter nonsense. Every Republican politician that speaks out against Trump claims that a Trump

 

nomination means a Clinton presidency. They don't even mention Sanders. He's irrelevant.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #75)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:21 PM

80. And that is because they have faith in the system

and that it will produce a Hillary candidate...and they are probably right.

Look at the media blackout of Sanders....the enormous amount of money given to Hillary by TPTB...the dirty tricks...all towards the goal of getting her the nod.

Hillary is no threat to money and power in this country...and neither would any Republican they may run against her be.
If she is the nominee they have a sure thing and their money and power are safe for at least 4 more years.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:33 AM

3. Couldn't agree more

I was happy to see Amy Goodman blast CNN for being part of why Trump blew up. To be honest I always thought it was because of how much of a laughingstock he's always been. But something stuck and I really get feeling disenfranchised. It's a shame a lot of these voters don't see how being served by a democrat could benefit them, but Trump goes to the reptilian brain and cites things that real Americans are afraid of. When that's engaged you can't even get to higher reasoning.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:33 AM

5. How to fight a war.

 

If you like and respect your enemy, and want to occupy his country when you win, you try to defeat him as humanely as possible, without bombing too many sacred buildings, creating hordes of fleeing refugees, etc.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:07 PM

23. It's not a war, it's an election ...

... so courtesy and respect have no place.

(kidding)

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:34 AM

7. First off, YAHOO to you for an excellent essay! Also, I think the GOP is going to run

someone other than those 2, and that worries me more than anything.

If the GOP does take the White House, one way or another, it will be an absolute nightmare and I know who will be to blame.

Hint: you cant blame an idiot for being an idiot (if you know who i am referring to or them) but you can blame someone who alleges not be an idiot, when they act like one.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:36 AM

8. Just vote for Bernie and relax! Bernie beats both Frankentrump and Crude decisively

and will beat the pants off one of them this November

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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:38 AM

10. Please, please keep the Bernie/Hillary war off this thread

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #10)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:59 PM

53. well, your OP sorta kinda pointed to the current contentious

points about whether Bernie should drop out so that Hillary could turn her efforts to the GE instead of the primary--so the response was expected (by me)

what pisses me off was finding out in 2000 and 2004 that so many of my fellow citizens would vote for W with a swagger and FU attitude. Now it is just further down that same rabbit hole.

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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:39 AM

11. Until the press asks him a question he doesn't want to answer. nt

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Response to Walk away (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:47 PM

46. Or he's given them the time allotted. eom

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:39 AM

12. If Trump or Cruz becomes POTUS, don't count on other countries wanting to take us in.

If you're a dual citizen, you're in better shape. Nowadays, though, if you're not bringing money and job skills, they don't want you.

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Response to MADem (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:55 AM

18. That is correct, in the countries I know. n/t

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:41 AM

13. Trump is the greatest thing to happen to the Republican Party

He blew their lid off al the dog whistles, passive-agressive racism, all their condemnation of various groups of people, like poor, or non-christian, whoever. It's all out in the open now. If Trump is elected, then hopefully it will cause a backlash and democrats will retake congress. It will either cause a whole rethinking of republican "philosophy," if you can even call it that, or the nation will divide into reasonable people and neanderthals.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:00 PM

54. It's already divided into reasonable people and neanderthals. nt

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:44 AM

15. There is another alternative

Everyone pulls together and makes sure we get the vote out this fall for the Democratic nominee.

Get the vote out and there is no way that a republican wins the white house.

Or you can sit around and complain that Trump could win, then he will stand a chance.


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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:56 AM

19. The way rethugs are vastly outnumbering Democratic voters in the primaries, we're going to lose...

 

...to tRump, especially if Hillary is our nominee.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:12 PM

27. When Democrats turn out to vote, we win

Obama won two terms because our party showed up.

Given the danger that Trump or Cruz represent to this country, I am holding my breath that we Dems turn out in the numbers we did in the last two elections.

And here's a plea. Please, please, please stop with the Hillary/evil, Bernie/good pile of bullshit. Save it for the hate forum.

Republicans will never vote for Bernie or Hillary.

All we have to do to stop the insanity of the Republican Party is show up at the polls for our nominee.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:41 PM

43. I think the other reply was referring to the 40 % of the electorate called independents

 

Democrats only win when independents show up to vote for them. Clinton's ratings with independents spell disaster and doom for the party: all the way from the top of the ticket to way down...

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:49 PM

48. Agree.

I live a pretty red area, so I know a LOT of republicans. Except for a handful of bat-shit crazies, you wouldn't believe how much most of them despise Trump; I think they would rather swallow rat poison than vote for him.

I anticipate that if Trump is the nominee, a whole bunch of repubs will be staying home on Nov. 8th. Then it all boils down to dems getting out the vote.
(Unfortunately, the dem organizers in my area truly suck at that, so we'll have to hope they do a lot better elsewhere.)

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Response to bullsnarfle (Reply #48)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:28 PM

63. They hate Hillary more

 

And half the Democrat is electorate will either not vote or vote green . I heard that in Ohio some 40% of Democrats voted for Trump. There are just as many a hole bigots in the D party and there are in the R party. The difference is that R party tapped into the angry white male vote 50 years ago right after the civil rights issue got settled. The fact that Trump ran on the advice of Bill Clinton means to me that he is catfishing the entire R party. But , he may have forgotten why he was running , and should have run as a D to block the challenge to Hillary from the left. Now he's turned into a monster. Frankly I don't know why any one from the D party cares. Let him destroy the entire R party who cares? The media now won't allow him on ,he's an embarrassment . They shameless pandering has become grotesque.and the Rethugs party owns all media. All of it.
Let them panic and scheme let them try to stop Trump. The more they try the bigger Trump gets. People hate the establishment. They hate the rich people. Sick of working and worrying with no money to spend. And if it's not you it's your friend or your child or your parents who are desperate. Sick of worrying sick of the 1% getting everything. Sick of the double standard sick of the police and their road blocks. Sick of worrying so tired from worrying. People are fighting back any way they can. Trump offers a way to fight back.
And the hate for the Clinton's is unparralelled in history. Bad things are coming.

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Response to maindawg (Reply #63)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:38 PM

68. Well said.

Add me to the "sick of worrying" crowd. And as for Hillary? Let's say I get worry-lines just thinking about it . . . .

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Response to maindawg (Reply #63)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:59 PM

89. No argument from me maindawg...

One thing is for damn sure...if this finally boils down to a Trump -vs- Clinton shoot-out it is going to be real, real ugly.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:18 PM

77. Your faith-based prophecies will be given all the credibility they in fact, warrant.

 

Your faith-based prophecies will be given all the credibility they in fact, warrant. Others will of course, adhere to practical statistical analysis which places a clear delineations between general election trends vs. primary trends.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:50 PM

92. WHY are some people so sure Bernie could beat Trump?

seriously, why?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:00 PM

20. you're pissed because we are having a primary?

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Response to lame54 (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:11 PM

26. Exactly. What is the point of this post?

If the point is "we should call off our primary" then it's just a bunch of concern trolling.

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Response to lame54 (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:19 PM

34. actually, he is BEYOND pissed.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:05 PM

22. I'm in agreement - but notice how

Your thread got derailed into a Sanders vs. Clinton spat?

So - you get a rec from me - but I'm sick of the tit for tat within when the real enemy lays on the other side. The only thing more threatening than Trump is his supporters.

Frightening awful bunch of assholes.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #22)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:31 PM

38. Thanks for the support, JustAnotherGen

I've had other non Sanders/Clinton threads locked down because they refused to leave it alone and kept up their Hillary/Bernie war.

I really don't know how to stop them from spilling their venom over into this forum. But they really are hurting all of us here on DU.

For some inexplicable reason, they seem be blind to who the real enemy is.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:08 PM

24. They are emboldened because Dumbya proved anyone can be president.




America has had a wake up call and is not responding very well.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:11 PM

25. I predict that this electron cycle will...

 

...reveal just how small and narrow his support is.

He'll lose in a landslide to either Bernie or Hillary.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:13 PM

28. The Average American

is dumber than a box of rocks. I was a photojournalist for nearly 40 years and in that time, on small and medium sized newspapers, I carried out "man on the street" interviews about current national topics. It would take 25-30 interviews to find a few people who were even aware of the news event in question, and get the 5 answers for the layout that were even comprehensible and thoughtful.

I am beginning to fear that a Trump presidency is a real possibility. It is really scary.

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Response to sgmcenroe (Reply #28)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:46 PM

45. Couldn't agree more. It's terrifying.

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Response to sgmcenroe (Reply #28)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:43 AM

98. Ignorant I would say.

I have some pretty intelligent friends who are entirely oblivious to current events. It's sad and pathetic.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:16 PM

31. I'm already fighting a clear a present danger to our country and our plantet:

Hillary Clinton.

First things, first.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:17 PM

32. There is a technical term for this "Bernie/Hillary war" -- we call it a Presidential Primary.


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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:19 PM

33. You're missing the point.

One of the many debates is about who is better against Trump or Cruz.

Afaic, only one dem can beat them. The other will destroy the party in the process so, yes, we are taking the repubs seriously.

But another point you are missing... This is stil primary season. Period. We are not going to have this strictly in general election terms. Not gonna happen.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:19 PM

35. Trump doesn't have much of an electoral path to victory even if he wins a popularity contest...

So there is that. I say instead of worrying about what the other side does we should vote in the primary for the candidate that best represents the will of the people.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #35)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:55 PM

50. Never underestimate the number of

fools who vote in America. After all, Nixon was elected twice. Reagan was elected twice.

And then there was that odd thing that happened where George W. got appointed once, and stole the Ohio election the second time.

Please, please, don't tell me about paths to the presidency.

Vote for whoever you want to in the primary. The Republicans could fuck us even if Jesus Christ was our nominee.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #50)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:58 PM

51. That's kind of too bad

The DNC had a chance to get someone with overwhelming support, but went with a lukewarm at best candidate. One who is going to have a hard time distinguishing herself from the opposition.

Bernie can still win this, but even I know it's going to be a fight. It shouldn't have been.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #51)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:09 PM

56. You ignored what I said. ELECTIONS WERE STOLEN

The Supreme Court appointed Bush in 2000.

In 2004, the election was stolen in Ohio. (not enough room here to prove it to you.)

Bernie/Hillary/Whoever -- We can't afford to lose this election. Your "lukewarm" is such a total heap of horseshit it doesn't even deserve an answer.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #56)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:00 PM

90. You mad, look I told everyone I am not committed to BOB so you are yelling at the wrong person

However, I do understand BOB's appeal to Independents who changed parties and to young voters who wouldn't vote for Hillary anyway. No one owes a candidate their vote no matter how bad the other side is. The thing isn't to brow beat them into accepting someone the thing is to find and acceptable candidate that understands what this country needs and wants. If you can't do that it's not my problem and it's not the problem of the Bernie or Bust crowd.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:22 PM

36. that's ironically Clinton's campaign--now that the backstabber who tried to seize the crown

is defeated, she can turn to the REAL threat and pretend to be to Trump's left on all the issues

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Response to MisterP (Reply #36)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:52 PM

49. So true. eom

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Response to zalinda (Reply #49)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:58 PM

52. with Clinton in "cruise mode," the primaries moving out West, and Trump able

to be on her left and her right at once things are about to get interesting

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:32 PM

39. I always thought that cruz was the snake oil salesman

and trump was the carnival barker.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:48 PM

47. Many of us Sanders supporters don't think there will be much difference between Hillary's economic -

policies and a republican. She made a literal fortune off the people that benefit from the current system. She changes positions so often that we don't trust that she will work to reform the system.

If you want to unite democrats against the republicans you'll need to find a way to address these issues.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:02 PM

55. Don't worry on Joe this morning they thought repubs would vote for Hillary instead of Trump

now there are some conspiracy stuff on that....he did invite her to his wedding.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:12 PM

57. It's how our Representative Republic works.

 

Take heart, this is primary season, and this is how primary season goes when there's more than 1 candidate with large support.

Come June, most will rally behind the actual nominee. Some from the candidate that doesn't win will chose not to support the one that does, but I think most will be smart enough to rally.

President Obama has had, overall, a smashing success of a presidency and maintains high popularity. Our chances of a November victory is (imo) quite high. Just as great, the SCOTUS appointment has the potential to regain us a majority in the Senate, even if it is by just a couple of seats.

Sadly, the house is not shaping up to be a good of an outlook, so... If my assessment is at all correct.. Our next POTUS will have his/her work cut out.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:20 PM

61. Trump/Clinton ... we're fucked either way.

 

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Response to ThePhilosopher04 (Reply #61)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:28 PM

64. Well, your reflexes check out ok

Typically you don't see a kneejerk like that outside of a yearly physical, but you recited that mantra with the practiced and immediate ease of a truebeliever.

Well done.

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Response to ThePhilosopher04 (Reply #61)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:40 PM

69. wtf are you doing on DU?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:24 PM

62. First things first. Nt

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:30 PM

65. It's the propaganda....

 

They're listening to radios and TVs that are STILL telling them Sadam was behind 9/11 and had nukes and Bush kept us safe and torture works and Dems dont take the threat seriously and Obama is a Muslim who isn't even a citizen and Hillary will take away your guns and Bernie will turn America into France.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:36 PM

67. so you think Republican primary voters

you know, over 2,000,000 of your fellow Americans so far

are "toxic" and "hateful" and "incredibly stupid"

With those messages you are well on your way to winning them to our side.

Meanwhile you

are "beyond pissed" and would like to say "fuck them" to a whole bunch of people.

I hate to say it old friend. (Friend? Well, I think I remember that we reached 5,000 posts at the same time, and when I saw NewYawker99's milestone post I was like "Cyrano? Who the heck is that?" I think that was you anyway.)

but you sound kinda hateful yourself.

I think that is part of the solution - love. Rid yourself of this toxic hate and fear. We cannot defeat hate with hate.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #67)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:52 PM

71. We will never "win" them to our side

And, yes, there are millions of Americans who are toxic, hateful, and filled with stupidity.

Sorry, hfojvt, I don't make the news. I just report it.

So save your righteousness. And please don't tell me how much you sympathize with those who are doing everything possible to destroy all that this country is "supposed" to stand for.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #71)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:22 PM

81. I still think that is selective reporting

I also think there are media people, supposedly on "our" side, who are doing their best to stir up hatred.

I am not buying what they are selling. I will pass on the hateraid.

If it is "righteous" of me to encourage you to do the same, then so be it. I'll stand with Martin Luther King.

And yes, if they are ordinary Americans working semi-hard at their jobs and taking care of their families and exercising their right to vote and to speak and to attend rallies, then I respect that, just as I expect them to respect me for doing the same - even though they hate Hillary with the intensity of ten thousand burning suns and think she will destroy this country.

I have lived through two of the worst Presidents imaginable - Reagan and W. Bush.

Rumors of this country's death have been greatly exaggerated.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:43 PM

70. Then vote for the person who can beat Trump. Is that too simple?

 

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:11 PM

76. Don't blame us voters

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Blame the DNC, and the Establishment——don't blame good Democrats, whether for either Bernie or Hillary.

Forcing a coronation type scenario on one candidate has terribly alienated much of the base and made us feel that our economic injustice concerns are not to be taken seriously. That we should again wait and maybe even accept some austerity--such as whittled away SS system or the continuation of for-profit health care which is really damaging us.

The strong arm tactics of the monied forces in the Democratic Party also had the effect of suppressing the candidacy of less Establishment Democrats---such as Elizabeth Warren--where we could have had a candidate that would organically and spontaneously really unite the entire party. A genuinely progressive woman candidate would not have split the party as it now is split.

And who knows who else would have run if not having to outspend the Clinton Machine? A better question is—why is the Democratic Party so weak in possibles? Why didn't we have a deep bench?

Don't scold the Democrats in the trenches for expecting our party to send us FDR type Democrats. Shame on the Party for moving so far to the right.

This "civil war" was utterly predictable.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #76)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:20 AM

95. ^ Thank you ^

Very well said. Its sad though.

Here's to us FDR Democrats with no representation, may something good come out of all of this. I'm open to a new 3rd party, personally. This third way Hillary coronation attempt shows just how deeply entrenched Moneyed Interests have become within the party. Its been mind-blowing & quite illuminating. There's no denying it now.

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #95)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:21 AM

99. FDR was so great.

All the values of a Bernie Sanders and yet all the powers to explain the situation that a Bill Clinton once had.

I think Warren has a chance to be in this league—which must make the old entrenched honchos in the party very unhappy.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:20 PM

79. The extreme right have always been with us, and they used to be much more powerful.

How do I know.
I was born in a sundown town. Now, if you don't know what that is, A "Sundown Town" was a town that made it illegal for N!%%@$ to be in the city limits after sunset. There were signs saying that at the city limits. They could not stay there. They could not even buy gas of food there.
The "Green Book" was created so that blacks knew where they could buy gas and find a hotel. (Shell was known for refusing to sell them gas. Esso sold gas and let them use the bathrooms.)

An religious persecution was common right through the 60's.

We need to vote to keep their toxic brand out of the White House.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:18 PM

88. Stop trying to sneak GDP into GD.

I saw what you were up to yesterday.



Edit: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027699857

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:50 PM

91. I agree with this assessment

too many DUers seem to hate Hillary more than Trump or Cruz and it is sickening

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