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Should we have a national pension system, a privatised 401K system, or a state-by-state option?
RandySF
(59,332 posts)Those are two things within governments jurisdiction we should do right away. We should also strongly enforce the promises companies make regarding their own retirement systems. I am a public employee with a systemwide pension plan AND 401k as a sweetener (also great for tax purposes), but now they are talking about making new employees go strictly on a 401k (it's actually a 457b) program. *shiver*
RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)I hate the idea of greedy banksters dangling people's livelihoods in unregulated markets so mercilessly.
elleng
(131,167 posts)to avoid their obligations.
Companies AND public entities should be forced to honor their obligations, first among them regularly contributing to funding their pension obligations.
I'm a Fed retiree, and glad my/our plan has been fully funded. Our union watches these issues, I think.
global1
(25,276 posts)RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)doc03
(35,386 posts)make the employers fully fund them.
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)Market manipulation destroyed many if not most people's retirement. At the same time lax rules have destroyed many defined benefit plans such as traditional retirement.
Until the problems of corruption in the markets and corporate malfeasance are fixed we need to look to a government minimum income for seniors. Expanding Social Security seems like the easiest solution.
How we pay for it is an open question.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)One thing a lot of people just don't get is that SS was always intended to be only about a third of retirement income. The other two thirds to come from a pension and savings.
There's also a lot of myths surrounding the old traditional defined benefit pension. Mainly, that at their height they only covered about half of all workers. Half. Think about that very carefully. The image so many have that back in the Golden Age all employees worked for thirty years at one company and got a lovely pension at the end is just that: a myth.
Then there's the problem of companies abrogating their pension obligations, mainly through bankruptcy. I know. I'm one of them. My pension from a former employer is one third of what it should have been.
Then there's the problem of state, county, or municipal pensions, which have been underfunded for decades. I recall reading about this sometime in the 70's. So now, it's put out that those pensions are far too generous and need to be cut back. And all along those employees played by the rules. They often took lower wages because of the promise of retirement income. A lot of those jobs do not participate in Social Security. And now employees who retired on the promise of a decent retirement income are seeing that money cut back drastically.
My solution is this: SS be strengthened. We collect that tax up to a much higher amount, say $1,000,000 in wages, but leave the benefits pretty much as they are.
Companies and governments be REQUIRED to fund their pensions adequately. And still offer 401k plans to those who wish to participate.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Chuuku Davis
(565 posts)$110 K or what ever it is