Susan Sarandon: "all I know is that I just can’t live with myself if I don’t say something."

[closeupready]

From https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/susan-sarandon :

In an interview with The Independent, she commented on her activism:

“Sometimes I don’t even understand the ramifications of what I say; all I know is that I just can’t live with myself if I don’t say something. I’m aware that I’ve become some kind of joke in terms of my activism but it’s not something I can worry about. You have to prioritize. And it’s not like my activism is something recent. I come from a generation where, growing up, if you had half a brain in your head and half a heart, you were automatically active.”

Susan Sarandon has supported the following charities listed on this site:

21st Century Leaders
46664
Action Against Hunger
Alzheimer's Association
Amazon Conservation Team
AmberWatch Foundation
Barbara Davis Center for Childhood Diabetes
CANY
Champions for Children
Children's Aid Society
Cinema For Peace
CITYarts
Companions in Courage Foundation
Creative Coalition
Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation
Endometriosis Foundation of America
FilmAid International
Habitat For Humanity
Hearts of Gold
Heifer International
Hope North
Legacy of Hope Foundation
Libby Ross Foundation
Live 8
Live To Love International
MASSIVEGOOD
ONE Campaign
Oxfam
Peace Over Violence
Red Cross
Somaly Mam Foundation
Stand Up To Cancer
St. Francis Food Pantries and Shelters
TigerTime
UNICEF
V-Day
Whatever It Takes
Yéle Haiti Foundation

She walks the walk.

[djean111]

1. I believe the ridiculous demonization of Sarandon by Hillary supporters is because, as a strong

opinionated woman, she did not pick up that gender card. She is always all about real issues.

[closeupready]

3. Absolutely agree.

[Smarmie Doofus]

6. If you agree.... I probably agree too.

Though I'm no expert on SS.

But this OP is getting recced.

[Baobab]

136. Bernie is the best candidate this country has had in my lifetime

We wont get another chance to change this

[questionseverything]

140. i fear you are correct about this being our last chance

there are no politicians coming up with anywhere near the integrity of bernie

the policy has swung so far right, we will never get back

look at how we dems have gone from blasting bush for his illegal ease dropping on citizens to accepting it under the current admin

people here at du bragging how comey is respected by both parties but comey went along with most of bush's illegal crap and he is directly responsible for the torture of padilla, an American citizen, tortured,denied bail and not charged for nearly 5 years...yet he is promoted by a dem pres

and the electronic voting machines and the electronic spreadsheets used to report those numbers...they keep progressives of the ballot in the general...why wouldn't they ,afterall they are all owned by 1%ers

[nxylas]

183. I refuse to admit defeat

Gabbard 2024!

[JDPriestly]

170. You are so right! Best candidate in my lifetime. 72 years.

FDR was president and not a candidate when I was born. So I can honestly say that Sanders is the best candidate for president in my lifetime. Absolutely THE BEST.

[djean111]

8. I was just thinking, this morning, that this is why the Dixie Chicks were demonized -

as country artists, they were supposed to support Bush and the war, etc. When they did not obediently fall in line, they had to be made an example of.

[onehandle]

9. Nothing to do with her being a woman, but everything to do with her being a tinfoilnaderite. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

12. Nader ran 16 years ago. Hillary opposed marriage equality until 3 years ago. If the one is a

'Naderite' the other is a homophobic bigot who credits her religion as reason for opposing the civil rights of some minority groups.

[redstateblues]

35. The consequences of voting for Nader

Are still very much with us. Thanks for Bush/Cheney

[PufPuf23]

63. It is a fantasy that Gore lost because of Nader.

All of us that have been at DU should know that Gore would have won regardless if the USSC had not awarded the election to GWB.

Gore lost because:

1. Democrats voted for GWB.

2. Lieberman was a distasteful VP candidate for many.

3. Gore could not carry his home state of Tenn..

4. Gore and Democratic Party leadership allowed the election to be awarded to GWB and even after that did not follow up on that specific issue nor voting and elections in general.

5. Bill Clinton and other leading Democrats did not do much to support Gore.

6. I myself felt Gore was a weak candidate and not my preferred Democratic candidate but still voted Democrat as I have all my life / since McGovern except I registered GOP and voted John Anderson in the 1980 primary as a negative vote against Reagan (and voted Carter in general election as I would have in any case).

Nader is a scapegoat and hippy bashing for election 2000.

I wish people here would quit the BS about Nader and the 2000 election.

[TeamPooka]

73. All are true except #5. Gore ran away from Clinton and his record the entire election cycle.

He distanced himself and famously didn't let Bill campaign for him in any significant way

[PufPuf23]

76. Maybe a mutual adversity between Clinton and Gore?

You may well be correct in that Gore did not want Clinton's support, but in any case the two did not do the Democratic Party any good.

Still the blaming Nader for what happened is BS and non-productive and tiring to hear.

Thanks.

[TeamPooka]

99. It's all about the fact Gore couldn't win his damn home state. If he had won TN then he wins clean

without the SCOTUS getting involved.

[PufPuf23]

102. I'll concede to the loss in TN (that I did note) but the Nader stuff is still BS. eom

[TeamPooka]

103. agreed.

[rpannier]

155. West Virginia or New Hampshire

There were avenues that he dropped the ball on

[7962]

178. That IS something often overlooked. nt

[bvar22]

122. If Al Gore had JUST ONCE looked to The Left,

and said something like,"I hear your voices. Maybe NAFTA wasn't such a good thing for American Workers. I can only promise that you WILL have a voice in my administration."...but he didn't.
He didn't acknowledge The Left even once.
That was a calculated campaign strategy. He calculated he could win without The left.
He was wrong, and admitted as much in a Jon Stewart interview.

Anytime a politician loses an election, it is a Failure of Leadership. It is the campaign's JOB to motivate the voters.
It is never the fault of the voters.
Those who insist on blaming the voters are setting up more failures.
However, if Leadership can do a courageous inventory, and look at the places THEY failed, progress is possible.

If the troops are not motivated to fight, it is the failure of the commanding officers, not the troops.

[PufPuf23]

123. People here forget that Gore was part of the Democratic Leadership Council

that made the overt decision to turn away from the left.

I agree with you about Gore in 2000. I agree with you about the Democratic leadership as well.

As I consider myself an adult long proud member The Left, the Democratic Party has been more often than not a disappointment.

Since Bill Clinton voters on the left have been ignored and many policies comes with the greed stink of the GOP and rather than counter to GOP are slow ride into GOP policies.

It is frustrating.

I admire your energy and insight at DU.

[bjobotts]

157. Gore did win as we now know.Too quick to concede. It was a cou

[tblue37]

141. I did the same thing to vote against Reagan in the 190 primaries, the switched back to D

afterward.

[lewebley3]

153. Nader cost the country a War by putting Bush in offiice

Sanders people are the same as Nader supporter. They
only about thier issues and their.personal. vote: they dont
care about the team work by the Dem's : In.the end like. Nader
supporters Sanders people are not working for the Dem's but
For themselves

[PufPuf23]

154. You are wrong.

But you know that.

Nice transparency page.

[bjobotts]

158. They are wrong. Misinformed. Nader no effect on the race...none

[PufPuf23]

163. If FLA had played out the election protocol and the USSC not awarded FLA to GWB,

Gore would have won.

If Gore would have won his home state of TN, Gore would have one.

The election should not have been close enough to lose.

Nader is a convenient scapegoat particularly as then the Left and liberals are to blame.

There was a failure of Democratic leadership.

Your opinion is bullshit. BTW I did not vote for Nader and have voted Democrat since 1972.

Your math is fine but not relevant.

[PufPuf23]

167. I want Democrats to do better.

I am certainly not for Trump nor any GOP candidate.

I would argue that Democrats voters have a limited ability to select Democratic leadership and that is a problem.

I should not have typed BS but do not respect your opinion.

You are projecting on me things that are not true.

[SylviaD]

175. Trump is not worse than Bush

Trump is a ridiculous sideshow. He will never be elected president. Bush did horrendous damage to the country and the world.

Even if Trump were president, do you think trying to erect a silly wall and badgering Mexico to pay for it, or even some clumsy attempt to restrict Muslim immigration...equals the crimes of the Bush regime? Not to me.

[redruddyred]

166. i have to agree.

i wasn't old enough to be much paying attention at the time but seeing those news clips as an adult i agree that gore was a poor candidate.

a bit embarrassed to admit this but was ambivalent abt the global warming issue for years because was introduced to it thru his film and it was obviously such a personal vehicle.

i am not a hillary supporter but she, and obama especially are such a breath of fresh air compared to the leftwing candidates i grew up with. i can see how ppl supported bush in 2000, and even in 2004. he's actually kind of likeable. it's too bad his handlers never let him make any of the decisions.

[JohnnyRingo]

171. You forgot to add Nader.

If the votes cast to Ralph Nader alone went to Al Gore (2.7%), there wouldn't have been a recount in Florida. Al Gore would have been president.

Your lengthy list of excuses omits that simple fact.

[PufPuf23]

189. Nader was a symptom not a cause of the problems as to why the Democrats

lost the 2000 POTUS election.

The situation was complex and to claim that Nader was the reason for the lost is confused or dishonest.

Nader is the excuse and a symptom but not the cause.

wish that Nader had not run for POTUS in 2000? Of course.

Did I ever consider supporting Nader for POTUS in 2000? Not a glimmer of a spark.

It is tiring to continue to hear that Nader voters in FLA lost the 2000 POTUS election when it is not true.

First, Gore would have still won had protocol been completed in a fair and honest manner and the USSC make a horrid ruling that was not challenged by Democratic leadership.

Second, to claim that Nader voters lost the election and led to the GWB years is bashing and blaming liberals in the Democratic Party.

[JohnnyRingo]

191. Nader admitted he was a factor in the 2000 election

He felt so bad at the time that he publicly vowed to never run again.

You could argue with him that he wasn't a spoiler vote. While you're at it, you can assure H Ross Perot that he didn't cost GHW Bush re-election in '92.

[YOHABLO]

188. thanks for posting that PufPuf23

[PufPuf23]

190. Thank you YOHABLO.

Opinion is very polarized about Nader and the 2000 election at DU.

[Raster]

77. Bullshit! Bush*/Cheney* were NOT consequences of Nader.

Last edited Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:31 PM - Edit history (1)

Bullshit!!! What about the tens and tens and tens of thousands of lawful, legal presumed Democrat voters removed from the Florida voter roles by Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris that specifically targeted Democratic-leaning minority precincts long before the first ballot for ANYONE was ever cast. You don't think they had anything to do with the Florida electoral debacle?

What about Florida Secretary of State, Katherine Harris, Co-Chairperson for the Committee to Elect Bush*/Cheney* in Florida, running the statewide campaign to elect Bush* from her Secretary of State Tallahassee office, and time-and-time again ruling every electoral nuance in Cheney*/Bush* favor... You don't think she had anything to do with the Florida 2000 election results?

What about the outright voter intimidation in Democratic Black and Hispanic precincts on election day by Florida State Police, encouraging minorities to "move along" without casting their ballots... You don't think they had anything to do with the Florida electoral results?

What about the notorious butterfly ballot - conceived by a Democrat-for-a-day County Clerk that allowed for over 3000 votes for rabid anti-semite Pat Buchanan in a predominately, elderly JEWISH precinct. Even Buchanan admitted there was most likely a mistake, and he did not believe he received those votes in that precinct. You don't think that had anything to do with the Florida 2000 election results?

What about the notorious black box voting machines - manufactured by two staunchly republican-owned interests - that were designed to be non-paper trail verifiable, whose "secret operating code" was ALWAYS unavailable for neutral third-party inspection, AND that were actually witnessed by impartial observers over and over again switching votes from Albert Gore to George fucking Bush*... You don't think that had anything to do with the Florida 2000 election results?

And what do you think about the usually accurate as hell Exit Polls that showed Albert Gore handily beating George Bush*? You don't think there was any problem there?

And finally, what about a brutally partisan, republican-majority SCOTUS that clearly had no authority to halt a legitimate Florida recount, and that basically stated in their "shall not set precedent" miscarriage of a majority ruling that - and I paraphrase - If the recount showed that Bush*/Cheney* did not win, it would be hard for them to govern. You really don't think that had anything to do with putting Cheney*/Bush* in the White House? All Nader, huh?

So seriously, you want to throw Florida 2000 at the feet of Ralph Nader?

Every time you or anyone else repeat the patently false and utterly dishonest bullshit meme that Florida 2000 was Nader's fault, you basically do the evil scumbag's work for them.

Ralph Nader may be guilty of many things, but putting George W. Bush* in the White House IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

[trumad]

118. Fuck Nader and his moron apologists.

[beerandjesus]

126. And another conservative Democrat speaks up

Countering the truth by lashing out, and to the end of smearing a liberal icon.

Lame.

[trumad]

137. Fuck Nader

[beerandjesus]

146. I'm sure you're a good Reagan Democrat.

[trumad]

150. Fuck Nader!

[beerandjesus]

184. Welcome to my ignore list. Shame, cuz you've had some good posts in the past.

[trumad]

185. Let me say it again.

Fuck Nader!

[beerandjesus]

127. GREAT post.

Far better than what the poster you're replying to deserves.

The PMRC cost Gore more votes than Nader.

[Raster]

128. Thank you!

Awesome handle!

[Erose999]

181. Gore had already won the popular vote. It was the electoral vote that mattered and 60k votes

scattered around the country probably wouldn't have made much of a difference. Gore had already won places where people would have been inclined to vote Nader.

[JohnnyRingo]

172. 2.7% went to Ralph Nader.

Don't pretend that wouldn't have changed the election. Even Nader himself said he felt so bad he'd never run again. You can argue with him.

[Baobab]

142. Have you ever read Ralph Nader's platform, read it.

It was really good. MUCH better than anything that was being suggested by the Dems.

At that time.


Borda Count is a good ranked choice voting system.

[bjobotts]

156. That theory has been debunked so many times. Catch up. Nader only affected issues

Not outcomes. He had no effect on the outcome of the presidential race. It's a complete falsehood

[Erose999]

180. Consequences of voting for Hillary include the Iraq war, DOMA, the PATRIOT ACT, etc.

She was an enthusiastic supporter of some of the worst of Bush/Cheney-ism, rather than using her influence within the party to oppose some of that shite.

[YOHABLO]

187. That's such B.S. and you should really do your homework on that issue.

[pangaia]

55. BAM !!!!!!!!!!! Right in the chops !!!!!

[Fla Dem]

70. Bernie "Evolved" on marriage equality as well.

[kristopher]

83. From about 1972 -- #3

Bernie Sanders Was for Full Gay Equality 40 Years Ago
Letter from 1970s shows Sanders was way ahead of this curve.
By Zaid Jilani / AlterNet June 26, 2015

[Fla Dem]

104. His statement doesn't refer to Gay marriages.

It speaks to imposing moralistic laws on a wide variety of issues and groups. Which in itself is commendable, but does not address changing laws to allow Gays to marry. Hey I'm glad both our candidates have evolved on Gay marriage and other issues.

NEWS + OPINION » INSIDE TRACK

Fuggedaboudit?
Sanders continues to refuse to give a clear answer regarding his position on civil unions.

By PETER FREYNE
JANUARY 26, 2000

Obtaining Congressman Bernie Sanders’ position on the gay marriage issue was like pulling teeth...from a rhinoceros. Last month, shortly after the decision of the Amestoy Court was issued, Mr. Sanders publicly tried walking the tightrope — applauding the court’s decision and the cause of equal rights without supporting civil marriage for same-sex couples.

This week we were no more successful getting a straight answer. All we did get was a carefully crafted non-statement statement via e-mail from Washington D.C. And Bernie’s statement wins him the Vermont congressional delegation’s Wishy-Washy Award hands down.

Once more he “applauds” the court decision but won’t go anywhere near choosing between same-sex “marriage” and domestic partnership. “By all accounts the legislature is approaching this issue in a considered and appropriate manner and I support the current process.”

Supports the current process, does he? What a courageous radical!

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/fuggedaboudit/Content?oid=2291039

OutwardEXPANDING THE LGBTQ CONVERSATION OCT. 5 2015

Bernie Sanders Champion of Marriage Equality. It’s Just Not True.
By Mark Joseph Stern

>>>>>>>Snip<<<<<<<

Like his current Senate colleague Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, Sanders deserves credit for opposing DOMA—then a popular measure with bipartisan support—while a member of the House of Representatives in 1996. But Sanders’ efforts to parlay this vote into indisputable proof of his marriage equality bona fides ring hollow in light of his statements at the time. Explaining his vote in 1996, Sanders’ chief of staff told the Rutland Herald that Sanders’ vote was motivated by a concern for states’ rights, not equality. Explaining that he wasn’t “legislating values,” she noted that Sanders believed DOMA violated the Constitution’s Full Faith and Credit Clause by allowing one state to refuse to recognize a same-sex marriage performed in another. “You’re opening up Pandora’s box here,” she said told the Burlington Free Press at the time. “You’re saying that any state can refuse to … recognize the laws of another state if they don’t like them.”

Perhaps Sanders’ team used this states’ rights rationale to limit backlash from anti-gay voters. That would be a perfectly acceptable tactic, since his vote—not his explanation of it—is what matters most. Still, if that’s the case, then Sanders should be honest about it. Sanders’ rhetoric leads listeners to believe that the congressman championed gay rights and rebuked Congress’ homophobia during the DOMA debate. But in his statements to the press at the time, Sanders defended states’ rights and made no mention of gay Americans’ dignity. His vote may have been brave. But it was hardly a full-throated cry for equality.

Full Article at link:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html

Fact Checker
Sanders’s evolving and ‘wishy-washy’ stance on same-sex marriage (Fact Checker biography)
By Glenn Kessler November 3, 2015

>>>>SNIP>-<<<<

In 2006, when Sanders first ran for the Senate, he said that the state was not ready for gay marriage, given the fact that the civil-union law had caused so much political controversy after it was approved. In an Associated Press article about Sanders’ opposition to a constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage, he was asked whether Vermont should legalize full marriage rights for same-sex couples. He replied: “Not right now, not after what we went through.”

In an Oct. 26 interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, Sanders acknowledged he urged a go-slow approach on gay marriage: “There were anti-civil union demonstrations. The state was very much split. And I felt that at that time, given the fact that Vermont had gone first in breaking new ground, let’s take it easy for a while. That was my reasoning.”

In an interview with NBC News, Evan Wolfson, the founder and president of pro-gay-marriage group Freedom to Marry, said that Sanders has exaggerated his record on gay marriage. “Senator Sanders, at points, has implied that he has been a strong and consistent supporter of the freedom to marry — but at crucial junctures, at least publicly, he was not,” Wolfson told NBC.

Full Article at link:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/03/sanders-evolving-and-wishy-washy-stance-on-same-sex-marriage/

I'm glad both our candidates support the LGBT community.

[beam me up scottie]

96. Those are lies, he never said the quotes from 1982 and 2006. My god you people are shameless.

Lying about your candidate is one thing, lying about Bernie is another.

How despicable that you would exploit this issue in such a way.

[Fla Dem]

108. I'll let the articles I posted above speak for themselves. nt

[beam me up scottie]

111. Those have been debunked, you'll need to do a lot better than that.

[kristopher]

114. That is manufactured Rovian bunkum.

BERNIE SANDERS ON LGBTQ RIGHTS
Bernie Sanders has been consistent in his belief that the LGBTQ community deserves equal rights, and has supported them long before it was politically expedient to do so.

In 1972 and 1976, when Bernie first ran for office in Vermont, he was an outspoken ally of the LGBTQ community; as a plank of his platform, he proposed the abolishment of all discriminatory laws pertaining to sexuality.In 1983, after he was elected to be mayor of Burlington, Vt., Bernie backed the city’s first-ever pride march.

Throughout his decades of public service, Bernie has voted against measures that impede the LGBTQ community’s rights and has supported those that protect them from discrimination. In recognition of Bernie’s record, the Human Rights Campaign gave him a 100% rating during the 113th Congress.

LGBTQ Values Are Family Values: Bernie supported gay marriage long before it was politically expedient to do so, and also supports gay adoption.

Addressing Discrimination: Bernie has long co-sponsored and voted for legislation that supports the LGBTQ community’s equal rights in schools, the workplace, and the military.


LGBTQ Values Are Family Values

Bernie was an early supporter and continue to be a committed advocate for LGBTQ families. He has regularly fought for them to have the same rights as families formed by heterosexual couples, publicly equating family values with LGBTQ values.

What is Bernie’s history on same-sex marriage?
He has long been a supporter of same-sex marriage, voting against the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) passed by Congress in 1996. In 2015, he said of that vote: “Back in 1996, that was a tough vote. Not too many people voted against it, but I did.” (In fact, he’s the only presidential candidate in the 2016 race who can say that.)

As both a congressman and later the junior senator from Vermont, he supported that state’s 2000 civil union law and 2009 law legalizing gay marriage. In 2011, he called on President Obama to “join in supporting marriage equality.”

In 2013, he co-sponsored the Uniting Families Act, which would have allowed partners of any legal U.S. citizen or resident to obtain lawful permanent residency. This bill was primarily intended to allow LGBTQ residents and citizens of the United States to bring their partners into America, just as members of opposite sex couples are able to do.

When the Supreme Court overturned DOMA in June 2015, he praised the historic ruling that legalized same-sex marriage across the country.

To what does Bernie credit the success of marriage quality?
Here’s a video of Bernie talking about the grassroots movement around marriage equality a little under two months before the Supreme Court ruling that overturned DOMA:

At a campaign stop in Nashua, N.H. shortly after the ruling, Bernie underscored again that it was made possible because of grassroots pressure on politicians and the justice system:

“No one here should think for one second this starts with the Supreme Court. It starts at the grassroots level in all 50 states. The American people want to end discrimination in all its forms… Because of the decency of the American people, because of the strength of the gay rights movement, we have changed consciousness in this country.”

How does Bernie feel about adoption by same-sex couples?
He’s for it. In 1999, Bernie voted against an amendment that would have prevented same-sex couples in Washington D.C. from adopting children.

Addressing Discrimination

Beyond the hot-button issue of same-sex marriage, the LGBTQ community faces discrimination in many other aspects of life. Bernie believes that the LGBTQ community should have equal rights in all respects, including the right to be free of discrimination at school, in the workplace, and in the military.

What has Bernie done to make attending school easier for LGBTQ youth?
LGBTQ students are often the target of bullying; 55 percent say they feel unsafe attending class. Bernie signed the Student Non-Discrimination Act of 2011 and co-sponsored the Student Non-Discrimination Act of 2013.

Despite all the progress, we have a ways to go with regards to LGBTQ issues in the workplace. What has Bernie done about that?
Yes, unfortunately many LGBTQ people still feel uncomfortable or even unsafe coming out in their workplaces. And they can’t be blamed — they’re paid less and have fewer employment opportunities than non-LGBTQ Americans.

Bernie voted in favor of the Employment Discrimination Act in 2009 to prohibit workplace discrimination as a result of sexual orientation. He commended President Barack Obama last year after he issued an executive order prohibiting discrimination against gay and transgender federal employees saying:

“We’ve got to end LGBT discrimination in the workplace. Vermont did this 22 years ago when it passed one of the first state laws in the country protecting lesbian and gay workers. Congress should have acted long ago, but Republicans have blocked action. The House won’t even allow a vote on the Employment Non-Discrimination Act that the Senate passed last year. That’s why the executive order that President Obama is signing on Monday is an important step in the right direction.”

What has Bernie’s position been with regards to LGBTQ people in the U.S. military?
Bernie Sanders voted against Don’t Ask Don’t Tell when it was introduced in 1993. After the policy was introduced in 1993, the military discharged over 13,000 troops, and discharges relating to this policy continued to exceed over 600 until 2009.

In 1995, while the policy was in place, Bernie angrily chastised a Republican congressman who referred to “homos in the military” as a problem:

Bernie has continued to be a vocal advocate for the repeal of the policy throughout the years, so it’s little surprise that in 2010 Bernie was among those in Congress who voted to repeal the ill-conceived policy.

Recently, Bernie has responded directly to concerns raised by the United States military’s transgender community. In a recent Q&A session on the online forum Reddit, Sanders stated:

“As somebody who has consistently voted to end discrimination in all forms — who voted against DOMA way back in the 1990s — I will do all that I can to continue our efforts to make this a nondiscriminatory society, whether those being discriminated against are transgender, gay, black or Hispanic.”

(links to supporting documentation at original page: http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-lgbtq-rights/ )

[beam me up scottie]

98. The Twitter account where you got that meme has a picture of Bernie in a Nazi uniform.

Just remember Nazis were socialists!
#NoBernie
#WakeUpAmerica https://t.co/1OjbFaD61s

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/700079095288352769?s=09

[kristopher]

105. That figures. nt

[beam me up scottie]

106. Not at all surprising, is it?

Hard to tell some of them from Trump supporters.

[Fla Dem]

107. You don't know where I got the meme's. Just because they MAY HAVE BEEN posted there

doesn't mean that's where I got them. So don't be making accusations you can't support. Thanks very much

[kristopher]

109. Just stop falsifying history.

You aren't doing yourself or your candidate any good - her unfavorables are already largely due to lack of trust and you are just reinforcing that perception.

[beam me up scottie]

116. Those lies come from either a right wing source or a rat fucker.

And neither one is acceptable here.

Truth matters.

[beerandjesus]

21. Spoken like someone who is most decidedly NOT a liberal.

That's ok, there's room in the tent for conservative Democrats.

[daleanime]

28. Which may be why there's seems to be....

no room in the tent for progressive democrats.

[beerandjesus]

38. Oh, I said there was room... not that they could hog the whole damn thing!

[LiberalLovinLug]

112. Nader's popularity, like Sanders, is a result of the Democratic party disenfranchising its base.

Do not go blaming the Democratic base for Nader's popularity. Did you have a problem with any of Nader's positions? I gather I'll get the same response when I ask Hillary supporters what Bernie's positions do they disagree with. Its all stuttering and blubbering about how nothing is possible. How the richest nation on earth simply cannot afford to have what other smaller poorer democracies can. So much more important that Goldman Sachs executives (Hillary's base) be able to afford their 3rd (or 4th or 5th) vacation property. Mustn't upset the apple cart.

[Lordquinton]

144. Two words:

Gore Won.

[beam me up scottie]

10. Exactly, they've been attacking her for months, ever since she endorsed Bernie.

The latest vilification is much worse though, their hatred for this woman is disturbing. She's been slut shamed, accused of "latching" onto men (especially young ones but she's not choosy) and called despicable names all by unhinged supporters here. It reminds me of how Trump talks about women, the misogyny is that obvious.

[merrily]

152. You can't criticize a Democratic politician from the left, but misogyny from the left is uber cool.

[joeybee12]

15. The demonization of Hillary by Sarandon is the real issue

I love how you people always place the blame where it doesn't belong.

[djean111]

19. She disagrees with things that Hillary has done, and things Hillary stands for.

Or is any criticism of anything Hillary does, did, and stands for now considering demonizing?
Rhetorical question.

[joeybee12]

20. Listen to what she said...

Trump and Hillary are the same...she got personal...get out of the Bernie echo chamber FFS...it's sickening how Bernie, and all his supporters never take responsibility for their vile comments.

[djean111]

24. Let me know when anyone in Hillary's camp apologizes for the vile spew from David Brock

and Barney Frank.

Oh, and I supported Hillary in 2008. And after that, I started to look stuff up. I think you are in an echo chamber. FFS.

[joeybee12]

26. FFS yourself

Neither works for Hillary, Sarandon is the Deadbeat's spokesperson...and don't change the subject since you can't defend her.

[djean111]

29. I don't have to defend her. I don't believe she cares what you think.

Also - I do not think Trump OR Hillary would be good for the people of the United States. On varying issues, and to varying degrees.

[joeybee12]

31. Well, you tried to and failed

Then changed the subject...

[djean111]

34. I think it is time for that Full Ignore button, really.

What you think of Sarandon is irrelevant.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

75. Right on!

Full ignore for me too!

[beerandjesus]

186. This thread has been pure gold for beefing up that ignore list, hasn't it?

Anyway, I second your button click! Anyone trashing Nader has no business calling himself a liberal.

[Ed Suspicious]

79. Let's get back on topic. You're off on a tangent.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

36. "Deadbeat?"

What have you done to better this world, or try to, at least?

[SammyWinstonJack]

49. Are you saying Bernie is a deadbeat?

[arcane1]

62. Brock works for Hillary's campaign. Directly. To say otherwise is to lie. n/t

[jtuck004]

64. Hillary has quit calling people deadbeats during this campaign, I think. Perhaps you could too?

Hillary Clinton Used To Talk About How The People On Welfare Were “No Longer Deadbeats”

...
In that same interview, Clinton also said that people who had moved from welfare to work were “no longer deadbeats.”
“Now that we’ve said these people are no longer deadbeats—they’re actually out there being productive—how do we keep them there?”
...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/hillary-clinton-used-to-talk-about-how-the-people-on-welfare#.fjX5JoRaR


I wonder if she still thinks the same about them if they still aren't working after all she and bill did for them? I guess, with a combined net worth of $110 million, the clintons can afford to think about others this way.

One wonders...

[closeupready]

95. Wait! That's because she first brought them to heel.

After which she and her ilk discussed why they became deadbeats in the first place.

[Autumn]

89. Deadbeat? Has Hillary paid for security at the Des Moines concert on Oct 24 that she

still owed as of March 11 according to the Des Moines local news ? Since you brought up deadbeats.

[valerief]

117. Ha! Boom!

[Autumn]

120. Bernie paid his.

[valerief]

121. I know. And on time. Cuz he doesn't play by the Oligarch rules. nt

[LibDemAlways]

27. She never equated Hillary with Trump and she has

said she would not vote for Trump. Never said she wouldn't vote for Hillary.

She's advocating for Bernie because she agrees with his stands on the issues. Nothing at all wrong with that. Millions happen to agree.

[joeybee12]

30. They asked her outright if she would vote for HIllary

She said she didn't know. She got personal and she did compare the two, ffs, she phucked up and don't try and rewrite what she' said and done...typical crap where anything and anyone around Bernie can do no wrong.

And millions even more don't agree...he';s not the only one out there running and he's not even close to the best spokesperson for the issues he's advocating.

[tkmorris]

45. Comparing 2 things does not mean saying they are the same

You know this Joey. Come on, we can disagree without needing to resort to frivolous absurdities.

[pangaia]

60. FFS...FFS...FFS.... FFS...

did you say...... FFS ?

How about another.. FFS..
Feel better now, joey?

[Major Nikon]

65. That's not what she said. This is Limbaugh level distortion claptrap.

And as ridiculous as this is to have to say in order to head off the inevitable alert, no I am not saying you are just like Rush Limbaugh.

[RiverNoord]

101. Um.... I'm a supporter of Bernie Sanders, and I take full responsiblity for

any 'vile' comments I have made concerning Hillary Clinton's candidacy for the Democratic nomination for the Presidency.

Still, I might be able to do something about your sickened state. (I don't like to see people suffer if I can do something about it.)

The categorization of activity or the state of a thing as vile is entirely subjective, it's pretty hard to know which kinds of statements are, to you, vile. So, I'll just take full responsibility for everything I've ever said about her candidacy, although, since, oh, around the age of 16, I have never said something, then declared myself not responsible for having said it, so it's a bit redundant. Nevertheless, I'll make some statements that I take full responsibility for, in the hope that you might find at least one of them vile. Hopefully, making a vile statement and taking full responsibility for having done so will help alleviate your state of sickness.

I don't know if simply writing 'I really don't want to vote for Hillary Clinton for the office of the Presidency' is something you find vile or not, but I really don't want to vote for Hillary Clinton for the office of the Presidency. I take full responsibility for writing that.

How about this: I believe that the candidacy of Hillary Clinton for the office of the Presidency is the product a couple of decades of personal ambition, and that she is not a leader. Rather, she waits for others to lead and carefully examines the level of their successes or failures. Then, she times her statements of opinions (and possibly her actual opinions) so as to offend the fewest possible people, while associating herself just enough with the politically more advantageous position to be perceived by the people for whom the position is important as being 'on their side.'

I wrote that and take full responsibility for it.

Um... Maybe this? The ongoing campaign of Hillary Clinton to accumulate personal power is heavily financed by major corporations and wealthy parties, and she appears to greatly value her status as a champion for their interests, even as she makes public statements suggesting opposition to some of them. I believe the probable policies of a potential officeholder can be predicted with great accuracy by examination of the major contributors of funds to their campaign(s). And I really don't like what I see.

I wrote that and take full responsibility for it.

If there's a comment that I didn't make that you consider vile, please let me know and I will consider whether I would be in agreement with the substance of the comment, and then whether I would be comfortable writing it. If so, I would, of course, take full responsibility for doing so, if it would help you feel less sickened.

[stupidicus]

41. pretty much

[arcane1]

59. How DARE she not agree with Hillary on every topic!

The horror!

[stupidicus]

61. oh looky, a subject change by someone who goes on to

whine about subject changes, with unsubstantiated charges of "demonization" in tow.

[carolinayellowdog]

84. "you people" plus insults equals stereotyping and scapegoating

and IGNORE

[Maedhros]

91. It is really sad that Hillary supporters constantly conflate policy criticism

with "demonizing" or "smearing."

It makes us not take anything you post seriously.

[chervilant]

151. Demonization?

Hyperbole much? Did you listen to what she actually said?

(Don't bother to reply--I've updated my IL.)

[Renew Deal]

39. Oh the irony

[ThePhilosopher04]

51. They ridicule her because they don't measure up and have to take shots at her. It's typical behavior

[lewebley3]

54. Susan is responsible for herself: No one made her say those things

Susan says she has a brain : are people making excuses:
Susan cares about her vote only, not about the country: just like
Other Sanders people. The poor and the needy want Hillary: but
Susan wil give them Trump!

[Duval]

58. I also agree. nt

[840high]

93. .+1

[emsimon33]

148. Obviously

Plus she is the real deal! So unlike many celebrities!

[Adrahil]

182. What is your evidence for this?

Never even occurred to me.

But Bernie or Bust is for morons.

[leftofcool]

2. She also supported Nader and now thinks Trump can start a revolution.

[BlueMTexpat]

4. In her advocacy of the first, she

aided and abetted the 2000 selection.

If that weren't bad enough, her apparent advocacy of the second, who says that any woman who has an abortion should be punished, has caused me - finally - to discount ANYTHING that she has to say.

I WAS an admirer and didn't throw her under the bus for her endorsement of SBS. I was extremely disappointed when she attacked a civil and labor rights icon like Dolores Huerta. But from her statements apparently in support of Trump, she is dead to me. Unless she walks them back in NO uncertain manner.

[hfojvt]

7. got to say something

even if it is wrong

[redruddyred]

168. i have a good opinion of those who supported nader

even if it was politically a mistake
the country wasn't woke enough in the late 90s for his candidacy
we didn't have a DU for one :0

[Merryland]

5. Susan Sarandon has always been an advocate for the good. n/t

[redstateblues]

37. Ralph Nader was not "the good"

[jtuck004]

50. There are a lot of people not skewered by pointy auto bumpers and sliced up by windshields,

not killed because they had seat belts, that would disagree with you.

Me too.

[hfojvt]

11. said to be worth $50 million

so un-itemized donations to various charities are NOT all that impressive. She has the money to give. She could give each of those groups $10,000 and that still would be less than 1% of her net worth.

Like that's a huge sacrifice on her part.

[djean111]

13. No one was saying anything about "sacrifice".

And no one cares that she is worth $50 million. She doesn't have to do anything at all.

[hfojvt]

43. if you walk the walk

it is often a sacrifice - at least a little bit. If it's not, then where is the credit?

She does not have to do anything at all, BUT clearly she has the resources to do a lot more. I could put together a list like that for myself - on an income of $15,000. Just volunteered six hours yesterday, like I do almost every Wednesday.

That still does not get me a free pass for any ridiculous thing I might say.

I think there is something wrong with having $50,000,000. I don't believe I would allow that to happen even if I had the chance. It makes her part of the dreaded, legendary 1%.

[djean111]

46. Doesn't that makes the Clintons exponentially worse, for you?

Oh, and that is a failed meme, that Bernie's supporters hate everyone who has money. Just sayin'.

[hfojvt]

57. Why do some people think

that everything is about the Bernmeister? Or his Bern victims?

The topic at hand is this one particular multi-millionaire who is supporting Trump, because she "has to say something" and she would not be able to live with herself if she didn't say "Trump for President, he will bring on the revolution". Which, incidentally, is the same thing another multi-millionaire said on election night after he helped to elect JR. Bush.

Supposedly she "walks the walk" and thus gets a pass for supporting Trump.

[Javaman]

14. but she still gives. nt

[leftofcool]

42. So do many other 1%ers and they are berated on a daily basis.

[Bluenorthwest]

18. Hillary surrogate Angela Bassett, film acting peer of Sarandon's is worth about $30 million and that

never gets mentioned because like Sarandon's wealth it is not relevant. America Ferrera is 31 and worth 7 or 8 million easily. She was at the Nevada Caucus affecting that she's an oppressed person. How do you think she and her cadre traveled to Vegas? Southwest Airlines? Hardly. Does it matter? No.

The thing is all of those attacks are specious and additionally Hillary's showbiz endorsers are among the Katy Perry Big Money elite. So he has a rich supporter, she has the richest and in neither case does it matter at all.

[joeybee12]

16. She has no more credibility...

If in her mind she thinks Hillary is the same as Trump, fine, but rational people will call her on her Bullshit.

BTW, GDP.

[Geronimoe]

22. Straw man failure in logic

You can't read her mind. And she never said Hillary is the same as Trump.

[joeybee12]

23. Yeah, she did...apparently you hear only what Bernie

tells you to say. Ridiculous.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

44. Please cite the quote. nt

[Maedhros]

92. Your posts are devoid of content.

Just meaningless blather and lashing out at more skilled debaters.

/ignore list.

[Puglover]

139. Can you even imagine

What an empty vapid echo chamber this place will be if Hill gets the nod. Ugh.

[leftofcool]

40. She obviously thinks like he does

She did say once that women who have an abortion should be punished. That sounds like a Trump humper to me.

[closeupready]

78. This topic, ostensibly, has ZERO to do with the primaries.

[Surya Gayatri]

17. Because the world waits with baited breath to hear the next gem of wisdom from

her sainted mouth.

"all I know is that I just can’t live with myself if I don’t say something."

Anything, whatever...

[carolinayellowdog]

88. that is "bated"

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/bated-breath

and an ignore, not for spelling but for obnoxiousness

[navarth]

125. LOL that was beautiful

my compliments

[carolinayellowdog]

130. Thanks; you can see I was punished.

Now I am using caps and punctuation, which has never seemed to be a requirement here. When people adopt spiritual-sounding usernames and then act hateful, I think they invite a higher level of scrutiny than "lesser" mortals.

[navarth]

147. I thought you nailed it

You did say the ignore was for being obnoxious, not for spelling.

Hence the stupidity of calling you out for hypocrisy.

[johnp3907]

129. Ever heard of punctuation and capitalization, Professor?

And an ignore for hypocrisy.

[Surya Gayatri]

192. For your expedient edification, should you choose to peruse it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027732936

"Those "friends" who are pretending to be policing spelling and grammar for the sake of posterity are probably just flexing for attention, or so it seems to everyone they're interrupting.
As a study from the University of Michigan recently found, those people aren't just annoying, they're also apparently huge jerks."

(Unless you've still got me on ignore....ooooh!

In which case, your loss. )

[Orrex]

25. Dammit, Janet.

[beastie boy]

32. Oh gawd! That takes me back years...

[Rebkeh]

33. K and R nt

[stupidicus]

47. she's a far better person than the 3rdway candidate she opposes

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/susan-sarandon-lol-i-would-ever-vote-trump

http://prorev.com/hillary.htm

[leftofcool]

131. She thinks women who have abortions should be punished.

I'd say she and Trump are on the same page.

[stupidicus]

134. then link the quote

or run along

[dchill]

48. K&R

[beastie boy]

52. Evidently, this includes saying something batshit whacky.

But it's not something she can worry about.

Fair enough. Kudos to Susan for having balls to compensate for her shortcomings in the judgement department.

[SoapBox]

53. I absolutely support Susan Sarandon.

And a big Fuck Off to those that are too stupid to understand what she is saying.

A corrupt Corprotist or a crazy Facist...neither is acceptable.

There is only one choice...and a Political Revolution is needed...it's now or never.

[Uncle Joe]

56. I support Susan Sarandon, she wasn't playing along with the corporate media conglomerate's

attempts at framing the discussion and writing Bernie's candidacy off before a large percentage of the American People have even voted in the Democratic Primary.

Thanks for the thread, closeupready.

[closeupready]

80. You are VW!

[NorthCarolina]

66. But...was she ever

a Goldwater Girl?

[ozone_man]

145. Lol!

Hillary still is. She hasn't changed her politics since then, the Democratic Party has turned right. She is to the right of Nixon.

Bernie has never shifted, and now so many are responding to what they perceive as the truth.

Susan Sarendon is wonderful!

[zeemike]

67. Don't let them get you down Susan.

The reason I admire you is because you say something.

that is what a strong woman looks like.

[PufPuf23]

68. I support Susan Sarandon

She is a movie star that throughout her career has given money and time and heart to support liberal and progressive causes.

I do not expect Sarandon to be perfect but as the OP pointed out "She walks the walk".

She does not need to be demonized and made an example of because she does not support Hillary Clinton.

IMHO Susan Sarandon is a much finer human being than Hillary Clinton.

[libodem]

69. Very Patriotic

[Tommy_Carcetti]

71. She's a good actress and I believe she's genuine in her beliefs.

That being said, she said something stupid. Even if she didn't mean it to sound stupid, it was just stupid.

It happens.

[closeupready]

81. That's fair.

I would have finessed what she said, or perhaps said something entirely different, but I agree that assuming she's a liberal, she didn't articulate her thoughts well. Cheers, Tommy.

[leftofcool]

132. I believe she was being genuine when she said women who have abortions should be punished

Yep, she is the real deal. For Trump.

[Prism]

72. She's an awesome human being

And watching this slander is almost hilarious. People are starving in this country, but a celebrity said something! And that takes up an entire week of focus from the Hillary camp.

These people just don't fucking care. This is why personality politics suck so hard.

[Cryptoad]

74. One Word

SpaceCadet!

[840high]

97. Such tolerance from the Clinton supporters.

[MrWendel]

82. Funny...

she blames Hillary for supporting the Iraq War, but had no problem supporting John Edwards when he supported it.

[George II]

85. "Walks the walk?" She lives in a $12 MILLION house!

And yet the Clintons have raised close to a BILLION dollars (maybe more by now) and they're criticized 24/7.

[DamnYankeeInHouston]

86. Susan is a giver. Hillary us a taker.

[DamnYankeeInHouston]

86. Susan is a giver. Hillary us a taker.

[Fast Walker 52]

90. Please Recognize Your Privilege If You Can Afford Eight Years of Hillary Clinton and the Status Quo

https://medium.com/@tonybrasunas/please-recognize-your-privilege-if-you-can-afford-eight-years-of-hillary-clinton-and-the-status-quo-fc1b9dc62bcd#.fmxtgup4g

[one_voice]

94. And George Clooney?

It's been mentioned that he's rich ya know. And has expensive fund raisers apparently he doesn't care about the poor and homeless.

21st Century Leaders
American Foundation for AIDS Research
American Foundation for Equal Rights
Andrea Bocelli Foundation
Ante Up For Africa
Barbara Davis Center for Childhood Diabetes
CARE
Casey Lee Ball Foundation
Cinema For Peace
Clothes Off Our Back
ENOUGH Project
Entertainment Industry Foundation
Everyone Matters
Feeding America
International Rescue Committee
Make It Right
Make Poverty History
Motion Picture and Television Fund Foundation
Not On Our Watch
ONE Campaign
Onyx and Breezy Foundation
Oxfam
Partners in Health
Realizing the Dream
Red Cross
Rock For Darfur
Satellite Sentinel Project
Save the Children
Screen Actors Guild Foundation
Small Steps Project
Stand Up To Cancer
UNICEF
United Way
Whatever It Takes
World Food Programme

https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/george-clooney

For the record, I think it's great they both do charity work. As well as other celebrities. Clooney hosted high dollar fund raisers. It's my understanding (I could be wrong) that Hillary has given to dems down ballot. That money was and is needed. I don't have a problem with it.

I want to beat the republicans. Which is why


:large

[Rex]

100. I suspect it be the same folks that mock people like President Jimmy Carter.

There is an incredibly mean-spirited group of people in this country that loath doing anything for free. To them, giving away something for free is like fingernails on a chalkboard. For whatever reason they find themselves in that place and time, it just boggles my mind as to why.

She shouldn't call herself a joke, you wanna see joke just look at the GOP front runners. I feel bad for her.

[felix_numinous]

110. Kill the messenger, shame and blame

all the untamed free thinking men and women who just won't fall into line! The left has been treated like crap for speaking the truth all of these years, about environment, war, civil and human rights, and we get no damn respect for resisting this corrupt and CRUEL over culture. Well buckle up because we aren't going away any time soon.

It is the mark of an educated mind to consider a thought without accepting it--Aristotle

[BainsBane]

113. And now she can add Donald Trump to her list of causes.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/30/yes_susan_sarandon_is_guilty_of_blind_privilege_why_her_comments_about_trump_the_revolution_are_so_wrong/

[6000eliot]

115. Excellent response!

[leftofcool]

133. Yes and punishing women for abortions.

[trumad]

119. Cute way to get Hillary bashing in GD.

Mods...this belongs in GD-P

[B Calm]

177. Cute way to get Bernie bashing in GD,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7724453

[Paladin]

135. Try harder, Ms. Sarandon. (nt)

[m-lekktor]

138. k & r

[Vote2016]

143. I stand with Susan, NOT Hillary

[reformist2]

149. Susan Sarandon is honest, real, an all-round amazing person. We need more people like her.

And less people who go along to get along. Because when everyone does that, we don't get anywhere.

[HawkMode]

159. I feel like

If i vote for Hillary than i feel like i condone all of these...

1) NAFTA 1994
2) Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994
3) Telecommunications Act of 1996
4) Commodity Futures Modernization Act 2000
5) Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act(Glass-Steagall Act repeal) 2000
6) Welfare Reform 1996

All supported by Hillary during her husbands presidency. Still supports them now except NAFTA which she's just kinda waiveres on.

I can't in good faith support Democrats who support these laws. It's ideology over party and if that's what the party is leaning towards than I'll Vote for Jill Stein and truthfully I've been researching her and her positions just in case Bernie can't pull off a miracle or some other event that would give him the nomination. This is real shit people. If we keep voting for the same types of politicians we'll keep getting these same types of legislation. Would thing's be worse under a president Trump? Probably. Would things be worse under Clinton? Probably. See, Trump won't be able to push Congress into signing hate laws or banning people. Won't happen. Financial laws? Oh hell yes! Same kinds Hillary would support. I have no illusions that Hillary would rein in the banks, change trade laws. Chastise me all you want but i didn't want her in 08 and i don't want her now and the fact she's being forced on us by the party makes it an even BIGGER pill to swallow.

peace

[pnwmom]

160. Susan Sarandon's "comments smacked of petulance and privilege."

Charles M. Blow:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/31/opinion/campaign-stops/bernie-or-bust-is-bonkers.html

No member of an American minority group — whether ethnic, racial, queer-identified, immigrant, refugee or poor — would (or should) assume the luxury of uttering such a imbecilic phrase, filled with lust for doom.

But I don’t doubt that she has met “some people” with a Bernie-or-bust, scorched-earth electoral portentousness. As The Wall Street Journal reported earlier this month, “A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll indicates one third of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders’ supporters cannot see themselves voting for Hillary Clinton in November.”

Be absolutely clear: While there are meaningful differences between Clinton and Sanders, either would be a far better choice for president than any of the remaining Republican contenders, especially the demagogic real estate developer. Assisting or allowing his ascendance by electoral abstinence in order to force a “revolution” is heretical.

This position is dangerous, shortsighted and self-immolating.

If Sanders wins the nomination, liberals should rally round him. Conversely, if Clinton does, they should rally round her.

This is not a game. The presidency, particularly the next one, matters, and elections can be decided by relatively small margins. No president has won the popular vote by more than 10 percentage points since Ronald Reagan in 1984.

SNIP

[Surya Gayatri]

174. "This position is dangerous, shortsighted and self-immolating."

Dammit, Janet! You really put your richly-shod foot in it there...

Maybe it'd be best to keep your naïve, but blessed mouth shut for the duration. You're not doing your latest "berning" political passion any favors with that kind of looney, laughable nonsense.

[PatrickforO]

164. My inclination is to forgive Sarandon the gaffe.

[hopemountain]

173. we're burnin' daylight!

that's the hell why we must keep walkin' the talk & talking truth. it's the lies, deceit, and denial that have led us down the wrong path for too f*****g long!

as i have gotten older and closer to my sunset days, i want to do all i can to bring about a better future for the planet and all that lives upon her and for all of my relations. we don't have time for bullshit.

[B Calm]

176. The way they are attacking her makes me think they hate her because she's a woman

supporting Bernie.

[Bad Dog]

179. Jimmy Savile gave a lot of money to charity too.

Charities help the rich salve their consciences, they allow distributors of benefit to make false distinctions between deserving and undeserving poor. In J B Priestley's An Inspector Calls Mrs Birling, the head of a charity, is the most callous and cold hearted of all the characters.