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Can someone cite instances of the world coming to the end due to a minimum wage increase? (Original Post) tenderfoot Apr 2016 OP
Big Mac will double in price, dont you know! Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #1
I am all for the minimum wage, but angstlessk Apr 2016 #2
Yes, it will DESTROY the US Dollar boobooday Apr 2016 #3
I save these for special occasions. Yuugal Apr 2016 #5
I'm honored! boobooday Apr 2016 #9
the problem is, we're in the midst of trade negotiations and the WTO might see it Baobab Apr 2016 #4
"Puerto Rico’s crisis illustrates the risks of minimum wage hikes" Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #6
Puerto Rico is not the model we should be basing mainland policy on Major Nikon Apr 2016 #11
To be fair, half this country went to war to try to avoid paying any wage at all. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #7
Who needs slavery when you can pay workers less than what they need to survive? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #12
the world already ended Enrique Apr 2016 #8
As I figured, no evidence to back up right wing assertions. tenderfoot Apr 2016 #10

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
1. Big Mac will double in price, dont you know!
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:25 PM
Apr 2016

Americans and others have been lied to by the rich for so long, have no clue about what stuff actually costs.


Baobab

(4,667 posts)
4. the problem is, we're in the midst of trade negotiations and the WTO might see it
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:43 PM
Apr 2016

(or RGFS, or some other trade organization or arbitral dispute body- i.e. special trade court) as an attempt to weasel out of our obligations to open up to foreign services firms, if they have to pay it. this is a longstanding dispute that goes back 20 years-

they actually do not want wage parity because they see "high" US (and other developed countries0 minimum wages as being used to keep their services firms- whose main compatitive advantage as being their low wages, out.

Also, trade deals have clauses- known as ratchet and standstill clauses, which limit "nonconforming measures" (broadly, all regulations just about can be framed as non-conforming, it sometimes seems) to those which existed at the signing of the agreements. 9they also have rollback clauses which can be utilized to roll back regulations to some earlier state- for example, they could be used with parts of the ACA) I know it sounds unreasonable and it is, but its been argued I think at least twice that any "regulation" which manipulates the conditions relating to workers employment which has an "adverse effect" on profitability of foreign multinational firms operating here as part of a multilateral trade agreement- would violate these agreements and that governments should pay for it- (See for example, Veolia Propreté v. Arab Republic of Egypt) This is the bizarre and horrid world of international investment deals. So, its possible that an organization like the WTO could decide to tell us how to pay workers if foreign firms here under special trade deals were made subject to US wage laws- the alternative- to let them have their workers work for anything they can agree on is to many equally odious-

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. "Puerto Rico’s crisis illustrates the risks of minimum wage hikes"
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:09 PM
Apr 2016
Prior to 1974, Congress held Puerto Rico’s minimum wage below that of the mainland, a sensible policy given the commonwealth’s lower level of economic development and labor productivity.

Then, with the best of intentions, lawmakers ordered Puerto Rico to equalize its rate with the federal figure; this was phased in by 1983, and the Puerto Rican minimum wage has moved in lock-step with the federal minimum ever since.

The results were sharply disruptive, according to a 1992 National Bureau of Economic Research analysis. They included “substantially reduced employment on the island” and mass migration of suddenly unemployable lower-skilled workers to the U.S. mainland.

....

In short, the minimum wage is a major reason for what a newly published report by two former and one current International Monetary Fund economists calls “the single most telling statistic in Puerto Rico”: Only 40 percent of the adult population on the island is employed or looking for a job — versus a U.S. labor force participation rate of 63 percent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/puerto-ricos-lesson-for-the-mainland/2015/07/08/24e63970-25ad-11e5-b77f-eb13a215f593_story.html


Now it appears that Puerto Rico is likely to cut its minimum wage:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/31/investing/puerto-rico-congress-bill/

Major Nikon

(36,817 posts)
11. Puerto Rico is not the model we should be basing mainland policy on
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:47 PM
Apr 2016

They have an island economy with about 1/3rd the productivity and income compared to the US. $7.25 there is more like $21.75 here.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. To be fair, half this country went to war to try to avoid paying any wage at all.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:37 PM
Apr 2016

Civil War they called it.

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