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rpannier

(24,328 posts)
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:14 PM Apr 2016

Man accidentally discovers 'perfectly preserved' Roman villa in his backyard

Luke Irwin came across the well-preserved Roman villa dating back 1,400 years and which may have been home to an emperor

A man stumbled across a Roman villa in his back garden which is being hailed as the most significant discovery of its kind for a decade.

Luke Irwin, from Wiltshire, was laying an electricity cable in his barn when he uncovered a mosaic underground.

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After an eight-day dig, archaeologists uncovered more of the ‘elaborate’ and ‘extraordinarily well-preserved’ villa, thought to be one of the largest ever found in the country.

Dating from between AD 175 and 220, the grand home is thought to have been three storeys high, similar to those found at Chedworth in Gloucestershire.

link
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/man-accidentally-discovers-perfectly-preserved-roman-villa-in-his-backyard-a6987901.html

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Man accidentally discovers 'perfectly preserved' Roman villa in his backyard (Original Post) rpannier Apr 2016 OP
If it was dated between 175-220AD, wouldn't that be more than 1400 years? Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #1
It is a metric year. whistler162 Apr 2016 #8
Thanks for the clarification, whistler. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #9
So ..... left-of-center2012 Apr 2016 #11
70 is the new 45 in metric years. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #14
Well, there is one thing I use the metric system to measure. 2.54 cm to the inch equals... n/t A Simple Game Apr 2016 #31
Your waist? n/t left-of-center2012 Apr 2016 #47
Later on, they say it "collapsed" 1,400 years ago. Brickbat Apr 2016 #13
That was using the business hours model snooper2 Apr 2016 #33
Amazing stuff ShrimpPoboy Apr 2016 #2
Very cool, thanks for posting etherealtruth Apr 2016 #3
Why doesn't this kind of thing happen to me? redwitch Apr 2016 #4
I know rpannier Apr 2016 #6
I remember reading this one too. redwitch Apr 2016 #10
Right? 2naSalit Apr 2016 #19
Oh My Goodness! redwitch Apr 2016 #21
I'm fine... 2naSalit Apr 2016 #25
What a beauty. Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #32
pretty kitty eom LittleGirl Apr 2016 #36
None, NONE! of my pictures have copies of the Declaration of Independence, nilram Apr 2016 #23
Because you don't live in England? kentauros Apr 2016 #48
I love England. redwitch Apr 2016 #49
All of England should be roped off alright. geardaddy Apr 2016 #50
Well, that's a given kentauros Apr 2016 #51
The Welsh and Scots are actually Brits too. geardaddy Apr 2016 #53
Incredible. MerryBlooms Apr 2016 #5
2016 AD-1400 = 616 AD ... MisterP Apr 2016 #7
But the Villa was built in roughly the middle of the Roman occupation ... Brother Buzz Apr 2016 #12
Romans left Britain 425ish AD. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #26
There were still Romano-British "kingdoms" left... geardaddy Apr 2016 #52
where's the Time Team when you need them? KG Apr 2016 #15
Mick Aston is dead dorkzilla Apr 2016 #18
Totally cool. mnhtnbb Apr 2016 #16
These articles never have Norrin Radd Apr 2016 #17
Wow!! 2naSalit Apr 2016 #20
Whoa, that is awesome robertgodardfromnj Apr 2016 #22
Oyster shells too! How cool is that? Jeffersons Ghost Apr 2016 #24
Cool. But I their idea of "perfectly preserved" might be a little off. progressoid Apr 2016 #27
Cool, love these stories! Thanks! Nt Logical Apr 2016 #28
To set a crude timeline for Roman Britain . . . Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #29
Wow, incredible DesertRat Apr 2016 #30
The team also discovered hundreds of discarded oyster shells snooper2 Apr 2016 #34
This was all over the news yesterday. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #35
I found a circa 1920's medicine bottle while digging a new rose bed dorkzilla Apr 2016 #37
Most of Devon and Cornwall is fairly hilly muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #39
I hadn't thought of the brick-making aspect dorkzilla Apr 2016 #42
more pictures--CNN has picked the story up ginnyinWI Apr 2016 #38
So, now he won't have access to his backyard anymore? Helen Borg Apr 2016 #40
Sweet! blackspade Apr 2016 #41
If you dig in Vegas you find sand. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #43
Gotta hurry. Going out to dig up my barn now. bvar22 Apr 2016 #44
If you find Jimmy Hoffa, just fill the hole, quietly. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #55
Cool! struggle4progress Apr 2016 #45
Cool! All I ever find are odd bricks and roofing nails Retrograde Apr 2016 #46
This is awesome TeddyR Apr 2016 #54

Uncle Joe

(58,295 posts)
1. If it was dated between 175-220AD, wouldn't that be more than 1400 years?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:23 PM
Apr 2016


Thanks for the thread, rpannier.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
13. Later on, they say it "collapsed" 1,400 years ago.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

Built in the 200s, stood for awhile, then collapsed. It's a lazy lead.

redwitch

(14,941 posts)
4. Why doesn't this kind of thing happen to me?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:31 PM
Apr 2016

I already checked the attic too. Twice. No Carravagios either.

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
6. I know
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:38 PM
Apr 2016

They had that guy in Italy who was digging a new bathroom (maybe it was a basement extension) and found underground a part of the city several hundred years old that they had covered.

I'm buying property in the wrong spot

on edit
found the story
http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/man-intent-fixing-toilet-uncovers-centuries-old-subterranean-world-020299

redwitch

(14,941 posts)
21. Oh My Goodness!
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:29 PM
Apr 2016

I just now read your username and understand! I usually do really well figuring this stuff out quickly. How are ya tunasalad?

2naSalit

(86,330 posts)
25. I'm fine...
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:05 PM
Apr 2016

It was my last furrylovekitty's name. It was a long time ago that she went away but I still think of her, best cat I ever had. She was more like a guard dog dressed up in kitty clothes! Nobody entered the yard without her approval, thank goodness I had a fenced yard! And the squirrels were her playmates. I found a picture of her...

I posted her picture, from 1999 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107104319#post37

nilram

(2,886 posts)
23. None, NONE! of my pictures have copies of the Declaration of Independence,
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:41 PM
Apr 2016

OR the Constitution hidden behind them, damnit. Awesome that this guy is getting other folks to dig his flower beds for him, though. Sharp.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
48. Because you don't live in England?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:14 PM
Apr 2016

All of England is an archaeological site! It should roped off and dug up for preservation

redwitch

(14,941 posts)
49. I love England.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:52 PM
Apr 2016

I could move there. And find out my house was actually built by that legion that disappeared. Hmmm.

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
53. The Welsh and Scots are actually Brits too.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

They can be assimilated the way the Welsh and Scots were expected to be assimilated. Or they can go to one of their Commonwealth countries. Or back to Jutland and Angeln and Saxony?

Nah, they'll stay.

And of course the Celts will have to go back to France and Anatolia. If we're to believe the academics.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
26. Romans left Britain 425ish AD.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:38 PM
Apr 2016

175-225 was roughly the peak of Roman occupation. After Romans left, the buildings fell into ruin. 600 AD is a good guess when the villa was no longer occupied.

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
52. There were still Romano-British "kingdoms" left...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:36 PM
Apr 2016

in the wake of the Roman withdrawal. So, I'm guessing the structure was in use until it was destroyed or abandoned during the Saxon onslaught.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
29. To set a crude timeline for Roman Britain . . .
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:49 PM
Apr 2016
(All dates Anno Domini/Common Era)

43 -- Claudius Caesar leads successful invasion of Britain.
60-61 -- British Queen Boudica leads revolt against Roman rule; revolt not put down before much carnage inflicted on both sides
105 -- Roman suffer defeat at the hands of the Picts in Alba (modern Scotland) and retreat.
117 -- Hadrian's Wall built, establishing the northernmost frontier pf Roman influence in Britain.
117-late rth Century -- Roman is stable except for the occasional insurrection by British patriots.
175-220 (approx) -- Villa built.
Late 4th/Early 5th Century -- Barbarian invasions begin.
410 -- Honorius Caesar in Rome rejects pleas from Romans in Britain for help repelling barbarian invasions; Honorius tells Roman settlers to fend for themselves.
430 -- Last Roman coins minted in Britain; presumably, all Roman troops have been withdrawn by this time.
After 430 -- Vortigern, a British warlord, invites Saxons to Britain to help repel invasions of Picts and Scots. Saxons remain in Britain and make themselves at home, causing ethnic and religious tensions between Roman Britain Christians and Saxon pagans.
446 -- Plea for help against Saxons addressed to Roman commander Aetius in the western main laind of the Empire goes unanswered.
476 -- Western Roman Empire falls; Visigoth King Odoacer assumes title King of Italy.
577 -- Saxons complete conquest of what is now southern England and Cornwall; Any historical basis for the Arthurian legends took place during the preceding century to century and a half.
600 (approx) -- Villa falls into permanent disrepair.
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
34. The team also discovered hundreds of discarded oyster shells
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:53 AM
Apr 2016

I guess this is before curb side trash collection

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
35. This was all over the news yesterday.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:27 AM
Apr 2016

It doesn't normally happen at all. The landowner was using a Roman child's coffin as a flower pot, (not any more.)

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
37. I found a circa 1920's medicine bottle while digging a new rose bed
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:43 AM
Apr 2016

I was just in Wiltshire last month, musing about all the history that is under their soil. Neolithic barrows, Roman remains etc. I'm curious as to why they've not found more in the southwest of England (Devon) - didn't even realize it till I looked at this map and there is a big ol' chunk of Blighty missing Roman remains.

http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryMagazine/DestinationsUK/RomanSites/

And if there are any Anglo Roman experts out there, wondering if they have any theories as to why the Roman tradition of hypocausts was lost after the 5th century? I'm assuming it could have been just that they would have been focused on subsisting but you would think that would be the ONE IMPROVEMENT the Romans bought to Britain that the native British would want to keep!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
39. Most of Devon and Cornwall is fairly hilly
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:37 AM
Apr 2016

and the Romans don't seem to have lived in the hilly areas of Britain much (except for the hills that Hadrian's Wall ran over, of course) - not so good for agriculture, I guess. Though you might have expected some interest in Cornish tin mines, for bronze.

The hypocaust requires an extensive brick or stone quarrying industry. Once the Romans left, building in Britain largely reverted to wood, and wattle and daub, until the Normans started building stone castles, churches and cathedrals.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
42. I hadn't thought of the brick-making aspect
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016

Completely makes sense. I suppose I would have expected they'd have re-used the brick from the villas and the vici for other things, judging by the robber trenches they find everywhere but I reckon they were busy trying to figure out how to survive.

Thanks!

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,325 posts)
55. If you find Jimmy Hoffa, just fill the hole, quietly.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 06:01 PM
Apr 2016

Unless you want your barn demolished, in which case, tell the FBI you "think" he might be there.

struggle4progress

(118,234 posts)
45. Cool!
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

I once found a little green plastic beach-toy shovel in my backyard!

Unfortunately I never tried to learn if it might be a ancient Roman artifact, and now I have no idea what happened to it



Retrograde

(10,130 posts)
46. Cool! All I ever find are odd bricks and roofing nails
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016

although I once found some charred newspapers under a thin concrete slab I took out.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
54. This is awesome
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:59 PM
Apr 2016

I'm a huge history buff. And yeah, the person who found the Carravagio in the attic is my hero

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