I am deeply suspicious of people posting the article on Obama's criticism of BLM

[La Lioness Priyanka]

either on DU or on other social media (facebook, twitter etc.)


Obama is black and has suffered from institutionalized racism. He has black kids and black nieces and nephews, and other family. When he criticizes BLM, one can safely assume he is talking about strategies that work and strategies that don't work. He is coming from a place of actual concern.

When non-black people start parroting these concern, one wonders if they are concern trolling. Do you only care about their strategies in as much as in affects your candidate (Bill, Hillary, Bernie, Jeb, Trump etc.)?

It's hard to say if you actually value black lives, or whether you are concern trolling because this movement is inconveniently timed for you.

[Electric Monk]

1. Do you only care in as much as it affects your candidate (Hillary) ?

You forgot one.

Thank you for YOUR concern, too, speaking of concern trolling, because Barack's comments are inconvenient to you.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. I put Bill in there because he was the one who reacted poorly to the BLM movement most recently

so no, you are wrong.

[bjo59]

3. Would you also be deeply suspicious if were Ben Carson who was criticizing Black Lives Matter?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

5. yes and no. really would depend on what he said. however, i think

he too has more of a right to criticize something that directly affects his life and that of his family, then random non black people do.

[TeddyR]

4. I really don't understand the point you are trying to make

What is it?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. when you criticize something your intent matters.

[Bluenorthwest]

7. But you always try to claim all LGBT for Hillary and you criticize those of us who refuse to agree

with her that the Reagans were the AIDS Heroes and your intentions seem suspect as fried fuck as well.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. i know you want to attack me, but at least make sense when you do.

I have never claimed all LGBT are for Hillary. All LGBT aren't even Democrats.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. i mock and dismiss you, because you make up lies about what i have and have not said. nt

[Major Hogwash]

33. Hey . . .

I read what you wrote in your post that was hidden, and I agree with you.
But, you should just ignore her from now on.
You're not going to change her mind that Hillary is a warmonger.

I'm jus saying . . .

[TipTok]

24. BLM has serious issues...

... And anyone and everyone should feel free to point then out.

[LanternWaste]

53. And many critics have serious issues.

"And anyone and everyone should feel free to point then out..."

No more and no less than everyone should feel free to examine the biases of those who "feel free to point it out..."

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Insert pretense of objectivity below...

[TipTok]

56. I am really impressed...

If you set grammar aside, you didn't repeat yourself once.

Brava...

[BillZBubb]

8. Who cares who you are suspicious of? I am suspicious of you.

It is a strange world you live in where only people of a certain race are allowed to criticize people of that race.

[Orrex]

11. I like how your post doesn't come across as petty or childish at all

Well done, brave soldier. Well done.

[BillZBubb]

12. thanks!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. lol

[LanternWaste]

54. Everyone responding

"Who cares who you are suspicious of?"

Everyone responding; though the rationalizations to the contrary will be both creative and imaginative.

[JI7]

15. i agree . it has happened for a long time

When people try to disassociate him from the general black population for their own fake concerns .


It's like when republicans bring up black babies when they try to make anti choice points .

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. yup.

[cwydro]

17. K and r.

I agree.

[Albertoo]

18. You are a bit biased, aren't you?

Obama is black and has suffered from institutionalized racism. He has black kids

Who says Obama is black? he's half black. His kids are 3/4rs black. Which is good.
Helps get rid of superiority/victimization clichés, one mixed marriage at a time.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. Lol.

[Demonaut]

19. thank you!

[DeltaLitProf]

20. A matter of semantics

Isn't every kind of political statement about an ongoing movement that isn't blind praise concern trolling?

It's just like in my field, when someone might call an author self-indulgent. Isn't every piece of writing self-indulgent?

The question is whether the concern trolling is legitimate criticism, not whether it can be called concern trolling and therefore dismissed.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

22. Race in this has a much richer history and more salience

Than the mere self indulgence of writers. In my experience and in the literature, everybody claims they are not prejudiced, yet institutionalized racism and interpersonal prejudice seems to continue. People too easily claim that they are not racist at all.

You can legitimately criticize blm or anything else, but I'd like to see how many of these legitimate critics have spent any time or energy trying to create racial justice. If you have not, I have every right to think that you do not really care about the ways racial justice could be achieved, you just do not like blm because it bothers you in some regard.

[TipTok]

23. So we're trolling if we agree with him...

... And have the nerve to say so?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. You say nerve like it's real brave to stand up

Against an oppressed minority. Sounds a lot like trumps anti political correctness battle cry.

[TipTok]

27. You're the one claiming that we have the 'nerve' to comment...

... Even though we lack the appropriate amount of melanin.

I consider it to be like any other conversation adults would have.

[Scootaloo]

26. You might want to re-read this bit and apply it to your own life, LLP

When non-black people start parroting these concern, one wonders if they are concern trolling. Do you only care about their strategies in as much as in affects your candidate (Bill, Hillary, Bernie, Jeb, Trump etc.)?

It's hard to say if you actually value black lives, or whether you are concern trolling because this movement is inconveniently timed for you.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

30. i have a long record of speaking for and support racial equality

I am a strongly ally to black people and a POC. I am not criticizing a racial justice movement to further my own agenda. Notice how I added the clintons in along with Bernie and the republicans when speaking to this issue.

So no, whatever shitty thing you're trying to imply about me, you're wrong.

[Scootaloo]

32. I'm certainly not wrong.

I don't know who or what you are, or claim to be, or other people think you are or aren't. I do know what you're doing though.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. No, you really don't. You hope that by implying

That I'm using black people to further some nefarious agenda, you can discredit me or my argument but you are wrong.

[Scootaloo]

39. Actually I was alluding to your concern trolling. But now that you bring it up...

Your whole premise here is that anyone talking about a news article must be using black people, must be some sort of racist, must have some nefarious agenda.

The irony is that clinton people have been using both BLM and barack obama as shields for their candidate for the entire campaign. So when the two butt up against each other, it appears to cause some real cognitive dissonance among clinton people whose only interest in either is how to use them for the benefit of candidate Clinton. Which side to take? Who's right? Oh no!

Your solution appears to be an attempt to smother the story by asserting that anyone who talks about it must be a bad person, unless they pass your personal paper bag test. Don't talk about it at all, be silent, let it sink away, else LLP will imply mean things about you! Which I'll grant is probably a better solution than even attempting to address the actual topic, at least from your position. But it's still not a very graceful solution, and it's pretty obvious what you're doing.Especially when you go and break out your "black people cred" like anyone cares.

Like I said, I don't know who you are, what you claim to be, what other people think you are.

I also don't really care.

As far as I'm concerned, you're someone on the internet with too much free time, trying to construct a narrative for why peopel should pay no mind to a news story you don't know how to approach, and how you will say mean things about htem if they don't follow your demands.

So with that in mind.

“You can’t just keep on yelling at them and you can’t refuse to meet because that might compromise the purity of your position,” Obama said. “The value of social movements and activism is to get you at the table, get you in the room and then start trying to figure out how is this problem going to be solved. You then have a responsibility to prepare an agenda that is achievable —that can institutionalize the changes you seek and to engage the other side.”

Obama brought up compromise often in his speech, imploring youth activists and political hopefuls to learn how to compromise and to not see opponents or those on the other side of the aisle as enemies.

"If you spend time with people who just agree with you on any particular issue, you become even more extreme in your convictions because you're never contradicted and everyone just mutually reinforces their perspective," he said. "That's why I think it is so important for all the young people here to seek out people who don't agree with you.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-blm-compromise-youth-speech

Enoy the read, and good night. Feel free to say nasty things behind my back.

[Marr]

55. +1, perfect.

[Scootaloo]

29. No, it's not

Some frauds who are tagging along for the ride certainly are, but every movement attracts some assholes.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. The entire movement is? That's news to me

[Boudica the Lyoness]

35. I didn't realize that the President had been

subject to institutionalized racism. Could you please give me the details.
Thank you.

[Scootaloo]

41. Beer summit

[La Lioness Priyanka]

42. Here is one reason

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/27/obama-when-i-was-younger-i-was-pulled-over-by-cops-just-because-im-black-video/

The obama's have spoken about being subject to institutionalized and interpersonal racism.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

45. I have been married twice

First husband was black and the second one white. My first husband and I were never pulled over by the police. He recently told me that he has only been pulled over once by the police and that was when he was drunk and the young white cop told him to sleep it off before driving further. First husband now in mid-60's btw.

On the other hand my white husband was been stopped by the police on two occasions when he was not violating any laws and didn't receive any citations/tickets. On one occasion I think the small town cop was bored. The second occasion was when we were leaving our business building at an industrial park one evening. The cop said he was taking down my husband's details because if anything was later to be found amiss at the building, our building, he knew where to come looking!! We were two middle aged white people, in a minivan with our 13 year old son. Imagine if my white husband had been black and the cop said that to him! In fact if you're white, imagine you are black and go through your day imagining every slight is because you're black. You develop a chip on your shoulder pretty quickly.

My black son, now in his 40's, has never been pulled over and he's driven all over he U.S.

Race baiting for votes is going to come back and bite us all and it's too bad because we'd all come a long way. After 45 of never experiencing racism, except in a black neighborhood and by a couple of black students at a historical black university, I'm very tired of this wave of race baiting.

lol I see how institutionalized racism held Obama back. Didn't he become the President or something?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

49. You know just discussing race and racism isn't race baiting

That's a very Right-wing way of looking at Race.

Also, Obama has achieved a lot but people who've been discriminated against sometimes do achieve things, but there path is harder. these things are not mutually exclusive

[Scootaloo]

51. Except that you're pre-emptively accusing people of racism

Your entire point is, "if you are discussing a news article, and are not black enough for my personal paper-bag test, you're a racist with an ulterior motive!"

When called on that, you try to back off and whimper about being a victim. You talk about all your black friends. And how "it's just an opinion."

Now I see you've scurried off to the AA group to put on another tearful martyr act.

Funny thing is, you're trying to accuse another poster of being right-wing, buuuuuut you're doing exactly what right-wingers do on discussion boards. They launch a broad attack against liberals. They then try to "defend" their attack by acting like they're the one being attacked - that glenbeckian "I'm just asking questions!" or of course, "I thought liberals were for free speech!" And then when that fails, they run back to 'home base" to talk about how they've "proved" liberals are the "real haters."

Seriously. Maybe don't do that? Maybe just acknowledge that your attempt at smearing people and smothering a story was a bad idea, and move on, instead of just trying to dig the hole deeper? You're not going to find gold down there, LLP

[romanic]

36. Why concern yourself with other people's opinions?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

37. If I didn't care about other people's opinions

Why would I be on du ? Why would anyone be on du ?

[Nye Bevan]

38. So put them on your ignore list, then it's like they don't exist.

Poof! Problem solved!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

40. I could but I could also opine about them

You know the same way everyone else around here does

[Nye Bevan]

43. OK, so you enjoy opining about them or engaging with them.

Great! All part of the rich tapestry of this political discussion board!

[Lucinda]

44. His comments were correct. The whole point should be getting people to the table to talk

and make the changes you are protesting about. That applies to ANY group protesting. Unless, of course, your protest isn't really about change, but the intention was to get media attention and/or embarrass someone.

I fail to see how supporting common sense becomes an issue about skin color.

[Hekate]

46. 5th Rec

[Democat]

47. Many DUers are "suspicious" of anyone who disagrees with them

That's not news.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

50. This is not posted in lbn. It doesn't have to be news.

Can just be an opinion which is what it is

[melman]

48. What a bunch of horseshit

He is the president.

[Marr]

57. Another piece of pretzel logic, explaining why people shouldn't comment on a story you can't spin.

You projected way too hard in the third paragraph. Rarely have I seen a more transparent piece of concern trolling to simply deflect a story that casts your candidate in a bad light, and it really does put your real priority into sharp focus.