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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI want to know how a candidate I have never donated to, or volunteered for
and never signed up for anything remotely related to her has gotten her hands on my home address? I don't want her correspondence. I REALLY want to know how she got my address?
She has the intestinal fortitude to ask me for money. I've been told to fuck off, now you're begging me for money. No chance in hell.
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onehandle
(51,122 posts)UtahLib
(3,179 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)![](/emoticons/rofl.gif)
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Tommy_Carcetti
(43,181 posts)If you are a frequent voter (they're called "super voters" , the more likely you are to receive targeted mail from a candidate, regardless of whether or not you have donated or volunteered for that candidate.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)NWProf
(51 posts)by all means send the request back with a well thought out response as to why hell won't be freezing over soon. This helps in two ways because the campaign pays for the return postage (cheap revenge for unwanted mail spam) and it helps to keep the post office functioning.
(As they used to say back in the '60s: when the universe hands you lemons, make lemonade. They said a lot of other things back then. Most of them are best forgotten...)
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)..on that request and include a nice letter telling her to keep her begs to those who support her. I have even stopped donating to some of my favorite groups that have "stood with her". Especially those that are supposed to stand up for women's rights....they will never be on my list again.
Standing with Bernie
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)or to the DNC, etc. You are much more likely to get a request for money if you are a known donor than you are if you are a known voter. DNC sends me surveys too, but I never get around to sending them back. I kinda doubt if they want the survey as much as they want the check. They say "send $10 to cover the cost of processing the survey" as a hook.
JPZenger
(6,819 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)alfredo
(60,071 posts)The lists can be pricey, but essential if you want to have an effective ground game
CrispyQ
(36,461 posts)![](/emoticons/evilgrin.gif)
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)yardwork
(61,599 posts)I wonder sometimes.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Response to Hiraeth (Reply #75)
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onecaliberal
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Kall
(615 posts)Just "shut up and hand me your votes" Democrats.
yardwork
(61,599 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)Wall street will pick up the tab.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Add a few cinder blocks to the Clinton Victory Fund. maybe they can use them to build an actual base.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)This is very common in campaigns.
And politicians do not have to tell you when they sell or rent out your invormation.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)when NOBODY except my family has that number.
alfredo
(60,071 posts)They charge you for the processing.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)![](/emoticons/rofl.gif)
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)the missing emails are on that chip
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Nobody is looking in there!!!!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)![](/emoticons/happy.gif)
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Got to run, someone is knocking on the door
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)I have no idea how, I just always assumed they got it from Obama's lists. The DNC probably has all of the addresses of Obama's supporters on file somewhere. Or Dem voters in general.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Did it start recently during this election season or earlier?
Can you trace much of your attitude to random, general things you have hears on and off over the years in the media?
Do you hate mail from Jiffy Lube or Target the same way?
I dont mean to make light of this, I truly cant understand it.
I am more liberal than any ten of most here, support Bernie, always have, but would vote for Hillary in a heartbeat if I have to for obvious reasons.
I was around, aware and paying attention to everything the Clinton's did in their 8 yrs in the WH, am and was aware of all the sexual misconduct accusations against Bill, I believe most of them, and I find his and her politics to be far to much to the right for my liking.
Yet, I dont dislike either of them so much that I would elect a fascist like Trump or Cruz, not in a million years.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)I have no hate for either of them.
the hate of some Bernie supporters is difficult to fathom and I think hints at something a lot darker. I suppose they'd be happier with a trump presidency so they can complain about the senate votes that allowed him to get into a manufactured war.
I'm truly disgusted.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Nixon, Vietnam.
If we had packed up and walked as so many here are threatening to do, we may very well still be fighting in Vietnam.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)1939
(1,683 posts)And Nixon pulled the rug out from under him by shutting down almost all the war before the election. In November 1972, there were only 16,099 servicemen left in Vietnam (I was one of them)..Nobody got very charged up about it and the peace negotiations were very close to being finalized. Without any traction from an antiwar sentiment, McGovern lost to Nixon 49-2.
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Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)when it was
REALLY?
1939
(1,683 posts)Nixon was stuck with a losing had and began the pullouts. He did it very slowly and on his timetable, not the demonstrators time table. He was hoping (slim hope) that Vietnamization would work and that South Vietnam could hold the fort after we left. He was trying to buy time to build up the Vietnamese. You can see that by the size (and location) of the various incremental withdrawals. The antiwar demonstrators were an annoyance and a distraction to Nixon, but never forced his hand. As he said in 1968, he had a plan to get out of Vietnam and he did it.
glowing
(12,233 posts)First: I think she's where she is due to name recognition mainly and a lot of political maneuvering. She came back in with a fool proof winning plan (even if that meant states and super Pacs played dirty tricks and illegal shit).
Second: we have had President Obama. Because he's a Dem, he's gotten away with so much more than a Reoublican ever could... Shoot he passed their health insurance bill. He's used bombs indiscriminently. And he tells us his biggest mistake is Libya (which we all hear is Clinton's baby).
She's bought and sold a hundred ways to Sunday and she's really not all that Democratic... She even comes to social issues or the $15/hr at the last second. Fracking Queen of the world, while we are looking at another record setting temperature year.
We need a leader desperately and she isn't it by far. So do you burn it down and say, F-you Anerica? And be young enough to pick up the pieces after OR do you allow more and more of a oligarchy to run the country? And allow it because it's a Dem? It's been awful hard to really bring light to complaints of Obama because of his historic presidency and the wing nuts making birthed issues. We will get the same shit all over again with her.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Phlem
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Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)I don't have anything against Hillary, I just don't believe a word she says as a politician.
There's a difference.
Gender has no effect when it comes to a well connected corporate politician.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)In the 10 plus years I've been here, I've never heard that. That never gets trotted out ever. That isn't going to be done again this election at all.
So the DNC and Hillary have no skin in this game? It's all the Sanders' supporters fault? You should have been here the last midterms. The DNC decided they needed Republican votes and put up a bunch of Republican friendly Democrats for open seats. They all lost. Progressive leftist bills made a great win however.
So guess who's fault it was for none of the Democrats getting elected. The left base, apparently they didn't vote some say. Don't how they could have ever come to that conclusion. I know I like to shoot myself in the foot as often as possible. But wait a minute I did vote and have all my life "D" but that doesn't matter at all does it. Leftists Progressives got the blame.
Could it have possibly been the DNC's fault? Nooooooooooooooooo, never, strike the thought immediately!
The Thirdway have been running the show since before Bill Clinton and now Republicans have both houses of congress.
You're really going to blame the left base for that? Not the DNC cause you know, they're supposed to be running the show.
When'd you sign up 2016? So you know it all huh. You were here the first time Hillary tried this huh. You know all about it.
Give me a fucking break.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Or don't want it. Have you been on DU?
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Typical.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)2016 and it's just that fucking simple? Did you lose your job when NAFTA came around?
Sorry I don't play blackmail.
Take your grade school reasoning elsewhere, because that's the fucking reason we're in this mess.
Jeeeeeeeeebus H Fucking Christ!
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)this.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Since you weren't here for it try reading some history. Goodby.
glowing
(12,233 posts)Hmm, do I believe Trump or Hillary will
Make my life any better? No, they don't care. Both are power hungry, ego-maniacs. She
Clearly doesn't want my vote one bit, so I kind of have "Fuck You" attitude toward her. trump should be checked quite a bit and he may actually get us our progressive, liberal congress who actually make the laws to do shit for us by 2018. That would be something Clinton will NOT do. She's not exciting now, and if you thought Obama had a hard time, just y'all wait.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)liberal message boards.
Phlem
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NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)And the "let's let a right-wing nut get a elected so The People(tm) will be inspired two years in two rise up and rebel by electing a super-progressive Congress" schtick that the previous poster is advocating
has already been tried...in 2000. And that worked out so well.
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zalinda
(5,621 posts)I lived through 2000 and there wasn't anything that was done, except for 300,000 DEMOCRATS voting for Bush in Florida. You know the DNC run Democratic party got 300,000 Florida Democrats to vote for George Bush. Had absolutely nothing to do with the left, but we got the blame.
Z
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)who supported that bullshit idea.
And no, Trump is a right wing piece of shit who will only cause more right wing pieces of shit to get elected -- not fewer.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)BushCheney. Thanks
zalinda
(5,621 posts)Get your facts straight. If those 300,000 Democrats hadn't voted for Bush, Nader wouldn't have 'spoiled' the election. Put the blame where it belongs.
Z
glowing
(12,233 posts)But not voting Dem for the first time in FL has consequences.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)This is some funny shit.
Who's on first?
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)America is burning down...
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)![](https://i.imgflip.com/13840t.jpg)
Help people with their illogical hatred of them. I was also around for the Clinton years and they were a hell of a lot better than Reagan or Bush.
Me, I am not that into Bernie Sanders, but he IS my second choice
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2naSalit
(86,586 posts)![](http://www.political-humor.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/butthurt-report-form.jpg)
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)I didn't like.
Action Taken: Instead of throwing it away like a regular person (recycle, please!), I made a post on the DU detailing the butthurt incident because it must be a CONSPIRACY that I got mail I didn't like.
This primary can't be over soon enough....
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Weirdly just after Bernies campaign reported a security breach to the DNC (but the Clinton campaign, who would have similarly noted the breach, never mentioned a thing).
Yet only 1 campaign got castigated. ..
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Had her life ruined when Bill Clinton and Janet Reno signed off on paperwork regarding the med marijuana issue.
Lynnette Shaw was forced out of her chosen profession of managing Med Marijuana clinics, and the end result was that her Social Security funds were stripped away from her Social Security account as well. This has never happened before to any American citizen - not even people who were drug king pins!
Last year, a judge finally absolved Shaw of any claims of the Federal Government against her. But the last few years have been very difficult. With any luck she will not lose her house this week, but saving it will require a miracle.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)femmocrat
(28,394 posts)I got a robocall from John Morganelli (candidate for AG in PA) every night at dinner time.
Bettie
(16,100 posts)because they dial every number in an exchange.
So, if your number is 555-3131, the dialer (used to be a person) Calls 555-31 00-99
Hekate
(90,674 posts)Response to Hekate (Reply #28)
guyton This message was self-deleted by its author.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)No actual phone numbers are input, just set the computer to dial advancing one number at a time. Some are not in service, keep going to the next one.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)making a Federal case of it, just screaming for attention, why don't you quietly unsubscribe to anything you get from her? Would seem like a better use of your time, and mine.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)The phone calls are kind of funny. Lots of confusion, lol. I got on someone's list somehow.
Caller: Would you like to take a survey?
Me: Sure
Caller: Do you agree that the EPA should be stop harming businesses with unnecessary regulations?
Me: No, of course not.
Caller: What? How could you say that?!
Me: I'm just answering your question! What kind of bullshit poll is this?
Caller: (hangs up)
onecaliberal
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Bettie
(16,100 posts)and I could not get off.
I had fun with the in-person callers though. I was never mean, but they got some truly bizarre answers on some of their more open-ended questions.
Hekate
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Bettie
(16,100 posts)I have given some truly weird answers to some of them. My husband too.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)Data " no joke.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Response to onecaliberal (Reply #24)
guyton This message was self-deleted by its author.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)You can look up your friends and neighbors, see how often they vote, too. Which I do when people get too snotty with me about politics on FB.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)We worked off massive printouts of registered voters that included name, address, phone number, and PARTY.
A lot of the Bernie people here seem to not understand how party politics actually works. At all. Registration of voters; registering them on time; registering them in the candidate's party so they can vote for the candidate... all such a mystery.
Those records Bernie's staff "accidentally" looked at -- and copied -- were painstakingly amassed over decades of dedicated work by Democrats. Now is the season in which all that info gets used.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)that the Clinton campaign itself had amassed through hours and hours of voter contact and outreach, most of it done by volunteers.
I think both candidates had access to the basic VAN and voter lists, but the Clinton campaign had worked to shade that info, who was a strong supporter, who was on the fence and who was strong Sanders, so they knew how to structure their outreach. And the Sanders campaign straight-up stole it. And most of what they stole was VOLUNTEERS time.
Anyone who ever did the work of campaign ID and GOTV would know what a violation that was.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)It was a betrayal -- a kind of theft.
Warpy
(111,255 posts)I'm a registered Democrat in a heavily Democratic part of a blue city in a fairly blue state. I realized they'd gotten a mailing list from National Financial Services, the outfit that sends me all the crap relating to my dad's stocks.
Admen have pretty much taken over the political process, from providing focus groups of morons to vet speeches and oratory style to buying mail lists from corporations they think will target voting blocs they think they can win. Everything we see and hear from most candidates has been packaged by admen and has been for decades.
Fla Dem
(23,657 posts)I got on that list too! And all my e-mailings were addressed to "Elizabeth" (Not my name). I got tons of emails until I blocked the email address. (Didn't get any actual physical mail.)
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)to pay off all the right people. With enough of it you can cover up virtual mountains of information, poof.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)they're listening to your phone calls to granny.
modestybl
(458 posts)... is to take "no postage necessary" envelope, stuff as much weighty material as possible, with a Sanders flyer on top, filled in the comment box under her "what concerns your family most" question with "a candidate not soaking in Wall Street money" ... and threw it in the nearest mailbox.
After HRC basically told Sanders supporters we could all pound sand Monday night, my way of telling her the same.
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)yardwork
(61,599 posts)Politicians can get your name and address from all kinds of sources. Sheesh.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)![](/emoticons/happy.gif)
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)they have to pay for the mailings. bulk rate but they still have to pay.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Don't you remember that whole deal last fall when the Bernie people broke into Hillary's voter database?
The reason that could happen is that they both rent the DNC's database of every Democrat who has EVER donated to ANYONE. In that system, they also kept the additional information they had collected themselves. Bernie's software guy broke into Hillary's proprietary info and looked around.
But that's when we all learned that they both rent and have full access to the basic DNC database containing name and contact info for anyone who has ever donated to, volunteered for, or registered as a member of the Democratic party.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Ever get spam emails? Ever get spam phone calls?
Do you have similar rage when the DAV calls, sends you letters saying they will be in your neighborhood and can pick up any donations, even though you haven't signed up with them?
It's a cold call. You are not unique. You were not singled out.
Relax and don't take spam so personally.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Both are seeking money, with no previous connection.
Both are exempted from "Do not call" laws.
If you have a problem with one of the sources, that's exactly what it is, your problem.
I can't help it it if you don't like the answer to the question you asked.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)I'm done arguing. They're not the same not even remotely and no twisted form of logic from you will convince me.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Neither think you are special in any way, they just want your money.
The only thing that distinguishes them, IMO is your hatred.
Which for the sake of your health, I hope you learn to at least ignore, or it's going to eat you up over the coming years.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)I get phone calls from are questionable, at best. (Never donate to unsolicited charity calls.)
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Meh.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)You seem overwrought.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Ya know, the guy running for the dem party nomination? Maybe since you've participated in the party nomination process they were fooled into thinking you are a democrat.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)My response would be, "Your pals on Wall Street have plenty, and you are not hurting either. Please remove my name from your mailing list and leave me alone. Thanks. "
840high
(17,196 posts)in one of my replies to her. Just not that politely.
Dr. Strange
(25,921 posts)![](/emoticons/woohoo.gif)
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)doc03
(35,332 posts)donated to Bill and Obama. If you don't want to donate put it in the trash and chill.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Three things in the mail.
And thank you Bernie for listing the polling hours.
I'm not going to whine about it. Geez.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)As others have suggested return the envelop with your own letter. I got a survey from the DNC awhile back and I wrote and told them a few things I was thinking, smile.
doc03
(35,332 posts)Fuck You written on them, never got another.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)And 2 weeks later got a thank you email from Hillary thanking me for the $50 donation to her and asking for another contribution but to her campaign email.
KT2000
(20,577 posts)not really a big deal. You can expect people going door to door for various candidates using those lists too.
MFM008
(19,808 posts)you have signed up for something democratic or environmental. Most places SHARE information, e mail, etc.
If anyone told you anything, its the other voters. 3 million other voters for HRC.
840high
(17,196 posts)The first few times I wrote back to leave me alone. Now i Just dump in trash.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)![](/emoticons/hattip.gif)
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,454 posts)it was Ready for Hillary and now it's her campaign.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Haven't gotten anything from the campaign itself by snail mail. Emails? Sure, but I'm a member of my local Democratic Party organization.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)I just discovered you could do this in Android. So unwanted phone calls go right to the list. I never answer phone numbers I don't recognize anyway. But now they are not answered at all.
I have not received any campaign junk mail this time. I would imagine it will start soon.
I don't donate to political campaigns at all.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)well too late I unsubscribed. I won't pay attention to the crazy anti Anita Hill Brock Machine
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)I thought his campaign team may have gotten information from the data base they downloaded.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)He is very definitely not a supporter.
He is a white man, registered Dem and a primary voter living in a zip code that would indicate that statistically, he might be a supporter. So they gave it a shot That is what they call "campaigning". Same thing probably happened to the OP. She "fits the description". Not that hard to figure out...
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)I am bombarded daily with 4-5 e-mails from his campaign. And he always needs money. $2.70 or $27.00.
The address that it goes to is one I have only ever given out to a single entity - Democratic Underground.
annavictorious
(934 posts)then that's probably how they got your address.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)Think I do donate anything to Vicky Hartzler or Roy Blunt? Hell no but I still get mail all the time. You vote, you register to vote, you live in certain districts,etc-you get mailers. It's not a conspiracy. Don't turn it into one.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)and where it has space for my comments - I let them have it. Then I happily mail it back - without that stamp that helps them "save much needed funds." They know who they can ask for a stamp.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Yet I get zero reg. mails from Bernie and regular junk mail from Camp Clinton.
To quote Ricky Ricardo.... "I got a sinkin' fillin' ".... someone's not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Another "I won't vote if my candidate doesn't win" has me on ignore.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)when a candidate sends her junk mail. Probably not a big loss....
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Clintonista White Water email scandal Benghazi. Oh, she got access to publicly available records. This just proves she is part of the Illuminati I am a Sanders supporter, but I understand math, and also understand that we can't have a republican name the next 2 or 3 SC justices. Either of our candidates on their worst day is 100 times better than the competition.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Presidential candidate I didn't first donate to or volunteer for. I don't particularly care if you're bothered by my question. Candidates that go around saying they don't need voters shouldn't be stupid enough to turn around and beg them for money. It's fucking ridiculous.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)If you have, those lists are bought and sold. Don't ever get into media. This year at one point I was getting emails from 15 presidential candidates...now that is fun...real fun
peace13
(11,076 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)I've never seen so many posts on DU and elsewhere on the Interwebs by people who have little to no knowledge of how the political process actually works.
Everything I've seen about grand conspiracies, cheating, voter suppression shows just how uneducated people are about how out current political process works.
My point being is this: if you don't know how it really works, how do you expect to change it?
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)hence my comment but since I've been blocked for speaking the truth, you won't see this.
countingbluecars
(4,766 posts)I get unsolicited mail from political campaigns, insurance companies, credit card companies, plumbing companies, merchandisers, etc. etc. That's life.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Simultaneously begging them for money. It's a false equivalence.