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Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I was a Republican until 1980, and then a Libertarian for about 5 years, and then I quit being an idiot.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I assume it will happen soon.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)to post here, or to donate to get a star, stuff like that. There are a lot of non democrat members here.
Have Skinner ban my friend if he bothers you so much.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)So, you might want to help him get his affairs in order.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)Winning elections is important therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.
I also see you missed reading this from the OP
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)knew exactly what he was writing.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)that's decidedly worse than being a Green voter. Republicans are a racist, homophobic Party of economic pillage. Anyone who ever voted with them has zero standing to criticize those who never have. Conservatives 'change Parties' at times but obviously they remain conservative.
Tommy_Carcetti
(44,499 posts)What does "vote to block" mean?
Is this Hollywood Squares?
Autumn
(48,962 posts)what the OP wrote.
savalez
(3,517 posts)that s/he misspelled "instaed"?
Autumn
(48,962 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I honestly and truly hope the poster can actually accomplish the goal he boasts of, but right now, he resembles a "former smoker" with a cigarette and lighter in hand, saying each time, "THIS IS THE LAST ONE!"
Meanwhile, although the goal is good and would lead to better health if accomplished, such "former smokes" instead increase their daily pack a day input to two, then three, while still hoping the exclamation made when lighting up is the same as actually quitting.
I was a smoker for a long time and went through such a phase (the "this is my last cig" thing in perpetuity) until I got married, and my wonderful wife, filled something within me, a missing part of my soul perhaps, that made becoming a non-smoker rather easy after the initial three week physical withdrawal. (she was a yoga girl on an excellent organic diet which gave her a certain glow of health I liked and admired as well as a heart that was radiant, positive and rare in such an unkind world.)
She only had to ask, she made no demand, just simply asked, assuring me that even if she hated the smell, and the threat to my health which concerned her greatly, she would still marry me and accept me for my other qualities that she felt outweighed my many flaws, that being but one.
In the end, after years with her, before she died, she had allowed me to shed so many of those flaws by her very presence and nature, her radiant example if you will, that I became a much better man before her unfortunate death.
I think perhaps that poster has that bit of emptiness within the soul, that needs must be filled by something positive, before true change rather the claim of such can take hold.
I actually wish him/her well on the journey and hope that hole is one day filled.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Meanwhile I had a hide about a post that I thought was satire (it was that ridiculous) by saying something like, "is that you third way Manny?"
Hides can not always be avoided as they hide completely innocent and non offensive posts often these days (many of the alerters and jurists appear to resemble a cloth clad individual we know that has a unique hair cut, multiple twins and a living to make, so such can be expected).
But innocent posts that do not break the TOS do not result in banishment and so certain measures can, and are, being successfully taken as we both now know.
Hides themselves appear to mean very little these days, I have only had two in six months, but some truly nasty posters, whose posts are consistently rude and offensive and whom are posting daily, have as many as 18 hides (really, but generally among the two dozen I bothered to check now have over 8 hides. Cut that down to a dozen of those two dozen I checked and you see double digits,this is not hyperbole but rather anecdotal truth that I have seen by clicking on a few transparency pages)
We adapt as we must, and I am proud that one of my most recent adaptations has helped to identify at least some of those that are best avoided and only appear to speak from a "script".
This non-violent non-abusive method of identifying such, I believe will reduce incivility and frustration in many cases and so I am quite pleased it is working.
The last thing we need are pointless discussions that prove at best an annoying consumption of time, much like a robocall meant to sell one something all the way up to, the often nasty baiting discussions that only have the goal of finding a reason to get a good member PPR'd.
I a pleased it has worked for you and hope others will adopt such a non abusive, harmless method which has the goal of helping regular members avoid some of our daily frustrations.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)Supposedly things will change after the season so we will see.
ananda
(35,145 posts)Now not so much.
I am strongly leaning to voting Green in the general -- for Jill Steiner.
My Dem vote would be worth squat in Texas anyway. But if Clinton
somehow manages to make it a horse race here, I'll vote for her.
We cannot have Trump in the WH no matter what!
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)to send a forceful and coordinated message to the DNC?
sellitman
(11,745 posts)Even if I did I'm so disgusted with the Party I could not wait.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)needed better terms. Are indies going to protest the Democratic national convention?
2naSalit
(102,795 posts)Don't let the door hit ya on the hiney on yer way out!
thereismore
(13,326 posts)2naSalit
(102,795 posts)Response to thereismore (Reply #21)
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redwitch
(15,261 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and is made up of people with a wide range of ideologies and special issues. The more the better who feel they can work best through the Democratic Party, or who just want to discuss political issues. It was never meant to be a place for anti-Democrats and illiberals to collect and attack Democrats, however.
As for wishing on their way those who are so unhappy that one of our two progressive Democratic candidates is winning the Democratic nomination that they are leaving Democratic Underground, and the Democratic Party if members, sure.
Maybe they'll get happy somewhere else. And, of course, the door's open both ways.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)past and so have Greens. You guys are really pushing a lot of people out of both the Democratic Party and here.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Independent Party is not the biggest party of the three parties that you do not get? There is no reason to stay in the D party anymore for a lot of us who are FDR Democrats.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)from choice. And glad of it.
And you're also just plain wrong in thinking we can push people out of the party or out of DU. Any who leave when the nomination is "called" and they can't badmouth Hillary Clinton any more will do so entirely of their own free choice. They'll no doubt settle in at other sites when they can indulge to their hearts' content. Others will choose to stay. See how it works?
2naSalit
(102,795 posts)was because they started an OP dissing the Democratic Party, seems inappropriate to me.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)there are many of us who are very upset with this whole political situation right now. As a delegate I am going to attend a convention that I know for absolutely certain was already determined before any votes were taken.
It breaks my heart to know that and it does not make me feel any better about the future.
2naSalit
(102,795 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Being a registered Democrat is not necessary here.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You might still vote for the Dem candidate, but I also remember 2000, and the damage that loss caused the country.
savalez
(3,517 posts)OhZone
(3,216 posts)this site is for Democrats, not Greens.
Bye Felicia.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Democrat for practical reasons. We're mostly all on the left pretty much and, in spite of real differences, have a lot in common.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)demmiblue
(39,720 posts)I don't know why so many are getting their britches twisted.
sellitman
(11,745 posts)demmiblue
(39,720 posts)I am not a registered Dem (I live in Michigan... we don't register for a party), but I have voted Dem my whole life.
Why do these people care what you consider yourself politically if the outcome is the same (a +1 for the Dem candidate)?
larkrake
(1,674 posts)democratic than Hillary or any 3rd way follower
alfredo
(60,301 posts)And it seems to have been effective. It has driven a wedge.
The my way or the highway mentality has crept into our ranks. i thought we were above that
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Trajan
(19,089 posts)This revisionism is unworthy of a decent person ....
FDR is the perfect example of a good Democrat, in my view ... While Bernie exemplifies those same qualities, we can all see Hillary Clinton is not such a person ....
Bernie supporters are good Democrats that have been abused by the party AND the Hillary campaign ...
This will not be forgotten ... That is the wedge - The Neoliberal DLC and their minions in the DNC leadership AND the Clinton campaign are the wedge between classic Democratic platform philosophies, as exemplified by FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ, etc, and the voters they purport to represent ...
This is a misrepresentation, pure and simple ...
alfredo
(60,301 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)What a joker you are ...
Thousands of dead soldiers ...
Tens of thousands of dead civilians ....
That's funny as FUCK!
CLICK
alfredo
(60,301 posts)As SoS, she didn't make policy. As senator she was a back bencher.
With or without a vote in congress, bush would have attacked Iraq. Remember, not many in congress got to see the intel, Bush restricted it to the leadership in Congress, and those two houses were controlled by Reps. We don't know what Hillary knew. She should have voted no, but she was senator of NY, and her state was out for blood.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,725 posts)This is DEMOCRATIC Underground
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)and Democratic Party are not one and the same. The first is a principle; the second is a political party.
If this was DEMOCRATIC PARTY Underground, you might have an argument. It isn't. You don't. Read the TOS and get off your high horse.
sellitman
(11,745 posts)People here need to read the whole post and not jump to conclusions. Thanks for being a saner head.
Cheers!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)seems to me you've made a pretty decent choice -- Green by ideology and principle, but crossing the ballot to vote for/against major candidates when necessary. I imagine you have lots of company.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,725 posts)Maybe you should follow your own advice and read the third paragraph of the TOS
Vote for Democrats.
Winning elections is important therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)enlightenment
(8,830 posts)As for the OP, they did not indicate that they wouldn't vote for Dems, at all. Reread what they wrote. In no way were they advocating in favor of Republican nominees - or any candidate.
Simply belonging to the Greens - or to any other political party - or none, for that matter - is irrelevant in the General Election, as you well know.
Yours is an invented outrage with no basis in fact.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)welcome here as long as they are committed to electing Democrats to office.
The real kicker is in that it is meant for "politically liberal people." Although there are far-left liberals, not all on the far left, or even most, are liberal. Many are actually illiberal and hostile to liberals and behave in ways antithetical to liberalism. And of course some registered Democrats are conservatives and libertarians of all stripes, as well as far-left radicals.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)sellitman
(11,745 posts)I didn't think I had to be a Democrat to vote that way in the General election.
Did you actually read my post?
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)comprehension is being aware that not all writers convey their meaning accurately. I understood Sellitman's words themselves well enough but, because of the hostility expressed toward the DNC, just wasn't 100% sure that was what he intended them to mean.
CTyankee
(68,202 posts)people like Bernie who wants to change the system. This might the year there is a revolution of the current structure, in order to attract the Independent voters. Bernie won the cdross over primary in Rhode Islan because. I'm changingmy mind on a party that so narrowily limits potential votes for Independentt voters even when we know full well theyare going to vote for Bernie because they want their voicie count.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,725 posts)Revolutions tend to be messy affairs.
I think that's the reason Bernie is not winning. That and the fact when asked for specifics such as breaking up the banks for example he can't give them.
fizzgig
(24,146 posts)always vote for them, tho.
Major Nikon
(36,925 posts)On Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
I did it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027785297
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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Advocating a third party on our Democratic Board. Should be a TOS.
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He;s already said that he will vote against Republicans come the general, and that means voting for a Democrat.
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Lancero
(3,276 posts)On Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
I did it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027785297
REASON FOR ALERT
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Advocating a third party on our Democratic Board. Should be a TOS.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:40 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: The rule specifies third party canidates, not joining a third party.
He;s already said that he will vote against Republicans come the general, and that means voting for a Democrat.
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Skittles
(171,716 posts)brewens
(15,359 posts)Bernie supporters. We're asking him to.
sellitman
(11,745 posts)Besides, the RW smear machine has nothing on her. Never did.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Not to mention intensely hypocritical. Will you be taking your bag of rocks elsewhere now or continue indulging here until the primary is called?
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)On Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:31 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Still not too late.
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breaking the "don't be a dick" rule
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dixiegrrrrl
(60,161 posts)I sure hope everyone is gonna remember what happened this election cycle.
The middle class has shrank under thirdway policies.
We're getting ready to do it all over again for the third time.
No one freaking remembers anything.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Have to be an Ideologue. It's a sign of immaturity and group think.
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DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)sellitman
(11,745 posts)No way can I let a Right wing luny get in.
My post if anyone cares is a protest against Wasserman Shultz and the RW leaners in the DNC
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)stopwastingmymoney
(2,347 posts)Yeah, the Purists are bothered all right. What they should be bothered by is how low their party has sunk. It resembles nothing I've known for almost 60 years.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)FDR and the Dust Bowl. Republicans didn't run, and if they did, they risked their lives. I saw one that dared to put his sign on the side of his vehicle, which had a couple of 6 year olds standing up in the bed) peppered with shotgun pellets. Free speech wasn't really big back then either.
(It's astounding how whole states can lose their memory of how they only got through the adversity of the dust bowl and the depression because they cooperated with each other, and turn into the selfish bigots they are today.).
It was in '71 the parents, the Democrats I grew up with, showed up at our high school and incited their kids to riot, helping them beat and chase the black kids daring to be bussed by the state to "their" schools across town. They turned over a bus.
I was already on the outside of the majority back then, so I mostly just left. I dropped out of HS in '71, got a GED and went in the Navy's nuclear program. It was safer. Went back to the University later when it was a little calmer.
Mrs. Clinton said "hearts don't change, not really". She at least got that right. Our generation, the kids who were supposed to be more conscious of race and oppression, didn't turn over buses. We hurt people with law and pretended to be better. Profiting from the worst in people, she and Bill are quite happy to mine the gold he got from pandering to people's mistaken belief that black folks were the cause of our problems, should lose their relief, and sent more to prison.
Didn't do jack shit to bring white people to account for their behavior. Hillary was at least right about the heart thing. You can't expect people to surpass their training.
I have a pen which will only write "Bernie Sanders". Weirdest thing.
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)on May 18, 2016 - a day after I vote for Bernie.
But it will be either non-affliated (like I've been for the past 12 year) or join the Working Family Party.
sellitman
(11,745 posts)Day after I voted.
I probably should of left mine unaffiliated but I didn't see the real difference. My protest works either way.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Does that mean you intend to vote for Democratic candidates, or does "vote to block" mean you'll simply mark your ballot for any candidate other than a Republican?
Just trying to get an idea of what "vote to block" means to you.
sellitman
(11,745 posts)Leaving the Party is meant to send a signal to the Democratic Leaders that they are ruining a once great party
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)"I will vote for the Democratic nominee."
See the difference?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Lancero
(3,276 posts)If you disagree with that, take it up with the owner.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Democrat."
J/S.
Lancero
(3,276 posts)The site purged pro-lgbt members in the past - Wonder what group will get the chopping block this time?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(44,499 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)coyote
(1,561 posts)then maybe will the party do some soul-searching and reflect why many good people are leaving. However, I won't be holding my breath for that. I left the party already and registered as an independent.
Good for you. You have my respect.
mercuryblues
(16,413 posts)I understand this right.
In protest that some states have closed primaries, you have changed your voter registration to a 3rd party. Guaranteeing that you can't vote in a primary again.
sellitman
(11,745 posts)Bernie was blocked from the start.
Yes I will not be able to vote in Primaries here in CT. If the DNC's Corporate Interests aren't met they will do anything possible to block a real Progressive anyhow so what's the point of a Primary if their choice is pre-ordained? If they want to be inclusive they sure have a funny way of showing it.
I see many here have their nickers up around their heads over my post and need to see me re-word my statement on who I will vote for in the General. To make these DUers happy:
I unequivocally State that in the General Election I will vote for The Democratic Candidate.
CTyankee
(68,202 posts)My husband works at the polls and he was voting for HRC. But he gave me my ballot with a smile anyway! I have two good friends and several family members who are also voting for Hillary. Hubby gives me a few zingers now and then but mostly we keep away from the subject...
sellitman
(11,745 posts)About 20 feet from Bernie.
CTyankee
(68,202 posts)watch on TV.
Since you are a Yalie, which college did you attend? I don't have any favorites but I ike the revieryin a way....
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)Andrew Jackson. Maybe I should leave over that reason. But I am not going to worry about it, he can't vote now anyway.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)My state did it for me when they ended registration by party. Now, I'm whatever I say I am.
hunter
(40,691 posts)Hopefully the Republican Party will destroy itself, and then the Democratic Party can split into liberal and conservative factions. That's sort of the way it works in California now.
Oh, and FUCK RALPH NADER.
