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sellitman

(11,745 posts)
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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original Post) sellitman Apr 2016 OP
Fuckin' A, dude! Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #1
Someday you might learn how to say I quit being an idiot, instaed of I then I quit being an idiot Autumn Apr 2016 #3
Grammar nazi? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #8
Rude Nazi? Autumn Apr 2016 #10
Your friend who authored the OP needs to leave. Now. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #14
No he doesn't have to leave the site. You don't have to belong to the democratic party Autumn Apr 2016 #20
Au contraire! Openly supporting another political party on this board is a violation of the TOS. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #24
Oh my friend you are so misinformed. The TOS does not require you be a democrat. Autumn Apr 2016 #34
Ahem. "Vote to block" would, in the past, presumably have included a vote for Nader. Capisce? The OP WinkyDink Apr 2016 #77
Good thing Naders not running then. nt Autumn Apr 2016 #92
But the poster whining about the OP says he was a Republican voter in the past, so Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #101
Perhaps the OP will clarify after he/she is done crucifying him/herself for our sins. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #82
They will vote for the democrat to keep a republican out. No clarification needed if you read Autumn Apr 2016 #91
Did you notice savalez Apr 2016 #12
Yeah and I caught it too Autumn Apr 2016 #15
OH, I NOTICED!!!! savalez Apr 2016 #16
I am too courteous to say anything. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #19
Sometimes when one backslides, they do it hard, it is most unfortunate. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #28
How are you? I tried that little "." thing we discussed the other day, it worked well. Autumn Apr 2016 #38
I'm as well as can be expected. I love that thing! Also, it is good to see you. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #44
One particularly nasty "." got banned today. I would like to see that take hold. Autumn Apr 2016 #45
There was a time when it was good and smart to be a Democrat. ananda Apr 2016 #48
I'm Texan too, so please let us do whatever possible to shame Texas republicans. Jim Beard Apr 2016 #65
I thought the mass Indie Independence Day was scheduled for late July JimDandy Apr 2016 #2
I didn't hear that. sellitman Apr 2016 #25
What is this, JimDandy? I searched but apparently Hortensis Apr 2016 #89
Buh bye Cary Apr 2016 #4
Then you don't belong here on DU... bye! 2naSalit Apr 2016 #5
Another one for the ignore bin. Bye. nt thereismore Apr 2016 #21
I know you can't see this 2naSalit Apr 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author carolinayellowdog Apr 2016 #104
There are a lot of independents and greens here. nt redwitch Apr 2016 #27
Sure. The Democratic Party is the genuine big tent Hortensis Apr 2016 #90
New rule? Independents have always been welcome in the jwirr Apr 2016 #50
What of "dropped out of the Democratic Party" do you not get? WinkyDink Apr 2016 #72
Not a damned thing. What is it about the fact that the jwirr Apr 2016 #103
Jwirr, you do OP an injustice. He's leaving Hortensis Apr 2016 #95
The reason I said that 2naSalit Apr 2016 #107
I guess that in that you are closer to right than I am but jwirr Apr 2016 #109
Understood.......nt 2naSalit Apr 2016 #114
Actually, that is not true Marrah_G Apr 2016 #70
Did I make it in before the ban? linuxman Apr 2016 #6
Bye, bye. HuckleB Apr 2016 #7
Yay! Now leave here too. savalez Apr 2016 #9
Seriously - OhZone Apr 2016 #11
Seriously, though, a lot of Greens end up voting Hortensis Apr 2016 #96
Bye. This is Democratic Underground leftofcool Apr 2016 #13
I will also vote to block the Republican nominee. demmiblue Apr 2016 #17
Nice to see someone here can read. sellitman Apr 2016 #23
I don't get it. demmiblue Apr 2016 #32
it is democratic underground, it is not democratic party underground. Bernie and I are far more larkrake Apr 2016 #46
There was so much false propaganda aimed at Hillary, alfredo Apr 2016 #58
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #62
Much of the accusations against Hillary are completely true Trajan Apr 2016 #102
Yep, she killed Vince Foster too alfredo Apr 2016 #105
That's what you came back with? Trajan Apr 2016 #115
Hillary hatred just seems so irrational alfredo Apr 2016 #116
That's what all the Naderites said. WinkyDink Apr 2016 #79
Buh bye Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #18
Democratic enlightenment Apr 2016 #22
Thanks. sellitman Apr 2016 #29
I wasn't 100% sure what you meant, Sellitman, but Hortensis Apr 2016 #98
I have read the terms of service and have been a member since 2003 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #36
Who in this thread advocated for a Republican or spoiler candidate? ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2016 #59
You've got me beat by a year on DU. Whoopie. enlightenment Apr 2016 #63
Pro-democracy independents or whatever are of course Hortensis Apr 2016 #97
But this is DEMOCRATIC Underground liberal N proud Apr 2016 #26
Excuse me? sellitman Apr 2016 #31
I think the trouble is in the comprehension. Fuddnik Apr 2016 #49
Goes both ways. Part of having good reading Hortensis Apr 2016 #99
golf clap Egnever Apr 2016 #33
I am wondering that the two major party structure gets in the way of some of CTyankee Apr 2016 #35
Maybe more people are after evolution as opposed to revolution? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #60
Buh bye. stopbush Apr 2016 #37
i've never been a registered dem fizzgig Apr 2016 #39
Results... Major Nikon Apr 2016 #40
. Brickbat Apr 2016 #41
Jury results, 2-5 leave Lancero Apr 2016 #42
Kay. Bye. Squinch Apr 2016 #43
did you take your ball with you? Skittles Apr 2016 #47
If someone gets indicted and cuffed and stuffed, you might be sorry. Hang in there brewens Apr 2016 #51
I already voted in my Primary sellitman Apr 2016 #67
Now, that's so completely wrong that it is itself a smear. Hortensis Apr 2016 #100
And The Jury Says.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2016 #52
Perhaps this is the start of more than 2 parties again. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2016 #53
Nope. Phlem Apr 2016 #56
Oh goodie, cheering on the Leftwing Teabaggers. Can't work in a coalition KittyWampus Apr 2016 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #54
As long as you help block anyone in the GOP, no complaints from me! DawgHouse Apr 2016 #55
Glad a few around here pay attention. sellitman Apr 2016 #68
I read the replies. You turn from this warm bosom of friendship and love? I'm aghast. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2016 #57
Lol, that wins DU for me tonight, nt stopwastingmymoney Apr 2016 #64
lol sellitman Apr 2016 #69
I grew up on the southside of Oklahoma City. It was a veritable sea of Democrats, a vestige of jtuck004 Apr 2016 #93
I will do it Pastiche423 Apr 2016 #61
That's what I did sellitman Apr 2016 #71
By saying you'll "vote to block" Republican candidates... VOX Apr 2016 #66
It means I may have to vote holding my nose again sellitman Apr 2016 #73
No; it means you deliberately used equivocating language. Don't kid a kidder. WinkyDink Apr 2016 #75
DU ToS: "[W]hen general election season begins, DU members must support [the] Democratic nominee." WinkyDink Apr 2016 #74
Skinner: "Therefore it is still primary election season on DU." Lancero Apr 2016 #76
i am not calendar-challenged. I also know that "vote to block" is not synonymous with "vote for the WinkyDink Apr 2016 #78
Looks like people are starting to call for another purge. Lancero Apr 2016 #80
Pro-LBGT wasn't the only purge. Bernie supporters will be next. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #83
You want a cookie or something? nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #81
Many "democrats" here are so filled with hate they don't resemble Democrats anymore. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #84
+1000. (nt) Paladin Apr 2016 #85
Congratulations! Perhaps if enough people leave, coyote Apr 2016 #86
Let me see if mercuryblues Apr 2016 #88
Was there really a choice? sellitman Apr 2016 #94
I was so happy to vote for Bernie yesterday here in new haven! CTyankee Apr 2016 #106
I was on the Green on Sunday sellitman Apr 2016 #110
How was it? I was going to but health issues and the parking bans persuaded me tojust CTyankee Apr 2016 #111
Even kicking out the first Democrat Jim Beard Apr 2016 #108
I didn't have to change my registration to become a Green. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #112
Like it or not, the U.S.A. is not a parliamentary system. The Green Party is devalued. hunter Apr 2016 #113
Booo Liberal_in_LA Apr 2016 #117
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
1. Fuckin' A, dude!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:41 PM
Apr 2016

I was a Republican until 1980, and then a Libertarian for about 5 years, and then I quit being an idiot.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
3. Someday you might learn how to say I quit being an idiot, instaed of I then I quit being an idiot
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:46 PM
Apr 2016
You can do it, I know you can.
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
8. Grammar nazi?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:55 PM
Apr 2016

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
10. Rude Nazi?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016
What's up with that?
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
14. Your friend who authored the OP needs to leave. Now.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:01 PM
Apr 2016

I assume it will happen soon.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
20. No he doesn't have to leave the site. You don't have to belong to the democratic party
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:06 PM
Apr 2016

to post here, or to donate to get a star, stuff like that. There are a lot of non democrat members here. Have Skinner ban my friend if he bothers you so much.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
24. Au contraire! Openly supporting another political party on this board is a violation of the TOS.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:15 PM
Apr 2016

So, you might want to help him get his affairs in order.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
34. Oh my friend you are so misinformed. The TOS does not require you be a democrat.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:22 PM
Apr 2016
Vote for Democrats.
Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.


I also see you missed reading this from the OP
I will vote to block anyone in the Republican Party.
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
77. Ahem. "Vote to block" would, in the past, presumably have included a vote for Nader. Capisce? The OP
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:52 AM
Apr 2016

knew exactly what he was writing.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
92. Good thing Naders not running then. nt
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:42 AM
Apr 2016
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
101. But the poster whining about the OP says he was a Republican voter in the past, so
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

that's decidedly worse than being a Green voter. Republicans are a racist, homophobic Party of economic pillage. Anyone who ever voted with them has zero standing to criticize those who never have. Conservatives 'change Parties' at times but obviously they remain conservative.

Tommy_Carcetti

(44,499 posts)
82. Perhaps the OP will clarify after he/she is done crucifying him/herself for our sins.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:15 AM
Apr 2016

What does "vote to block" mean?

Is this Hollywood Squares?

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
91. They will vote for the democrat to keep a republican out. No clarification needed if you read
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:40 AM
Apr 2016

what the OP wrote.

savalez

(3,517 posts)
12. Did you notice
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

that s/he misspelled "instaed"?

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
15. Yeah and I caught it too
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:02 PM
Apr 2016
Did you notice you don't have to be a registered democrat to belong to this site?

savalez

(3,517 posts)
16. OH, I NOTICED!!!!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:03 PM
Apr 2016
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
19. I am too courteous to say anything.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:05 PM
Apr 2016

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
28. Sometimes when one backslides, they do it hard, it is most unfortunate.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:19 PM
Apr 2016

I honestly and truly hope the poster can actually accomplish the goal he boasts of, but right now, he resembles a "former smoker" with a cigarette and lighter in hand, saying each time, "THIS IS THE LAST ONE!"

Meanwhile, although the goal is good and would lead to better health if accomplished, such "former smokes" instead increase their daily pack a day input to two, then three, while still hoping the exclamation made when lighting up is the same as actually quitting.

I was a smoker for a long time and went through such a phase (the "this is my last cig" thing in perpetuity) until I got married, and my wonderful wife, filled something within me, a missing part of my soul perhaps, that made becoming a non-smoker rather easy after the initial three week physical withdrawal. (she was a yoga girl on an excellent organic diet which gave her a certain glow of health I liked and admired as well as a heart that was radiant, positive and rare in such an unkind world.)

She only had to ask, she made no demand, just simply asked, assuring me that even if she hated the smell, and the threat to my health which concerned her greatly, she would still marry me and accept me for my other qualities that she felt outweighed my many flaws, that being but one.

In the end, after years with her, before she died, she had allowed me to shed so many of those flaws by her very presence and nature, her radiant example if you will, that I became a much better man before her unfortunate death.


I think perhaps that poster has that bit of emptiness within the soul, that needs must be filled by something positive, before true change rather the claim of such can take hold.

I actually wish him/her well on the journey and hope that hole is one day filled.


Autumn

(48,962 posts)
38. How are you? I tried that little "." thing we discussed the other day, it worked well.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:29 PM
Apr 2016
It is indeed hard for many to not backslide but I think it will be easier with time.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
44. I'm as well as can be expected. I love that thing! Also, it is good to see you.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:03 PM
Apr 2016

Meanwhile I had a hide about a post that I thought was satire (it was that ridiculous) by saying something like, "is that you third way Manny?"

Hides can not always be avoided as they hide completely innocent and non offensive posts often these days (many of the alerters and jurists appear to resemble a cloth clad individual we know that has a unique hair cut, multiple twins and a living to make, so such can be expected).

But innocent posts that do not break the TOS do not result in banishment and so certain measures can, and are, being successfully taken as we both now know.

Hides themselves appear to mean very little these days, I have only had two in six months, but some truly nasty posters, whose posts are consistently rude and offensive and whom are posting daily, have as many as 18 hides (really, but generally among the two dozen I bothered to check now have over 8 hides. Cut that down to a dozen of those two dozen I checked and you see double digits,this is not hyperbole but rather anecdotal truth that I have seen by clicking on a few transparency pages)

We adapt as we must, and I am proud that one of my most recent adaptations has helped to identify at least some of those that are best avoided and only appear to speak from a "script".

This non-violent non-abusive method of identifying such, I believe will reduce incivility and frustration in many cases and so I am quite pleased it is working.

The last thing we need are pointless discussions that prove at best an annoying consumption of time, much like a robocall meant to sell one something all the way up to, the often nasty baiting discussions that only have the goal of finding a reason to get a good member PPR'd.

I a pleased it has worked for you and hope others will adopt such a non abusive, harmless method which has the goal of helping regular members avoid some of our daily frustrations.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
45. One particularly nasty "." got banned today. I would like to see that take hold.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:09 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511846008

Supposedly things will change after the season so we will see.


ananda

(35,145 posts)
48. There was a time when it was good and smart to be a Democrat.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:31 PM
Apr 2016

Now not so much.

I am strongly leaning to voting Green in the general -- for Jill Steiner.

My Dem vote would be worth squat in Texas anyway. But if Clinton
somehow manages to make it a horse race here, I'll vote for her.

We cannot have Trump in the WH no matter what!

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
65. I'm Texan too, so please let us do whatever possible to shame Texas republicans.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:59 AM
Apr 2016

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
2. I thought the mass Indie Independence Day was scheduled for late July
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:43 PM
Apr 2016

to send a forceful and coordinated message to the DNC?

sellitman

(11,745 posts)
25. I didn't hear that.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:18 PM
Apr 2016

Even if I did I'm so disgusted with the Party I could not wait.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
89. What is this, JimDandy? I searched but apparently
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

needed better terms. Are indies going to protest the Democratic national convention?

Cary

(11,746 posts)
4. Buh bye
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:50 PM
Apr 2016

2naSalit

(102,795 posts)
5. Then you don't belong here on DU... bye!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:53 PM
Apr 2016

Don't let the door hit ya on the hiney on yer way out!

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
21. Another one for the ignore bin. Bye. nt
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:07 PM
Apr 2016

2naSalit

(102,795 posts)
30. I know you can't see this
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:21 PM
Apr 2016

Response to thereismore (Reply #21)

redwitch

(15,261 posts)
27. There are a lot of independents and greens here. nt
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:19 PM
Apr 2016

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
90. Sure. The Democratic Party is the genuine big tent
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:38 AM
Apr 2016

and is made up of people with a wide range of ideologies and special issues. The more the better who feel they can work best through the Democratic Party, or who just want to discuss political issues. It was never meant to be a place for anti-Democrats and illiberals to collect and attack Democrats, however.

As for wishing on their way those who are so unhappy that one of our two progressive Democratic candidates is winning the Democratic nomination that they are leaving Democratic Underground, and the Democratic Party if members, sure. Maybe they'll get happy somewhere else. And, of course, the door's open both ways.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
50. New rule? Independents have always been welcome in the
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:41 PM
Apr 2016

past and so have Greens. You guys are really pushing a lot of people out of both the Democratic Party and here.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
72. What of "dropped out of the Democratic Party" do you not get?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:40 AM
Apr 2016

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
103. Not a damned thing. What is it about the fact that the
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:04 AM
Apr 2016

Independent Party is not the biggest party of the three parties that you do not get? There is no reason to stay in the D party anymore for a lot of us who are FDR Democrats.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
95. Jwirr, you do OP an injustice. He's leaving
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:48 AM
Apr 2016

from choice. And glad of it.

And you're also just plain wrong in thinking we can push people out of the party or out of DU. Any who leave when the nomination is "called" and they can't badmouth Hillary Clinton any more will do so entirely of their own free choice. They'll no doubt settle in at other sites when they can indulge to their hearts' content. Others will choose to stay. See how it works?

2naSalit

(102,795 posts)
107. The reason I said that
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:12 PM
Apr 2016

was because they started an OP dissing the Democratic Party, seems inappropriate to me.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
109. I guess that in that you are closer to right than I am but
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:22 PM
Apr 2016

there are many of us who are very upset with this whole political situation right now. As a delegate I am going to attend a convention that I know for absolutely certain was already determined before any votes were taken.

It breaks my heart to know that and it does not make me feel any better about the future.

2naSalit

(102,795 posts)
114. Understood.......nt
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:24 PM
Apr 2016

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
70. Actually, that is not true
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:38 AM
Apr 2016

Being a registered Democrat is not necessary here.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
6. Did I make it in before the ban?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:53 PM
Apr 2016

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
7. Bye, bye.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:55 PM
Apr 2016

You might still vote for the Dem candidate, but I also remember 2000, and the damage that loss caused the country.

savalez

(3,517 posts)
9. Yay! Now leave here too.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:57 PM
Apr 2016

OhZone

(3,216 posts)
11. Seriously -
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

this site is for Democrats, not Greens.

Bye Felicia.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
96. Seriously, though, a lot of Greens end up voting
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

Democrat for practical reasons. We're mostly all on the left pretty much and, in spite of real differences, have a lot in common.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
13. Bye. This is Democratic Underground
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:59 PM
Apr 2016

demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
17. I will also vote to block the Republican nominee.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:04 PM
Apr 2016

I don't know why so many are getting their britches twisted.

sellitman

(11,745 posts)
23. Nice to see someone here can read.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:14 PM
Apr 2016

demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
32. I don't get it.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:21 PM
Apr 2016

I am not a registered Dem (I live in Michigan... we don't register for a party), but I have voted Dem my whole life.

Why do these people care what you consider yourself politically if the outcome is the same (a +1 for the Dem candidate)?

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
46. it is democratic underground, it is not democratic party underground. Bernie and I are far more
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:16 PM
Apr 2016

democratic than Hillary or any 3rd way follower

alfredo

(60,301 posts)
58. There was so much false propaganda aimed at Hillary,
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:42 PM
Apr 2016

And it seems to have been effective. It has driven a wedge.

The my way or the highway mentality has crept into our ranks. i thought we were above that

Response to alfredo (Reply #58)

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
102. Much of the accusations against Hillary are completely true
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:48 AM
Apr 2016

This revisionism is unworthy of a decent person ....

FDR is the perfect example of a good Democrat, in my view ... While Bernie exemplifies those same qualities, we can all see Hillary Clinton is not such a person ....

Bernie supporters are good Democrats that have been abused by the party AND the Hillary campaign ...

This will not be forgotten ... That is the wedge - The Neoliberal DLC and their minions in the DNC leadership AND the Clinton campaign are the wedge between classic Democratic platform philosophies, as exemplified by FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ, etc, and the voters they purport to represent ...

This is a misrepresentation, pure and simple ...

alfredo

(60,301 posts)
105. Yep, she killed Vince Foster too
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:02 PM
Apr 2016
 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
115. That's what you came back with?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:30 PM
Apr 2016

What a joker you are ...

Thousands of dead soldiers ...

Tens of thousands of dead civilians ....

That's funny as FUCK!

CLICK

alfredo

(60,301 posts)
116. Hillary hatred just seems so irrational
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

As SoS, she didn't make policy. As senator she was a back bencher.

With or without a vote in congress, bush would have attacked Iraq. Remember, not many in congress got to see the intel, Bush restricted it to the leadership in Congress, and those two houses were controlled by Reps. We don't know what Hillary knew. She should have voted no, but she was senator of NY, and her state was out for blood.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
79. That's what all the Naderites said.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:55 AM
Apr 2016

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,725 posts)
18. Buh bye
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:04 PM
Apr 2016

This is DEMOCRATIC Underground

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
22. Democratic
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:12 PM
Apr 2016

and Democratic Party are not one and the same. The first is a principle; the second is a political party.

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office.


If this was DEMOCRATIC PARTY Underground, you might have an argument. It isn't. You don't. Read the TOS and get off your high horse.

sellitman

(11,745 posts)
29. Thanks.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:19 PM
Apr 2016

People here need to read the whole post and not jump to conclusions. Thanks for being a saner head.

Cheers!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
98. I wasn't 100% sure what you meant, Sellitman, but
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:10 AM
Apr 2016

seems to me you've made a pretty decent choice -- Green by ideology and principle, but crossing the ballot to vote for/against major candidates when necessary. I imagine you have lots of company.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,725 posts)
36. I have read the terms of service and have been a member since 2003
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:23 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe you should follow your own advice and read the third paragraph of the TOS

Vote for Democrats.

Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
59. Who in this thread advocated for a Republican or spoiler candidate?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:48 PM
Apr 2016

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
63. You've got me beat by a year on DU. Whoopie.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:15 AM
Apr 2016

As for the OP, they did not indicate that they wouldn't vote for Dems, at all. Reread what they wrote. In no way were they advocating in favor of Republican nominees - or any candidate.

Simply belonging to the Greens - or to any other political party - or none, for that matter - is irrelevant in the General Election, as you well know.

Yours is an invented outrage with no basis in fact.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
97. Pro-democracy independents or whatever are of course
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:05 AM
Apr 2016

welcome here as long as they are committed to electing Democrats to office.

The real kicker is in that it is meant for "politically liberal people." Although there are far-left liberals, not all on the far left, or even most, are liberal. Many are actually illiberal and hostile to liberals and behave in ways antithetical to liberalism. And of course some registered Democrats are conservatives and libertarians of all stripes, as well as far-left radicals.

liberal N proud

(61,194 posts)
26. But this is DEMOCRATIC Underground
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:18 PM
Apr 2016

sellitman

(11,745 posts)
31. Excuse me?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:21 PM
Apr 2016

I didn't think I had to be a Democrat to vote that way in the General election.

Did you actually read my post?

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
49. I think the trouble is in the comprehension.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:33 PM
Apr 2016

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
99. Goes both ways. Part of having good reading
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:14 AM
Apr 2016

comprehension is being aware that not all writers convey their meaning accurately. I understood Sellitman's words themselves well enough but, because of the hostility expressed toward the DNC, just wasn't 100% sure that was what he intended them to mean.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
33. golf clap
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:21 PM
Apr 2016

CTyankee

(68,202 posts)
35. I am wondering that the two major party structure gets in the way of some of
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:22 PM
Apr 2016

people like Bernie who wants to change the system. This might the year there is a revolution of the current structure, in order to attract the Independent voters. Bernie won the cdross over primary in Rhode Islan because. I'm changingmy mind on a party that so narrowily limits potential votes for Independentt voters even when we know full well theyare going to vote for Bernie because they want their voicie count.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,725 posts)
60. Maybe more people are after evolution as opposed to revolution?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:06 AM
Apr 2016

Revolutions tend to be messy affairs.

I think that's the reason Bernie is not winning. That and the fact when asked for specifics such as breaking up the banks for example he can't give them.

stopbush

(24,808 posts)
37. Buh bye.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:27 PM
Apr 2016

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
39. i've never been a registered dem
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:34 PM
Apr 2016

always vote for them, tho.

Major Nikon

(36,925 posts)
40. Results...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:41 PM
Apr 2016

On Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I did it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027785297

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Advocating a third party on our Democratic Board. Should be a TOS.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:40 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Much has happened here. This is a simple expression and not a threat to the board or the Democratic Party.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The rule specifies third party canidates, not joining a third party.

He;s already said that he will vote against Republicans come the general, and that means voting for a Democrat.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with alert.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
41. .
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:42 PM
Apr 2016

Lancero

(3,276 posts)
42. Jury results, 2-5 leave
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:43 PM
Apr 2016

On Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I did it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027785297

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Advocating a third party on our Democratic Board. Should be a TOS.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:40 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Much has happened here. This is a simple expression and not a threat to the board or the Democratic Party.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The rule specifies third party canidates, not joining a third party.

He;s already said that he will vote against Republicans come the general, and that means voting for a Democrat.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with alert.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Squinch

(59,522 posts)
43. Kay. Bye.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:47 PM
Apr 2016

Skittles

(171,716 posts)
47. did you take your ball with you?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016
 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
51. If someone gets indicted and cuffed and stuffed, you might be sorry. Hang in there
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:48 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie supporters. We're asking him to.

sellitman

(11,745 posts)
67. I already voted in my Primary
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:28 AM
Apr 2016

Besides, the RW smear machine has nothing on her. Never did.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
100. Now, that's so completely wrong that it is itself a smear.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:22 AM
Apr 2016

Not to mention intensely hypocritical. Will you be taking your bag of rocks elsewhere now or continue indulging here until the primary is called?

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
52. And The Jury Says....
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:53 PM
Apr 2016

On Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:31 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Still not too late.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=10180

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

breaking the "don't be a dick" rule

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:49 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So, we are "alerting" folks for electing to be a part of the PROGRESSIVE LEANING Green Party? Really? -- LEAVE IT!
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Somebody is butt-hurt. Leave it.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,161 posts)
53. Perhaps this is the start of more than 2 parties again.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:08 PM
Apr 2016

I sure hope everyone is gonna remember what happened this election cycle.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
56. Nope.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:25 PM
Apr 2016

The middle class has shrank under thirdway policies.

We're getting ready to do it all over again for the third time.

No one freaking remembers anything.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
87. Oh goodie, cheering on the Leftwing Teabaggers. Can't work in a coalition
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:58 AM
Apr 2016

Have to be an Ideologue. It's a sign of immaturity and group think.

Response to sellitman (Original post)

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)
55. As long as you help block anyone in the GOP, no complaints from me!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:17 PM
Apr 2016

sellitman

(11,745 posts)
68. Glad a few around here pay attention.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:31 AM
Apr 2016

No way can I let a Right wing luny get in.

My post if anyone cares is a protest against Wasserman Shultz and the RW leaners in the DNC

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
57. I read the replies. You turn from this warm bosom of friendship and love? I'm aghast. n/t
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:33 PM
Apr 2016

stopwastingmymoney

(2,347 posts)
64. Lol, that wins DU for me tonight, nt
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:49 AM
Apr 2016

sellitman

(11,745 posts)
69. lol
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:36 AM
Apr 2016

Yeah, the Purists are bothered all right. What they should be bothered by is how low their party has sunk. It resembles nothing I've known for almost 60 years.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
93. I grew up on the southside of Oklahoma City. It was a veritable sea of Democrats, a vestige of
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:44 AM
Apr 2016

FDR and the Dust Bowl. Republicans didn't run, and if they did, they risked their lives. I saw one that dared to put his sign on the side of his vehicle, which had a couple of 6 year olds standing up in the bed) peppered with shotgun pellets. Free speech wasn't really big back then either.

(It's astounding how whole states can lose their memory of how they only got through the adversity of the dust bowl and the depression because they cooperated with each other, and turn into the selfish bigots they are today.).

It was in '71 the parents, the Democrats I grew up with, showed up at our high school and incited their kids to riot, helping them beat and chase the black kids daring to be bussed by the state to "their" schools across town. They turned over a bus.

I was already on the outside of the majority back then, so I mostly just left. I dropped out of HS in '71, got a GED and went in the Navy's nuclear program. It was safer. Went back to the University later when it was a little calmer.

Mrs. Clinton said "hearts don't change, not really". She at least got that right. Our generation, the kids who were supposed to be more conscious of race and oppression, didn't turn over buses. We hurt people with law and pretended to be better. Profiting from the worst in people, she and Bill are quite happy to mine the gold he got from pandering to people's mistaken belief that black folks were the cause of our problems, should lose their relief, and sent more to prison.

Didn't do jack shit to bring white people to account for their behavior. Hillary was at least right about the heart thing. You can't expect people to surpass their training.

I have a pen which will only write "Bernie Sanders". Weirdest thing.

Pastiche423

(15,406 posts)
61. I will do it
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:06 AM
Apr 2016

on May 18, 2016 - a day after I vote for Bernie.

But it will be either non-affliated (like I've been for the past 12 year) or join the Working Family Party.

sellitman

(11,745 posts)
71. That's what I did
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:39 AM
Apr 2016

Day after I voted.

I probably should of left mine unaffiliated but I didn't see the real difference. My protest works either way.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
66. By saying you'll "vote to block" Republican candidates...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:45 AM
Apr 2016

Does that mean you intend to vote for Democratic candidates, or does "vote to block" mean you'll simply mark your ballot for any candidate other than a Republican?

Just trying to get an idea of what "vote to block" means to you.

sellitman

(11,745 posts)
73. It means I may have to vote holding my nose again
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:42 AM
Apr 2016

Leaving the Party is meant to send a signal to the Democratic Leaders that they are ruining a once great party

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
75. No; it means you deliberately used equivocating language. Don't kid a kidder.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:50 AM
Apr 2016

"I will vote for the Democratic nominee."

See the difference?

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
74. DU ToS: "[W]hen general election season begins, DU members must support [the] Democratic nominee."
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:46 AM
Apr 2016

Lancero

(3,276 posts)
76. Skinner: "Therefore it is still primary election season on DU."
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:50 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910165

If you disagree with that, take it up with the owner.
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
78. i am not calendar-challenged. I also know that "vote to block" is not synonymous with "vote for the
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:54 AM
Apr 2016

Democrat."

J/S.

Lancero

(3,276 posts)
80. Looks like people are starting to call for another purge.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:01 AM
Apr 2016

The site purged pro-lgbt members in the past - Wonder what group will get the chopping block this time?

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
83. Pro-LBGT wasn't the only purge. Bernie supporters will be next. nt
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:32 AM
Apr 2016

Tommy_Carcetti

(44,499 posts)
81. You want a cookie or something? nt
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:10 AM
Apr 2016
 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
84. Many "democrats" here are so filled with hate they don't resemble Democrats anymore. nt
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:33 AM
Apr 2016
 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
85. +1000. (nt)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:38 AM
Apr 2016
 

coyote

(1,561 posts)
86. Congratulations! Perhaps if enough people leave,
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:56 AM
Apr 2016

then maybe will the party do some soul-searching and reflect why many good people are leaving. However, I won't be holding my breath for that. I left the party already and registered as an independent.

Good for you. You have my respect.

mercuryblues

(16,413 posts)
88. Let me see if
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

I understand this right.

In protest that some states have closed primaries, you have changed your voter registration to a 3rd party. Guaranteeing that you can't vote in a primary again.

sellitman

(11,745 posts)
94. Was there really a choice?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie was blocked from the start.

Yes I will not be able to vote in Primaries here in CT. If the DNC's Corporate Interests aren't met they will do anything possible to block a real Progressive anyhow so what's the point of a Primary if their choice is pre-ordained? If they want to be inclusive they sure have a funny way of showing it.

I see many here have their nickers up around their heads over my post and need to see me re-word my statement on who I will vote for in the General. To make these DUers happy:

I unequivocally State that in the General Election I will vote for The Democratic Candidate.

CTyankee

(68,202 posts)
106. I was so happy to vote for Bernie yesterday here in new haven!
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:25 PM
Apr 2016

My husband works at the polls and he was voting for HRC. But he gave me my ballot with a smile anyway! I have two good friends and several family members who are also voting for Hillary. Hubby gives me a few zingers now and then but mostly we keep away from the subject...

sellitman

(11,745 posts)
110. I was on the Green on Sunday
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:47 PM
Apr 2016

About 20 feet from Bernie.

CTyankee

(68,202 posts)
111. How was it? I was going to but health issues and the parking bans persuaded me tojust
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

watch on TV.

Since you are a Yalie, which college did you attend? I don't have any favorites but I ike the revieryin a way....

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
108. Even kicking out the first Democrat
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:36 PM
Apr 2016

Andrew Jackson. Maybe I should leave over that reason. But I am not going to worry about it, he can't vote now anyway.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
112. I didn't have to change my registration to become a Green.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:36 PM
Apr 2016

My state did it for me when they ended registration by party. Now, I'm whatever I say I am.

hunter

(40,691 posts)
113. Like it or not, the U.S.A. is not a parliamentary system. The Green Party is devalued.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:56 PM
Apr 2016

Hopefully the Republican Party will destroy itself, and then the Democratic Party can split into liberal and conservative factions. That's sort of the way it works in California now.

Oh, and FUCK RALPH NADER.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
117. Booo
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:44 AM
Apr 2016
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