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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:14 AM Apr 2016

Stop telling kids you’re bad at math. You are spreading math anxiety ‘like a virus.’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/04/25/stop-telling-kids-youre-bad-at-math-you-are-spreading-math-anxiety-like-a-virus/

“How was skiing?” I asked my 14-year old daughter as she hauled her boot bag into the car. “Well, the ratio of snow to ground was definitely low,” she replied, adding that she had tried to figure the ratio of snow-to-ground during practice but had received only mystified looks. “Stop the math!” demanded a coach. “You are confusing us!”

Why do smart people enjoy saying that they are bad at math? Few people would consider proudly announcing that they are bad at writing or reading. Our country’s communal math hatred may seem rather innocuous, but a more critical factor is at stake: we are passing on from generation to generation the phobia for mathematics and with that are priming our children for mathematical anxiety. As a result, too many of us have lost the ability to examine a real-world problem, translate it into numbers, solve the problem and interpret the solution.

Mathematics surrounds us, yet we have become accustomed to avoiding numerical thinking at all costs. There is no doubt that bad high school teaching and confusing textbooks are partly to blame. But a more pernicious habit does the most damage. We are perpetuating damaging myths by telling ourselves a few untruths: math is inherently hard, only geniuses understand it, we never liked math in the first place and nobody needs math anyway.

Often adults are well-meaning when telling children about their own math phobia: after all, won’t it make the children feel better if they know that others feel that way as well? Research shows the answer is a resounding “no.”

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Having recently been privy to a couple of anecdotes about some middle-school girls picking on other middle-school girls for liking math (Yes, I know. Typical.), this seems all the more prescient.

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Stop telling kids you’re bad at math. You are spreading math anxiety ‘like a virus.’ (Original Post) HuckleB Apr 2016 OP
The corporate world is not immune whatthehey Apr 2016 #1
It's amazing how many people don't understand those concepts, even with higher education. HuckleB Apr 2016 #2
Terminology is all important. TexasTowelie Apr 2016 #3
As a child that kind of terminology always annoyed me. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2016 #5
But think how it improved your use of English muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #6
Hey, you were a smart kid. TexasTowelie Apr 2016 #7
Yeah, that's just bad marketing. HuckleB Apr 2016 #8
How can learning basic maths be fun? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2016 #16
I though the clues was great Jim Beard Apr 2016 #11
. HuckleB Apr 2016 #4
One should quantify what percentage of the public does that Albertoo Apr 2016 #9
Ok. Still, don't do it. HuckleB Apr 2016 #13
I am bad at math, really and I will tell my grand kids but they will also be told Jim Beard Apr 2016 #10
I've told my kids a hundred times, its like anything you have to learn bhikkhu Apr 2016 #12
GDP is around the corner to the left bigwillq Apr 2016 #14
The lack of response to this OP is scary. HuckleB Apr 2016 #15
Why are you complaining--- trumad Apr 2016 #17
Stop spreading internet post anxiety The2ndWheel Apr 2016 #18

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
1. The corporate world is not immune
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:23 AM
Apr 2016

I am in meetings regularly where just about everyone is either an engineer, an MBA or both. At some point then they simply must have had pretty solid mastery of math to at least calculus level. But I've lost count of the times I've had to go over simple concepts like correlation or standard deviation to explain issues to them. It seems like once outside the classroom, even the engineers forget about and dismiss any math not directly tied to their specialty, which is a bit ironic because I stayed away from engineering because I couldn't handle the math myself.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
2. It's amazing how many people don't understand those concepts, even with higher education.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:27 AM
Apr 2016

Correlation vs. causation seems like it's not addressed, or something, for example.

TexasTowelie

(110,324 posts)
3. Terminology is all important.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:32 AM
Apr 2016

They need to do away with words such as "problems", "exercises" and "homework" when taking math classes. Psychologically it stigmatizes students because of the negative connotations of those words. How many people want problems, who wants to exercise, and does anybody really want homework? It is much more pleasant to say let's play with numbers or shapes, let's learn some math tricks or how about taking a math adventure? It's much easier to motivate students when they believe they are having fun rather than scaring them with archaic terminology.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
5. As a child that kind of terminology always annoyed me.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

When people promised me an adventure and what I got was problems, exercises and homework, I thought "do they really think I'm stupid?"

Being told that studying history was like being a detective was particularly annoying.

muriel_volestrangler

(100,976 posts)
6. But think how it improved your use of English
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016

as you learned to distinguish your teachers' honesty from bullshit ...

TexasTowelie

(110,324 posts)
7. Hey, you were a smart kid.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:47 PM
Apr 2016


The use of that terminology has to start at the beginning of the learning process and continued for years so the children don't actually realize what is happening until it's too late.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
8. Yeah, that's just bad marketing.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:04 PM
Apr 2016

Kids are smart. They know better. Show them it can be fun, don't sell them toothpaste

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
16. How can learning basic maths be fun?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:33 AM
Apr 2016

I'm a professional mathematician; I love doing maths.

But as a child, before I got to the bits of maths that I found fun, I had to learn to add, subtract, multiply and do at least a little division. And I found learning those extremely tedious, and I'm not sure there is a way to teach them that isn't.

Are there approaches to education that produce children capable of doing basic maths reliably, without forcing them through vast numbers of tedious repetitions of "add/subtract/multiply these two numbers"? I'm not convinced there are.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
9. One should quantify what percentage of the public does that
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:12 PM
Apr 2016

We cannot extrapolate the opinion of a subset to the whole population.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
10. I am bad at math, really and I will tell my grand kids but they will also be told
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:25 PM
Apr 2016

why and how they can learn to enjoy it.

Not until way late in life did I finally heard an instructor say something that really changed my way of looking at a math problem.

That simple statement was this is the problem but we will give you CLUES to help you solve the problem. So simple but it was just something I could not connect.

Yes I am bad at math.

bhikkhu

(10,705 posts)
12. I've told my kids a hundred times, its like anything you have to learn
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

everyone is bad at it anything they want to learn, until they learn it. Mostly it has always fallen on deaf ears, and they still repeat the "I'm bad at math", or talk about someone being "good" at math, like that person didn't even have to learn it. I don't know if it comes from the schools themselves or from other kids parroting their parents, but its completely the wrong approach to anything in life.

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