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Will someone please tell me..... (Original Post) kpete Apr 2016 OP
That's very tall order. 99th_Monkey Apr 2016 #1
Harder to explain Oliver Sipple . . . Journeyman Apr 2016 #2
No justice in this world. The world just-is. Seeking explanation will drive kairos12 Apr 2016 #3
The justice is: snot Apr 2016 #4
LOL Love the Bernie/Trump "boo" GIF!!! Beartracks Apr 2016 #7
Cleverly done gif! nt tblue37 Apr 2016 #8
Justice slowly gets better. Turing would not be castrated today. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #5
Who said it was a just world? jg10003 Apr 2016 #6
In the last few years, for the first time I have doubts about the ability appalachiablue Apr 2016 #9
Much as I adore Turing, this is not an accurate comparison. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #10
Depends a lot on So Far From Heaven Apr 2016 #11
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
1. That's very tall order.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:13 PM
Apr 2016

Gratefully we've at least mostly overcome our fear 7 hatred of gay people,
but still .. there re so many other daily examples of gross injustice (like Wall
St crashing our economy, or police routinely murdering unarmed people, etc)
that the question still stands.

Journeyman

(15,031 posts)
2. Harder to explain Oliver Sipple . . .
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:28 PM
Apr 2016

Sipple was the man who saved President Ford from assassination by Sara Jane Moore in 1975 in front of the St Francis Hotel in San Francisco.

The press dug and pried, despite Sipple's request they leave him be, and when they learned he was gay it was fodder for the daily fish wrap. Sipple's family in Michigan didn't know this, and for year's they refused to have anything to do with him. There's reason to believe Ford himself tried to maintain distance from the man who saved his life. Sipple fell into depression, became paranoid and suicidal, drank heavily, ballooned to over 300 pounds, and eventually succumbed to heart troubles and life and was found dead in his apartment in the Tenderloin.

He kept mementos of his heroism, but was heard in later years to question the wisdom of saving the President's life at the cost of his own.

Yeah. The world has a lot to atone for, and too much that can't be explained.

kairos12

(12,852 posts)
3. No justice in this world. The world just-is. Seeking explanation will drive
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:32 PM
Apr 2016

one to and over the edge. Fight where you can. That's about it for me.

snot

(10,520 posts)
4. The justice is:
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:40 PM
Apr 2016

those that do right, know they do right. Not having it acknowledged is hellish painful; but they can at least feel their sacrifice was meaningful/purposeful; and they can live with their real selves.

those that do wrong, rarely realize, at least consciously, that they did wrong.

And who are we to know for sure that they did? Their wrongful actions destroyed all or parts of our lives; many of not most of us will never recover; but to the extent humanity learns anything from anything, at least in the past, it's had to be arrived at through painful lessons.

I doubt we're yet ready to learn any other way; but here's hoping.

appalachiablue

(41,125 posts)
9. In the last few years, for the first time I have doubts about the ability
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:43 PM
Apr 2016

of humans to maintain societies with true justice for any real length of time. One very important reason why is this.
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Information Liberation, 'Peruvian Government Shelves Investigation into Massive Forced Sterilizations of Indigenous Women' By Matthew Cullinan Hoffman, Latin America Correspondent, June 19, 2009.

LIMA, June 19, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Peru's government has decided to end its investigation against former health officials for thousands of forced sterilizations carried out during the late 1990s, under president Alberto Fujimori.
Human rights organizations have thoroughly documented evidence that women were physically coerced, threatened, tricked, and enticed with economic incentives during the implementation of the program, which sterilized a total of approximately 400,000 Peruvian women in just two years, 1997 and 1998, with the help of the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA). The coercive actions of program officials have been tied to pressure from the Peruvian government to meet pre-set sterilization quotas. The economic incentives offered to desperately poor women have also been criticized as coercive, and violated existing international standards for such programs.

However, the Provincial Prosecutor in charge of human rights cases, Jaime Jose Swartz, reportedly claims that there is insufficient evidence to charge the nation's health ministers and other program personnel for human rights abuses.
The decision to shelve the case has sparked protests from pro-life organizations, as well as human rights and feminist groups.“I hope our government changes its decision,” said Carlos Polo, head of the Population Research Institute’s Latin America office in Peru, in an interview with LifeSiteNews. http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=26872

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
10. Much as I adore Turing, this is not an accurate comparison.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:08 PM
Apr 2016

Turing wasn't a pedophile.

ETA: Of course that makes the difference in what happened to them even more egregious.

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