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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you go by he/him, she/her or they, ze, hir? Pronouns are evolving
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The most common gender pronouns remain he/him or she/her. Identity, however, may not be driven by biology, but by psychology, as when a Melvin identifies more as a Melissa.
For those who consider themselves both male and female, or as neither the term is non-binary preferred pronouns could be they, or invented words such as ze or hir. In many ways, we already do this. We use they and them, when we dont know someones gender, as in, When the Über driver shows up, tell them Ill be right out.
Thats just verbal shorthand. This latest effort to change the language is aligned with a social movement, said Anne Curzan, a professor of English at the University of Michigan and member of the American Dialect Society.
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One indication of how quickly change can happen these days came late last year when the Times used a new courtesy title, Mx., when quoting a bookstore employee named Senia Hardwick. It clearly wasnt the Times idea, describing Hardwick as someone who prefers not to be assigned a gender and also insists on the gender-neutral Mx. in place of Ms. or Mr.
Because the newspaper still insists on courtesy titles, a rarity in itself, the request was honored, although the public editor has said continued use is on a case-by-case basis. That Mx. may seem startingly new today is testament to how the use of courtesy titles has dwindled. But it also shows how some people are rethinking gender.
Last year, the Washington Post allowed using they to refer to people who identify as neither male nor female.
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For a long time, she said, the language defaulted to male terms, as in, Everyone wants his life to be happy. Over time, they variants stepped in, as in Everyone wants their lives to be happy.
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TexasProgresive
(12,159 posts)The professor circled the hes and hims in red and wrote "inclusive language." I wanted to find gender neutral singular pronouns but there just weren't any. For the rest of the term I use he/she, she/he, him/her and her/him. That was good enough for Dr.X. But I just wanted something more elegant. I had no problem with inclusive language just with no good pronouns.
hunter
(38,334 posts)It will be interesting to see if some specifically singular variation of these develops.
Igel
(35,362 posts)"A person walked into the store to buy a vegetable for dinner. They picked up the kale."
It's not normative in formal English, but used by a lot of people.
Since the 1300s. Chaucer used it from time to time. It was common by Shakespeare's day.
The prescriptivists, a "social movement", managed to get people to default to "he" as a generic singular in formal use and in informal use because that was good Latin. That was a losing proposition even back in the 1600s, but with all the heightened "how dare you refer to me in a way that I find offensive!" thinking in the mid-late 20th century (which desire to be offended is augmented annually), it didn't stand a chance. Unless you're explicitly inclusive you can only be offensively exclusive.
The prescriptivists are the same ones who give us "are" as the 1p present of "to be":
he is --- I am
is he? --- am I?
he is not ---- I am not
is he not? --- am I not
he isn't --- (I am't)
isn't he? --- (am't I?) aren't I?
Makes you think we should be saying "I are a good boy."
Of course, "amn't" or "am't" naturally became "ain't", and that's a no-no because in many dialects "haven't" also became "ain't". If Latin didn't merge the two, English can't. Surprised they allowed contractions.
Same for splitting infinitives. Can't do it in Latin, can't do it in English.
And the language isn't so much evolving as being engineered by people who like to use being offended as a means of control; if I offended, you need to be tolerant. But then again, many miss the whole point of evolution and think of it as telic. Not biologists, of course, what do they know? But the far more enlightened identity specialists that insist on compartmentalizing and individuating in the interest of collective unity. Lots of screw-ball logic when people try to engineer things that are best left alone.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)but it still bugs me when people use the plural pronoun to describe a singular subject, but I agree that the he/she him/her thing is cumbersome.
SusanLarson
(284 posts)I am typical I use she and her but they them and their are ok as well. I detest ze and hir...
frogmarch
(12,160 posts)for singular gender neutral, I use they/them. I NEVER use he/him for singular gender neutral as was drilled into my head in the 50s and 60s. They/them is perfectly acceptable.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Just don't call me late for dinner.
TM99
(8,352 posts)not by force.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)No-one forced me to, I just think it's the most elegant solution.
As for grammar rules, well the attempt to force latin grammar on the english language was a laughable exercise. If I want to split an infinitive I damn well will.