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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am actually crying right now.
Just finished a conversation with my mother. She told me she voted for tRump. It really shocked me. How could she be so gullible? What could she possibly see in him. I'm so disappointed that my eyes are tearing. It saddened me deeply that my mother would actually trust Donald Trump with the future of our country.
redwitch
(14,944 posts)I don't understand it either.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I can understand because I have family members who are supporting Trump. It is hard for me to understand how we could have the same genes, have the same upbringing, and yet have such different priorities and sentiments.
We cannot control others, unfortunately, so accept the difference, love her for who she is, and make sure that you get out and vote to cancel out her vote.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)It isn't easy having family who's views are so different from your own. I'm odd one out in a family of five..and boy it was tough in the 1960's. I felt like I lived with Archie Bunker.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Does your mom usually vote republican?
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)I was able to overlook it until now. I did ask her why she would ever trust this guy with the country. Instead of providing any possible reason to support the douche, she just told me she could NEVER vote for Hillary.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)don't usually have to face that kind of disappointment,but I have a cousin who is religious and insanely anti choice.She voted for Cruz.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)What upset me even more is that she'd been putting on an act around me. She pretended she hated tRump, cruz, and Kasich when around me (most likely because she knows how strongly I feel about politics) She had been telling me she wouldn't vote at all if it was Hillary vs. Trump./ Bernie vs. Trump. And then today she blurts out that she voted for tRump. It kind of hurt my feelings because I felt like she lied to me.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)LuvLoogie
(6,999 posts)shireen
(8,333 posts)I really don't understand the visceral hatred towards Hillary.
It's one thing to be critical about some of her policies and actions. But what has she done to make people hate her so much that they'd rather vote for that buffoon Trump over her?
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)TeamPooka
(24,223 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)The have taken over the internet and are convincing anyone gullible enough to listen to them, that they are "unhappy" with the current two party system, because they are "the same". People buy this crap and either vote for some moron like Trump, or set home and pout because their candidate of choice did not win.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)by the right-wing media. They've done the same with Nancy Pelosi, transforming her into an evil witch just by the way they utter her name. They rarely give specific reasons why people should hate them, they just repeat their hatred over and over again until it is part of the listener's consciousness.
They do the same with Obama to a point, but somehow it seems easier to make people hate a woman.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)I am for Bernie, but it is disturbing to see so much visceral hatred for the Democrat probable winner....for the wrong reasons. What is disturbing is that they do not dislike her for her anti-worker, anti-consumer, anti-single payer, anti $15 min. wage, anti 99%, anti peace positions. They probably think she is too liberal. And that she is responsible for the Benghazi victims...(and that incident is the FIRST AND WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED LIKE THAT!....wrong).
In any other country, the Republicans would by now have no chance in hell of ever winning more than a minimum of seats, and definitely no chance of winning the top job with their past behavior, that they have no solutions themselves and spend their time in Washington simply opposing everything the President proposes.
Faux News and Hate Radio screech lies all day and night, and the rest of the establishment MSM, instead of doing their part to call out the lies, play the game of plausible deniability and leave it all up in the air. By having on guests that support the lies, and one that is given a few minutes to deny the falsehoods, while being interrupted by laughter and sneers from the other guest. And Blitz et all will simply, in effect, throw up his hands and say "who knows who is being honest...its probably somewhere in the middle".
One thing in these last decades have proven is just how powerful a force the news talk industry can have on a population. I have thought all along that Donald Trump could very well win the Presidency. Yes the racists, the sexists, the LGBT haters are a minority, but he also has the many who do not follow politics and just think he is a successful entrepreneur who will make America great again. Or those that like watching The Apprentice. Those that worship at the alter of celebrity. The Kardashians, and Paris Hilton before them, have proven you can build a following and be adored simply for being wealthy and self promoting on a reality TV show. Its a contemporary social phenomenon that will not go away.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)because of her policies and actions. She's completely untrustworthy.
I won't be voting for Trump, but I also won't be voting for Hillary, at least not unless she changes so dramatically that I'm am convinced she will truly stand up for women, children, against war, for unions, stop lying about everything. Not that I expect her to change one iota, but I'm genuinely disturbed at the support for her.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)is why.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)voted Republican anyway, and wouldn't start now. Did your mom give you any reasons why she voted for him? Is she a Republican who just automatically votes for the R frontrunner? My mom has a younger sister who'd vote for Charles Manson if he had an R after his name. Old habits die hard.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)country?" and she said "better than a community organizer." she also spouted the same bullshit about tRump being a "business man."
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)businesses heavily in debt. So, yep, he's a businessman all right.
Sounds like your mom believes what she wants to believe. Not an uncommon problem.
On the hopeful side, I have a Republican sister-in-law who once had a business interaction with Trump and she hates him so much she's actually re-examined her whole political viewpoint. She's a Bernie supporter and is posting anti-Republican stuff on Facebook. Last time around, she supported Romney. Progress.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Her reaction was "Oh, come on, John!" (my name is John by the way) and that was all.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)If I were in your shoes I'd probably would not have handled it as well as you did.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Intelligent woman for the most part. When I brought up the bankruptcy issue, she said, "It was a business strategy." I replied with, "4 times?" She just shook her head at me.
Skittles
(153,154 posts)my theory is they approve
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)I don't get into that with her because I suspect she approves but I don't want to know that she supports that.
I watch out for her very old parents and I don't want my views of her politics to color that, if that makes sense. It's better off not knowing some things, IMO. Besides, I'm moving at the end of this month so I won't have to deal with that any longer.
Demonaut
(8,914 posts)question everything
(47,474 posts)that the supporters of both Sanders and Trump are looking for the same thing: shaking the way things are done in Washington.
And, as it was with Ross Perot in 1992, many voters believe that we need a "business approach" to governing.
What I usually would tell them is that business is supposed to get rid of bad assets. And "bad assets" in running a country would be the poor the sick the elderly... And the question is - would they care?
TipTok
(2,474 posts)At this point, it's picking the shiniest turd.
No good answers
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)The two parties are not the same. And even Sanders has stated Hillary is "infinitely" better than Trump.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)If we had a candidate who was more appealing, we could draw off a good portion of of what trump has tapped into.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)For example, Hillary beats the Donald 61-25 among milleneals.
http://mindy-fischer-writer.com/2016/05/new-surprising-millennial-poll-numbers-trump-hillary-match/
TipTok
(2,474 posts)I honestly don't know how it will go but I do know that a stronger candidate could have had this all but wrapped up by now.
no_hypocrisy
(46,088 posts)he'd be giddy-drunk happy with Trump. He'd confuse bad entertainment with policy. Trump is vaudeville to the elderly who watch FOX.
rurallib
(62,411 posts)and being on TV and being a celebrity somehow seems to give a patina of approval by society.
Don't know what her age group is, but that may be an explanation.
Television is one incredibly persuasive tool. Trump's years as a news story, the reality TV personality and now the free billions of publicity that the "news" have given him adds up to a very persuasive package.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)I was in New York over the weekend and happened to catch a part of the local newscast. To absolutely no one's surprise, the first 8 stories were no more than 45 second spots, every one of them detailed an assault, a beating, a fire or some other variant of human misery followed by the weather forecast (cold and rainy for Sunday) and by that time I had more than enough. The point being that there once was a time that the news was not always "if it bleeds, it leads" and schadenfreude over the misfortune of others. National and cable news are similar septic wounds on the body politic.
This country would be infinitely better if elections were publicly funded, candidates were allocated bloc of time each day for the month leading up to the election (primary or general) and they were forbidden to take any money from outside interest groups during that time or in the run up to the publicly funded portion of the election. Use of the public airwaves should demand reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine, mandatory bans on soft money and dark money and everything in-between.
I was taken aback last night when I heard it was the one-year anniversary of Bernie Sanders' campaign...and most people at the time thought he was getting in LATE!!!
Endless campaigns have brought us nothing but endless corruption and politicians selling themselves off to finance the whole sordid operation to a degree that would make Caligula say "whoa, guys, this is getting kind of out of control...amirite??". Corporate personhood and revolving doors between Congress and registered lobbyist combine with the generally toxic atmosphere of the current government to give us this wholly unacceptable goulash of a system.
Its the 21st century. People are connected to Facebook and online groups yet can't name their neighbors any longer. Too many people live in the 24 inches between their face and their smart phone and pretend the outside world does not exist. TV was long ago co-opted to sell people things that they do not need, at interest rates they can't afford, to keep them in line as obedient consumers. Carlin and many others have expressed this far more eloquently than me, but there is simply no way to deny the undue influence peddling of TV as the patient zero in our currently virally overloaded society.
Throd
(7,208 posts)Or does she respect your right to an opinion?
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)But the conversation is never very respectful from either side about politics.
itcfish
(1,828 posts)Republican, what choice did she have? Twiddle Dee or Twiddle Dumb?
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)I don't usually encourage people not to vote, but if those are the choices...
Peregrine Took
(7,413 posts)She said he was a "nice man."
I think people like Trump because he doesn't talk down to them - he's like the friendly guy on the block who is friendly with everyone and makes you feel good about yourself.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)I think trump has made it clear that he himself thinks of his supporters as gullible idiots.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)guy and as he assumes you're as racist/sexist as he is.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)Back in the 80's they went on and on about what a good "family man" he was. Even his own kids would shake their heads at that one. Of course, they also firmly bought into the nonsense about welfare queens driving Cadillacs. And the ever popular, "The government is the problem." This from a family in which every last one of them held a public sector job and collected a government-issued paycheck. They all think Reagan walked on water. Today, even the family dog is named Reagan. Heads firmly up asses -all of them.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)There's no discussing it rationally with her. When I asked her if she could tell me 1 policy proposal of Trumps she agreed with, she spewed forth with shit about immigration and a wall, and keeping Muslim terrorists out.
You have my empathy....
Amaril
(1,267 posts)I have little doubt they would be ardent Trump supporters. In fact, I can pretty much guarantee that my entire extended family (over 200 people at the last family reunion I attended nearly three decades ago) are Trump supporters. I am the "black sheep" (lone democrat) of the family........which is part of the reason why I stopped being a member of the family after my Mom died. No big loss for me or for them either -- they were never shy about letting me know that I didn't "fit in".
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)something from tRump on Facebook. To use the words she would use "I was mortified" but not surprised.
Oneironaut
(5,493 posts)She probably believes him to be the "anti-government" candidate. That's what he's being playing at the whole election. She may realize what a fraud he is in time.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)vote blue, no matter who.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... liberalnarb. Not to worry. It was her vote and she was entitled to it. Trump don't stand a chance in Hell, so why all the wringing of the hands and pacing back and forth. I used to have a few in my family who voted the opposing party too. It, too, drove me batty. But do you know, that now they all are going to vote for Bernie this year (a few of them voting today in Indiana and the rest in weeks that are left elsewhere.) Life is too short, liveralnarb. Let it go. You never know...they could come around in the coming years and be right there beside you, politically.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I follow politics very carefully. They are more interested in other things. I think that is one of the big differences between Hillary and Bernie voters. If you really know about politics, if you have followed political developments carefully over the years, you are probably most likely for Bernie, not for Hillary.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)My mother would think I was bonkers if I burst into tears because of someone's vote.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)It reminds me of when I went to visit my dad and discovered he'd become a fundie and went to a church where people spoke in tongues. Parents will be parents I guess.
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)Just go out and recruit a new Dem voter to counteract her vote!
mnhtnbb
(31,384 posts)When my dad was in the throes of dementia at age 91 and Bushie boy would come on TV, I'd have
to tolerate him talking about what a great job he was doing and how I should write a check to send
him some money for his re-election campaign.
So...I feel for you. It's really tough to have parents with politics so opposite to your own.
NikolaC
(1,276 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,618 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)My parents made that mistake...twice. My Father does admit now that W sucked.
Omaha Steve
(99,618 posts)She went back to being a D the rest of her life. She was so sick in 2010 but insisted she go vote.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)My mother is a smart person too, shes just stuck in "the bubble".
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)This is what I am currently listening to.
It's just what came up after listening to this
which I was I was inspired to listen to because of this Tweet
Bad Bernie Sanders ?@bad_bad_bernie 9m9 minutes ago
I'll never be your beast of burden
I've walked for miles my feet are hurting
All I want is for you to vote for Bernie
#BernieOrBust
I think it's gonna be okay. But if it turns out that it's not okay because some fascist gets elected to POTUS we are going to have to have a place not just to share horror stories but to share music, poetry, reading lists, recipes, and life stories to get us through the dark times.
PS if you aren't at JackPineRadicals.Org it is an oasis of sanity
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Of course, I am not going to vote for Donald Trump.
I have a friend who has said that in the GE he would vote for The Donald over Hillary. His politics are hardly extreme right; if anything, he makes me look like Attila the Hun. By now, he at least seems ready to vote for Dr. Jill Stein. I've given up on convincing him to think about voting for Mrs. Clinton as the best way to block Trump in November. This is California and I believe that Mrs. C will carry the state easily in November, regardless of for whom my friend votes.
Quite frankly, all the other candidates made it easy for me to go with Bernie in the primaries. The rest, at least those who have a remote chance of winning, are really awful. It reminds me of the election of 1980, when Americans were presented with a practical choice of Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. I thought Carter's performance in the White House over four years had been poor, while Reagan, while brimming with confidence and self-assurance, had even less to brag about looking back on his eight years as governor of California. I voted in the morning, postponing voting fro president until I was finished with the rest of my ballot. I finally voted for Carter. Had I voted in the afternoon, after listening to reports of a big Reagan win while driving home, I would have voted for Anderson.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)when I read uninformed or condescending posts from Dems who support Hillary Clinton. She will do similar damage if she ends up in the WH.
ileus
(15,396 posts)ebbie15644
(1,214 posts)but I'm nearing 50 and used to it. I had to live through all the crap that FAUX threw at Clinton in the 90's. Right now he hates Trump but I sense some softening and I know he won't vote for Hillary. He would possibly vote for Bernie but sadly Bernie won't be the nominee.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)I know how it is. Half of my family back east will/have voted Trump. Why? Because he's going to be the winner and they have 20 + years hating Clintons. They watch FOX and listen to Rush and it's a waste of time and energy ever even bringing up politics with them.
Good news is half won't so there's that
It's the media. Not your mom.
And you'll cancel out her vote in the general.
DocMac
(1,628 posts)he will put the final nail in the GOP coffin.
peace13
(11,076 posts)My mother and sister have been FOX clones for years. I'm sorry. It hurts.
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)But Trump is not the worst thing that can happen to this country. Cruz, on the other hand, is.
It will be okay. I can't promise the best outcome, but it will be okay.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Scared people are easy pickings for Fascists making scapegoats.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I considered voting Trump for about two seconds. He's a suicide bomb for the Pukes.
Skittles
(153,154 posts)my mum passed five years ago but she was British and thought Trump was a "bloody fool"
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)As we all know Hillary Clinton is the greatest threat to everything we love and hold dear that has ever existed, so now that she seems poised to win the Democratic nomination the only thing to do is support her Republican opponent. Well, that's what a lot of Bernie Sanders fans have been telling me for weeks so it must be true.
MFM008
(19,808 posts)most of my family are politically simpatico. My sisters boyfriend is an ass but who cares even after 8 years hes an outsider. I dont believe I could be around a family member that was politically to the right. I dont care who they were.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)for voting, and for voting for the person she believes will do the best job. We all get a vote. I am sure some will disagree with my choice, but it's my vote.