"an astonishing 86 percent of African Americans had a negative view of Trump."

[Liberal_in_LA]

Trump faces significant obstacles to achieving that unity, particular with blocs that are not white men. Seven in 10 women view him unfavorably. It’s even worse with minorities. A recent Gallup poll found that 77 of Hispanics view Trump unfavorably. A Washington Post poll pegged that number at eight in 10, seven of them “very unfavorable.” An NBC News/Survey Monkey poll found an astonishing 86 percent of African Americans had a negative view of Trump.

One reason for those atrocious ratings is the way Trump speaks to and about minorities, which was on display during his victory speech Tuesday.

“We're going to have great relationships with the Hispanics,” he said. “The Hispanics have been so incredible to me. They want jobs. Everybody wants jobs. The African Americans want jobs. If you look at what's going on, they want jobs.”

Part of Trump’s rhetorical power is his supercharged used of “we,” a method that persuades people across the country that they are part of a larger movement, and somehow share with Trump his aura of wealthy and luxury. (It’s the same technique he’s used to sell real estate for years.) In the midst of his spiel about all the ways “we” would make America great again, Trump tossed in this passage about minorities.

His phrasing is telling. First, it suggests that for Trump, blacks and Hispanics aren’t part of “we”—“they” constitute separate groups. Perhaps that’s an accidental, unthinking division, but subconscious racial division is no less dangerous. Second, it shows him assuming that minority concerns can be reduced to economics. That view is perhaps unsurprising for a man who has spent his career trying to accumulate wealth, but it is a two-dimensional view of black and Hispanic Americans.

The fact that his policies simply don’t line up with what most African Americans want in a president is one reason his numbers with black voters are so bad. Another factor is a presidential campaign driven in large parts by divisive appeals to racism and bigotry against Hispanics, Muslims, and other groups. Trump also has a long history of racially charged incidents, from alleged tenant discrimination to his strident reaction to the Central Park Five.

The entertainer has long spoken about minority groups with the outdated formulation involving a definite article: “I have a great relationship with the blacks. I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks,” he said in 2011, using language that undermined his claim. He’s said similar things about “the Hispanics.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/the-way-donald-trump-speaks-toand-aboutminorities/481155/

[Journeyman]

1. I'm curious about the 14 percent. Does the article delve into their beliefs? . . .

[UMTerp01]

2. Who in the hell are the 14% of African Americans who don't

I mean again I know we are not monolith but even the Republicans that are in my family (yes I do have them but they only vote Republican for money reasons) are even saying they are going to vote Hillary because there's no way in hell they are voting Trump. I guess its Omarosa and her friends. *chuckles*

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

3. Maybe I'm crazy, but doesn't Trump gets referenced in a fair amount of hip-hop?

He's sort of a buzzword for wealth. And I can't imagine a lot of young AA get polled anyway, so the number may actually be higher.

[JI7]

11. are you serious ? you think people like ben carson support him over hip hop ?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

17. No, I'm talking younger AA people who don't give a fuck about politics....

.....and also don't get polled. But have heard all their lives Trump being glorified by musicians impressed by his money and think he's a boss.

By the way I did some research.

Kanye - "So Appalled" - "Donald Trump taking dollars from y'all."

Nelly - "Country Grammar" - "Bill Gates, Donald Trump, let me in now"

Ludacris - "Hip Hop Quotables" - "I buy cars with straight cash, have meetings with Donald Trump"

AZ - "The Format" - "Breathing off a Trump budget, fresh out of Bloomies with Louie luggage"

Nas - "Loco-motive" - "Start out broke made it rich lost paper, get it back like Trump, down up play with cash.

Cypress Hill - "Can I Live" - "We tryin be get money so we live like Trump"

And that's just a few......

[firebrand80]

18. LOL

Those quotes are from before Trump ran from President, 99% of America probably has a different view of him now than they did previously.

And none of the members of Cypress Hill are black.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

20. I get your point

But is the media actually asking young black men who've been listening to all that for years what they think of when they hear the name Trump?

You know the answer.

And just because a group is white doesn't mean AA's never listened or liked, but for christ's sake one group of white guys, whatever, I've got ten more if you like.....Raekwon, Frank Ocean, etc....

[firebrand80]

23. Most people can distinguish between

A line in a rap song and who they should support for President. It's not like Donald Trump has ever been a major, or even minor, subject in rap music (there likely will be in the next 6 months though, and I can guarantee you that the positive references will be few and far between).

[Number23]

48. Wow.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

50. Lemme guess, you disapprove of quoting cultural shit to make a point

Calm down, I don't think anyone who forges their opinion of Donald Trump based on his appearance in rap lyrics will vote anyway, nor will the media ask them their opinion, nor will it have any effect on the black vote. Something you missed me saying apparently. Something you should agree with me on, but goddamn you're gonna get hung up on that nasty appropriation.

[Number23]

51. I'm not surprised that you're all amped up over 'wow.' That knee jerk urge to defend oneself usually

kicks in like that when someone realizes they've said something stupid or offensive.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

52. At least you admit what you were doing

Now. But then again I would never expected you to have a substantive answer beyond that.

I said nothing offensive, nor stupid.

Oh, wait....I get it, I made up those lyrics, right?

[Number23]

53. Yeah, it's hard to turn off that knee jerk defence mode after it's kicked in.

Even when it does nothing but make you look more and more tone deaf and ridiculous, not to mention panicked as hell.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

54. Yup, made all those lyrics up

Every last one of them.

Trump is a boss, like Tony Montana and Frank White.

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. The only trump references I have heard were really negative.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

37. Guess it depends on your perspective

You and I might find one's name becoming a code word for excess greed, money and power distasteful, while others of all races find it cool.

[thucythucy]

55. That's what I want to know.

I'm not at all "astonished" that 86% of African Americans see Trump as a racist bigot. What astonishes me is that there are 14% who evidently don't. His racism is just that obvious.

[TM99]

4. All Trump needs to do is

have one great photo op with BLM and offer support to minority youth and they will go for him over Clinton.

She has dismissed them left and right. She has strong AA support in the older demographics. But the youth vote is definitely up for grabs.

[LenaBaby61]

9. No, don't think so ....

Donald Trump blasts "Black Lives Matter" movement in a MAJOR WAY:




Conservative 2016 presidential candidate Donald Trump is laughing at socialist Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) for allowing so-called “#BlackLivesMatter” activists to shut down a rally which was taking place in Seattle, Washington.

Trump called it a disgrace and laughed that two women took his microphone away. He added:

I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself or if other people will.


Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/donald-trump-blasts-black-lives-matter-movement-in-a-major-way-boom/#ixzz47ffXsdFH

[TM99]

10. That was over a month ago

which is an eternity in a primary.

He has secured the nod, so he will move towards the moderate center.

We'll see but this is how he rolls and I expect him to do just these kinds of thing even if they are contradicting earlier statements. Clinton can't really call him on it as she is a weathervane and it is on record for 30 years.

[dsc]

13. yes because black people are stupid and shallow

I mean really.

[LenaBaby61]

16. That poster...

Is insulting African-Americans, and in the way you describe.

A SHAME.

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. He/she does at every opportunity, even when he has to invemt one ... or ten..

[TM99]

19. No more or less so than

Asians, whites, latinos, etc.

Sorry to disappoint, but we are not all magical negroes who know more than everyone else just by virtue of our skin color.

[joshcryer]

14. This is so insulting it's not even funny.

And completely out of touch.

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. Nothing new ... he/she has been on the wrong side of every single Black among ...

the main of the Black community, since ... forever.

[gratuitous]

22. I believe you are incorrect

Clinton has a net favorability rating of 80% with Black voters. Those voters aren't likely to forget Trump's racist statements of the past; his pandering to white supremacists; and his refusal to disavow the support he gets from the KKK (or his refusal to admit he even knows about the KKK) just because of "one great photo op."

[TM99]

25. Hell those black voters

seem to have forgotten all of Clinton's racist statements, campaign against Obama, and her and Bill's disrespect towards BLM.

80% of black voters sounds like a lot until you factor in the reality of primary voter turnout this primary and then that number is not very large.

Do you think that 47% of independent voters is all white?!

[gratuitous]

31. What are you talking about?

Trump makes a bunch of racist statements which you dismiss because they were made "a month ago," but you'll say that black voters will be turned off of Clinton because she campaigned against Obama eight years ago? That's weapons-grade delusional.

And what racist statements of Clinton's are you referring to? Do you have any links, videos, or quotes? You do know that just saying something doesn't make it so, don't you?

You're not very good at this.

[gratuitous]

40. My word, such language

I just asked you to back up your assertions about Hillary Clinton and took you to task for your blithe dismissal of Trump's racism. If you can't back up your loaded statements and fail to express yourself coherently, I don't think that's my problem. For fuck's sake.

[TM99]

41. Assertions have been

provided all over these boards for a year now.

I never blithely dismissed Trump's racism. That is in your own head.

You have your own problems that are of little fucking concern to me.

[gratuitous]

42. So you can't back up what you said about Clinton; all right

You originally posted that "All Trump needs to do is have one great photo op" and his problems with his racism will disappear. That sounds pretty blithe to me; maybe that voice doesn't sound blithe in your head, though.

Why don't we let your inability to express yourself coherently be your little problem, hmmm?

[gratuitous]

59. Come, let us reason together

First off, I don't know that you could legitimately call me a Clinton supporter, except to the degree that I support practically any candidate for office on the Democratic ticket (Lyndon LaRouche would be an obvious exception). You're very good at making personal attacks and assuming things not in evidence; pointing out flaws in your logic is not "condescension," even if you'd like to think it is. Now, to the videos.

The first video is a heavily spliced bit of footage interspersed with negative power-point placards. There is no context, and it certainly doesn't show anything to me, except that Hillary Clinton campaigned hard in 2008, just like any other candidate during an open election. Cf. Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson, Paul Tsongas, etc.

The Olbermann commentary is focused on things Clinton's surrogates said during the heat of the 2008 campaign, and Clinton's failure to disavow the comments to Olbermann's satisfaction. This doesn't support your thesis, either.

Video the third briefly tries to tie Clinton's youthful work on the Goldwater campaign and graft Goldwater's stances of 1964 onto Clinton. Again, there's no direct racism voiced by Clinton, and no indication that she currently holds the racist views of 1964-era Barry Goldwater. The rest of the video doesn't feature Clinton at all, but many people voicing their opinions. Again, no direct evidence but certainly a nice stab at guilt by association from events more than 50 years ago.

The fourth video is another mash-up of excerpts from the 2008 campaign, albeit with lots of really scary imagery, Sean Hannity and Dick Morris. By the standards you've set down, I would be justified in imputing everything Hannity and Morris have said to you. By the way, the "vote white" quote in the title to the video is actually from Frank Rizzo, not Hillary Clinton. Did you watch any of these videos yourself? So far none of them support your silly accusation.

The fifth video, again from the 2008 campaign, features very short clips, a few of them showing Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton saying complimentary things about then-Senator Obama. The rest are comments by talking teevee heads talking to campaign advisors of dubious provenance.

In the sixth video, a clip from the 2008 debates, Obama is asked about comments from Louis Farrakhan supportive of his candidacy. He disavows Farrakhan, but by your lights, it would be reasonable to impute Farrakhan's statements to Obama. Again, did you watch these videos before you threw all this shit at the wall to see what would stick? It seems that none of them support your baseless thesis.

Video the seventh and eighth are again weak attempts to tie Hillary Clinton to certain aspects of Margaret Sanger's career. This is another asinine attempt at guilt by association. Neither of them show anything remotely germane to your spurious, failed argument.

As I said before, simply running a campaign against Barack Obama in 2008 doesn't qualify as racist. And if Hillary Clinton (that's who we're talking about, remember? Not Barry Goldwater, not Margaret Sanger, and certainly not the demented opinions of Sean Hannity and Dick Morris.) is such an out-and-out racist, perhaps you could take a moment to calm down and explain why President Obama then appointed her to be Secretary of State? Is Obama ignorant of this famous racism, extraordinarily forgiving, or racist himself?

Got anything else? Because you haven't carried your argument, and if this is the best you've got, you should re-evaluate your opinion if you have any integrity at all.

[gratuitous]

64. So more nothing

I wasted an hour of my life watching your meaningless videos, picked them apart one by one, and you have nothing more. Thanks for confirming my initial evaluation of you and your shallow "analysis."

[edbermac]

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[Number23]

49. Well fucking said, gratuitous.

Trump makes a bunch of racist statements which you dismiss because they were made "a month ago," but you'll say that black voters will be turned off of Clinton because she campaigned against Obama eight years ago? That's weapons-grade delusional.

You're not very good at this.

Well said.

[gratuitous]

60. Thanks

But it's a plump, slow-moving, easy target.

[demmiblue]

24. Bullshite.

Also, your magical negro statement is straight out of the Rush Limbaugh play book.

(I also think that Hillary has been downright insulting to the BLM movement. Hillary is all about Hillary.)

[TM99]

27. Bullshit.

The racists here are those who pretend that one race is smarter or more aware of politics than another. That was my reference to the magical negro, so please attack them instead of this bi-racial man.

All of us have the same amount of stupid zombie voters as well as smart & informed voters. No racial demographic in America has the monopoly on either informed awareness or blind ignorance.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. Damn ... Could you ever be more wrong about the Black community? ...

I think you are making it a sport.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. Ha ha. What a dumb joke.

[TM99]

36. And Trump was dismissed by everyone last year

as a non-starter. Now look where he is.

The same with Sanders. He won't win an single state beyond his own. No, wait, he won't win any beyond those near VT. No wait, he won't win any states that aren't white. No wait...and on and on. He now has 45% of the delegates, is running neck and neck with Clinton in national polls, and continues to win states.

Democrats here are foolish to a fault if they dismiss Trump's ability to win.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

43. Democrats are stupid to underestimate the intelligence of their constituents

Like POC and women.

[TM99]

46. Democrats are even more stupid

to overestimate the intelligence of their constituents.

[Number23]

47. But sadly not the first or I daresay the last...

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

56. LOL

Good lord.

[jwirr]

63. TM99, she has done than dismiss POC - she has taken them

for granted as if they have no choices. She has done that to a lot of us. That attitude by the establishment not only kills the soul but it also takes our votes away from us.

Yes, I am seeing the older demographics here on the reservation divided with the youth in the same way.

[Skittles]

5. no, what is astonishing is 14% don't have a negative view

[LenaBaby61]

6. I'm wondering ....

Who those 14% are that have a favorable view of Trump besides Tyson, Omorosa and a few other high-profile entertainers. I believe Russel Simmons called Trump out and is even supporting Hillary Clinton now.

Goodness

[Rhiannon12866]

7. I agree! Only 86%??

I don't know anyone - from any demographic - that doesn't have a negative view of Trump...

[joshcryer]

15. I wonder how white people feel.

[Skittles]

44. I know how my white ass feels

er....wait, that did not come out right

[silvershadow]

8. And this is news? nt

[Dorian Gray]

12. Only 86%

[KamaAina]

21. That is astonishing.

It's that low?!

[highprincipleswork]

26. According to some, we need over 90 or perhaps 92% of AA's to support Hillary, or Trump wins.

[kcjohn1]

33. Van Jones has being saying this

And I believe it too. Trump can get more AA voters than any other GOP candidate. He has compelling case to make with respect to jobs and illegal. He can easily convince 10% that illegal Mexicans/NAFTA is what is taking jobs away from inner cities.

[KG]

38. only an Establishment publication like the Atlantic would find that 'astonishing'

[Blue_Tires]

39. naturally... no big surprise there...

[liberalhistorian]

58. Help me out here. I'm really not understanding

why that percentage is considered "astonishing". If anything, it's actually "astonishing" that it's not 100 percent, given his very obvious hatred of any skin that isn't white and his often having anyone who isn't white thrown out of his rallies, or his minions attacking anyone who isn't white who are at his rallies. And you know The DipDon is only going to use that percentage to increase the virulent hatred and racism of his "lovely" supporters, and turn himself into a fucking victim. I cannot believe that this is really happening, that he is really going to be the nominee. I keep thinking that this is a nightmare I'm going to wake up from at any time. If only.

[Democat]

61. Trump has a negative view of 99% of Americans

Some of the 1% are okay.

[jwirr]

62. Can anyone blame them. POC need to get together because

fascism has a tendency to be anti-minority.

When I was talking to my daughter about why I did not want to vote for Hillary she agreed BUT she basically reminded me that we have a mixed race family and if Trump gets into office he is going to have everyone fighting with each other right here in our own country. And in that she is right.