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apnu

(8,751 posts)
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:41 AM May 2016

Conservatives are having a complete meltdown... Enjoy.

Last edited Wed May 4, 2016, 11:46 AM - Edit history (1)

All from: http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/3/1522849/-Conservatives-are-having-a-complete-meltdown-Enjoy

Conservatives are having an epic meltdown right now that Cruz dropped out. Trump is going to be their nominee, and they absolutely hate him.

They do not hate Trump because he is a complete idiot, mind you; nor because he is an unapologetic racist. No, those qualities have normally been features of their favored candidates. They hate Trump because they believe him to be strongly pro-Planned Parenthood, pro-transgender, and pro-choice. The fact that the GOP is going to nominate him as their frontrunner is a seismic loss for the social conservative movement that is used to dominating the republican party.

Now that Donald Trump has decisively won Indiana--right after he claimed Cruz’s dad had a hand in the JFK assassination--they are faced with the new, orange face of their party. Years of fanning the flames of hatred has led to a brush fire of ignorance that they can no longer control. Trump is their man, and they are going to lose this November. And I mean they are going to LOSE BIG.

Denial has given way to anger, frustration, panic. I didn’t want to do a bunch of screen captures, so I am retyping tweets and comments from tonight that you might find interesting. Just a small taste of what is going down on the conserva-sphere. Enjoy:

Redstate commenter
33 years as a Republican ends now. Good-bye GOP. I didn't leave you, you left me.


Ben Howe, Editor of Redstate
#I'mWithHer


Erik Erikson
I don't want to congratulate Hillary Clinton on winning the Presidency tonight, but she just did.


Sen.Lindsey Graham
If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed... and we will deserve it.


Nat. Review’s Charles C.W. Cook
Madam President.


McCain 08 Chief Campaign Strategist, Steve Schmidt
Republicans need to ask whether they love their country more than their party.


Conservative Blogger, Matt Walsh
Goodbye, Republican Party.


Mark Salter, GOP strategist
The GOP is going to nominate for President a guy who reads the National Enquirer and thinks it's on the level. I'm with her.


Managing Editor of the rightwing Conservative Examiner, Philip Klein
I have officially de-registered as a Republican.


Redstate commenter

Because of ignorant, low info, gullible morons, the best chance in freaking years to get a true principled conservative is blown. And this opportunity was wasted with the help of Fox News, Ben Carson, Sarah Dingbat Palin, faux Christian Robert Jeffress et al. Not to mention some who flat out stayed in the race too long...


Ok… NOW you admit Sarah is a dingbat?

I know you are terrified of the thought of having such a moron run our great country, but at the very least, now you know exactly how we felt. Don’t worry, though:

The Democratic nominee will definitely be the one in charge.
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Conservatives are having a complete meltdown... Enjoy. (Original Post) apnu May 2016 OP
Can we get Katie Couric to ask Trump...... safeinOhio May 2016 #1
We already know his answer: "I read the best Tweets. You can't imagine. Believe me, people love me." Bucky May 2016 #19
Mika Brzezinski has already beaten Couric by asking Trump who he's speaking to about foreign policy. TrollBuster9090 May 2016 #95
Dingbat ProfessorGAC May 2016 #2
That's Daily Kos saying that. But I agree with it and you. (nt) apnu May 2016 #4
"the new, orange face of their party" sufrommich May 2016 #3
We saw what happened to the last orange face of the party. Marie Marie May 2016 #71
Oh, you mean this guy???? LongTomH May 2016 #83
They may hate him but just like last time, they will hold their noses and vote for OregonBlue May 2016 #5
I agree... dhill926 May 2016 #14
The conservatives I know are skipping this election FLPanhandle May 2016 #17
If my facebook moonbabygo May 2016 #20
Fantastic ... aggiesal May 2016 #39
My socially liberal / conservative friends will vote Hillary. callous taoboy May 2016 #41
Yes, I knew a lot of Republicans that hated W NewJeffCT May 2016 #35
I must disagree GulfCoast66 May 2016 #50
what if their preacher tells them to vote for Dumpf or they'll burn in Hell? pstokely May 2016 #56
They are not in cults GulfCoast66 May 2016 #57
"They are not in cults" awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #87
In a nation GulfCoast66 May 2016 #99
AND we report 'em to the IRS for violating their tax-exempt status.... lastlib May 2016 #73
but will the follow their preacher's orders, legal or not? pstokely May 2016 #92
Or it's all psy-ops to make the Democrats complacent. wickerwoman May 2016 #90
Cry me a friggin river firebrand80 May 2016 #6
Well I didn't create him. I'm blue through and through. apnu May 2016 #8
Ah as predicted. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #7
Bwahahahahaha! MoonRiver May 2016 #9
Saw this on Reddit and thought it was interesting OnlinePoker May 2016 #10
That's the Trinity for you: God the Father, God the Son, and... JHB May 2016 #68
Only reason Trumpndidnt say it is because he thinks HE is God. nt stevenleser May 2016 #75
It's interesting how easily many of these Republicans are able to adopt the Hillary campaign slogan. Old Crow May 2016 #11
"Trump is their man, and they are going to lose this November...they are going to LOSE BIG." If Gene Debs May 2016 #12
He has been behind her in the polls for over a year now Downtown Hound May 2016 #60
^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^They would love him if he could win.^^^^^^^^ lindysalsagal May 2016 #81
Yes, wickerwoman May 2016 #91
Ahhhhh... the chickens have come home to roost. Coventina May 2016 #13
A-FREAKING-MEN nt auntpurl May 2016 #32
Trump pressbox69 May 2016 #59
"election stealing"...... lastlib May 2016 #74
And to think there are some supposed Democrats who want the Democratic Party to emulate the GOP. baldguy May 2016 #15
Meanwhile, at Trump headquarters LuckyTheDog May 2016 #16
Meanwhile, at RNC headquarters... auntpurl May 2016 #36
+1,000 (nt) LuckyTheDog May 2016 #55
Burning all the documents from the 2000 "election". roamer65 May 2016 #112
+2000. Lol!!!!!!! N/t lindysalsagal May 2016 #82
The Democratic nominee will definitely be the one in charge. AlbertCat May 2016 #18
Sorta like those 3 million+ more actual votes she has than Bernie? MoonRiver May 2016 #23
Uh... AlbertCat May 2016 #33
Trump is 13 points behind her in the GE. MoonRiver May 2016 #46
Cool! No need to work on her campaign then FrodosPet May 2016 #72
That's the kind of flawed thinking that could bring about a catastrophe RiverNoord May 2016 #49
Very good analysis... freebrew May 2016 #100
Thanks for your kind words. RiverNoord May 2016 #106
Most if not all of these people will be back LibDemAlways May 2016 #21
Trump will pick ... aggiesal May 2016 #51
I agree I posted about her being vetted last week DVRacer May 2016 #62
Yes, I predicted TM99 May 2016 #76
The GOP might be dead Glaisne May 2016 #22
Correct. While Republican conservative politics are a failure in every area, without exception, Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #27
winner Cosmocat May 2016 #96
that was just delightful to read. nt BootinUp May 2016 #24
and this meltdown occured because cruz quit? Javaman May 2016 #25
they've known, but the thought of cruz kept them hoping MidwestTech May 2016 #44
70 years of Republicans' refusal to fund education, and Trump is what they got for it. JDPriestly May 2016 #26
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! (nt) apnu May 2016 #29
Don't forget Palin! n/t aggiesal May 2016 #52
They are a bunch of mindless followers underpants May 2016 #61
Wherefore have I aforetime said, and here repeat again, Orrex May 2016 #28
You gave a list of reasons why conservatives hate Trump. world wide wally May 2016 #30
Well............ PatSeg May 2016 #65
I don't believe any of these guys because hotrod0808 May 2016 #31
Welcome to DU! (nt) apnu May 2016 #38
Well, we don't have a spoiler in this race WhiteTara May 2016 #42
We don't need a spoiler elljay May 2016 #47
I think they held their noses for GWB because they knew he was a lazy tool wickerwoman May 2016 #93
This will be fun to watch Gothmog May 2016 #34
You broke it; you pay for it. sarge43 May 2016 #37
To the repub/cons base, Trump is the most credible candidate. keithbvadu2 May 2016 #40
Thom Hartmann just interviewed Jamie Weinstein elljay May 2016 #43
If Gary Johnson is the Libertarian nominee, I see record numbers for them in November. roamer65 May 2016 #111
Could be elljay May 2016 #113
Steve Schmidt: "Republicans need to ask whether they love their country more than their party." SunSeeker May 2016 #45
Republicans and Conservatives in this country vote for selifsh reasons. apnu May 2016 #53
American Conservative thought* is based on selfishness. FSogol May 2016 #64
I don't think it is selfishness so much as it is a fundamental lack of empathy. Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #78
Not true. ^ world wide wally May 2016 #66
K&R! stonecutter357 May 2016 #48
Karma ... Martin Eden May 2016 #54
I have been hearing similar things on RW radio. DCBob May 2016 #58
in the end they will do whatever their FOX News / party masters tell them to do Skittles May 2016 #69
This is just hilarious GOPblows431 May 2016 #63
LOL. I wouldn't get so cocky. This isn't "Republicans", these are globalist plants IN... Shandris May 2016 #67
Don't assume Clinton Promethean May 2016 #70
Bribes? FFS. Metric System May 2016 #77
Hundreds of thousands of dollars Promethean May 2016 #89
Sorry Loki May 2016 #97
If we were talking about Republicans concreteblue May 2016 #102
That's the point, this IS a Democratic board Loki May 2016 #105
The point is we should have standards for our candidates. Promethean May 2016 #107
When you just keep repeating the republican talking points Loki May 2016 #108
Being anti-corruption is Republican talking points? Promethean May 2016 #109
You have proved nothing. Loki May 2016 #110
"Nuclear waste dump"... concreteblue May 2016 #114
Was that your retort for today? Loki May 2016 #115
So, you have nothing. concreteblue May 2016 #116
I have to prove nothing. Loki May 2016 #117
And therefore your incoherent spew concreteblue May 2016 #118
344 Posts and I'm on Ignore Loki May 2016 #119
And reading comprehension problems as well? concreteblue May 2016 #120
LOL Loki May 2016 #121
I have been a member for 9 plus years. concreteblue May 2016 #122
You probably won't read this but I don't care any more. Loki May 2016 #123
" it has made me realize just how gullible some people are and will continue to be. " concreteblue May 2016 #124
Read my mind ....... Loki May 2016 #125
They act as if they are suprised. C Moon May 2016 #79
And enjoy I did. Thanks very much for sharing this, it's genuinely hilarious. nt IamMab May 2016 #80
'Good' for them, but they are NOT 'conservatives.' elleng May 2016 #84
Establishment Republicans like Establishment Dems, live is a bubble. Katashi_itto May 2016 #85
Michael medved today - repub party went from stupid to dangerous Liberal_in_LA May 2016 #86
The Republican PArty is going to split into three parties Feeling the Bern May 2016 #88
These frustrated conservatives are GOP members, not the American voters at-large. DrBulldog May 2016 #94
That's The Only Poll Showing A Trump Lead ProfessorGAC May 2016 #103
The real story maindawg May 2016 #98
This meltdown is indeed amusing and fun to watch Gothmog May 2016 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #104
Come November, every one of them will get off the couch and go line up for Trump Warpy May 2016 #126

safeinOhio

(32,661 posts)
1. Can we get Katie Couric to ask Trump......
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:04 AM
May 2016

"Other than Fox news and the National Enquirer, what news source do you read or watch every day"

Bucky

(53,986 posts)
19. We already know his answer: "I read the best Tweets. You can't imagine. Believe me, people love me."
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:38 AM
May 2016

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
95. Mika Brzezinski has already beaten Couric by asking Trump who he's speaking to about foreign policy.
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:39 AM
May 2016

And he answered "I'm speaking to myself."



ProfessorGAC

(64,988 posts)
2. Dingbat
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:19 AM
May 2016

You commented on it, but that REALLY jumped off the page for me. As little as 2 years ago she was still the darling of the right. Now, she's a dingbat?
So, in 2008 they voted for a guy who chose a dingbat for a running mate, and it wasn't because they were voting against the black guy out of racism? Yeah sure.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
71. We saw what happened to the last orange face of the party.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

By the way, what is Boehner doing these days? Really, anybody know?

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
5. They may hate him but just like last time, they will hold their noses and vote for
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

Trump. I don't think he'll win but it will be a really ugly campaign. Sad.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
17. The conservatives I know are skipping this election
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016

Many can't even hold their noses tight enough to vote for Trump.

aggiesal

(8,910 posts)
39. Fantastic ...
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

That means all down-ticket races could go (D) as well.

Think about having the WH, Senate & House with (D) majorities.
Then add the Supreme Court with liberal leanings? I'm excited.

The only way to stop any (D) legislation would be to FILIBUSTER
everything, every time. And the (R) will do it. They won't care how
it looks!

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
35. Yes, I knew a lot of Republicans that hated W
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:02 PM
May 2016

But, ended up voting for him in the end because Rove & company made them so scared of Kerry that they got out & voted.

that said, will Trump have as good a GOTV machine as Rove & company did, or Obama in 2008/2012?

One guy I worked with back in 2004 was on the phone a lot for his job, and in the summer before the election, he was answering the phone with "Vote for Kerry" - but, the day after the election, he admitted to voting Bush because he got too scared of Kerry.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
50. I must disagree
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:52 PM
May 2016

I know several Fudementalist Christian type republicans. They truly believe it a sin to vote for a potentially pro-choice candidate and they will have to answer to god if they do so. They are sitting this one out.

They are principled in their twisted values.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
57. They are not in cults
Wed May 4, 2016, 02:15 PM
May 2016

If their preachers start threatening them churches would run them out. These people do not come across as mouth-breathers and can be valued co-workers. And they are not allowed to proselytize at work.

But they have strong personal beliefs that unfortunatly are all messed up.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
99. In a nation
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:25 AM
May 2016

Where a majority of the population considers themselves religious, deriding folks for that decision is not a great way to build a majority.

I prefer to deride specific actions that the religious take resulting in harm to their fellow citizens. I have found that this approach can lead to a change of heart. Specificily on the subject of same sex marriage. I know a few folks who personally believe it wrong, but changed their opinion on the legality of it and now support, or at least do not oppose same sex marriage.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
90. Or it's all psy-ops to make the Democrats complacent.
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:39 AM
May 2016

GWB got in in part because too many Democrats couldn't believe he was electable and didn't turn out. Pushing the meme that Trump can't win and that Hilary is a shoo-in will mean fewer Dems turn out which will help them down-ticket even if Trump is a lost cause.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
6. Cry me a friggin river
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

You created him by pretending the tea party rednecks represented intellectual conservatism, and feeding into their bigotry in the name of winning midterm elections. Give the base red meat for 8 years, and think they're going to settle for a plate of Jeb!?

You created this monster, I'm going enjoy watching you try to run from it.

apnu

(8,751 posts)
8. Well I didn't create him. I'm blue through and through.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:52 AM
May 2016

But I get your point. This is the bed conservatives made, they get to lay in it.

Given the educational level of many conservatives, I'm not sure they are aware of what kind of bed that is.

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
10. Saw this on Reddit and thought it was interesting
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:14 AM
May 2016

100% of the candidates who said "God" told them to run have now been eliminated. That God...always making jokes on us puny humans.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
11. It's interesting how easily many of these Republicans are able to adopt the Hillary campaign slogan.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:17 AM
May 2016

They're now "with her." Both platforms basically advance corporatism at the cost of the middle class, the chief difference being that one includes a pro-choice, pro-LGBT element, the other does not.

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
12. "Trump is their man, and they are going to lose this November...they are going to LOSE BIG." If
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:20 AM
May 2016

Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, I wouldn't be so sure Trump will lose.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
60. He has been behind her in the polls for over a year now
Wed May 4, 2016, 02:29 PM
May 2016

I am very curious as to why so many out there seem to have this strange faith in Trump that he's somehow a political mastermind. He's a loudmouth dunce that's alienated virtually every minority in the country and the single largest voting bloc...women. The reason why the Republican establishment is so afraid of him is because they're afraid he's going to turn off a generation of Latino and women voters away from the GOP forever. If they believed he could win, they would have welcomed him with open arms. They know he's doomed.

The demographics of the country have shifted enough to where you can't win the presidency with angry white guys alone. And that's pretty all Trump appeals to. And the Republican establishment knows that. Here, a little dose of reality for you:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Trump has no chance.

lindysalsagal

(20,648 posts)
81. ^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^They would love him if he could win.^^^^^^^^
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:01 AM
May 2016

They know he's not presidential. We cannot put this child in the white house.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
91. Yes,
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:51 AM
May 2016

the demographics of the US have finally reached the tipping point where Republicans can't win if only racist old men vote for them and they can't get racist old men to support a candidate who isn't a racist old man.

It's not just Trump that doesn't have a chance. None of their candidates ever had a shot. GWB squeaked in by uniting fiscal conservatives, racists, and evangelicals - not an easy ask. In 2016 that combination still wouldn't win the race without bringing conservative Hispanics into the fold and none of their candidates who could do that could also get the other core three groups behind them.

As a party they either stop being racist and lighten up on the attacks on women's rights or they never win another significant election.

Coventina

(27,093 posts)
13. Ahhhhh... the chickens have come home to roost.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:22 AM
May 2016

Enjoy the fruits of your misdeeds, you traitorous, election-stealing, blood-thirsty, woman-hating, minority-hating, knuckle draggers!!!

lastlib

(23,204 posts)
74. "election stealing"......
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:01 PM
May 2016

therein may lie Drumpf's salvation/election....... Paper Ballots! HAND COUNTS!!

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
15. And to think there are some supposed Democrats who want the Democratic Party to emulate the GOP.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

Schadenfreude should not be a "how-to" manual.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
18. The Democratic nominee will definitely be the one in charge.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:36 AM
May 2016

I don't think that's a given in Hillary's case.


And if she does prevail, it won't be because a majority like her or actually want her there.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
72. Cool! No need to work on her campaign then
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:15 PM
May 2016

Should I even take the time to go to the polls Nov 8?

Beware of complacency!

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
49. That's the kind of flawed thinking that could bring about a catastrophe
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:40 PM
May 2016

She doesn't have 3 million+ more actual votes than Bernie Sanders. Not in any way that makes any sense.

Hillary Clinton got 309,000 votes in Alabama's Democratic primary.

Minnesota has a greater population than Alabama, and has substantially more Democrats than Republicans.

But because Minnesota uses the DNC's preferred method of conducting a presidential preference poll, the caucus, the total vote count was only 204,610. And Bernie Sanders won 62/38.

The pledged delegate count is the only realistic way to come close to an assessment of the difference in support demonstrated by the primary/caucus process. And at this moment, the pledged delegate count is:

Clinton: 1,682 (55%)
Sanders: 1,361 (45%)

That's a difference of 321 delegates.

259 (80%) of that difference came from these primaries:

South Carolina: Feb. 27 (25)
Texas: March 1 (76)
Georgia: March 1 (44)
Virginia: March 1 (29)
Louisiana: March 5 (27)
Florida: March 15 (58)

Every one of those contests was a primary. That's the only reason why she has the 'vote count' spread.

Since March 15, Clinton hasn't won a state with the margins that she did in each of the above. And Sanders has won 9 of 15 states, as well as 'Americans Abroad.'

Many of us Bernie Sanders supporters are hoping that the Clinton Campaign is being very sober about this information, because we really, really don't want a President Donald Trump.

Unfortunately, just like she did in 2008 ('we've got more votes but right now he(Obama) has more delegates'), Clinton has spoken of the vote count in the same terms you refer to. Which is utterly wrong and inflates the actual demonstrated level of support for her candidacy coming out of the primary/caucuses process. I hope that's only primary/caucuses propaganda talk, because if it's the actual attitude inside the campaign, there is a very serious problem.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
100. Very good analysis...
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

I am also getting tired of the lies coming from that side.
The M$M constantly refers to delegate count including the sooper delegates.
Trying to make it sound as if HRC is SOOO far ahead.

She's not. Face it. This nation is full of idiots. Almost 50% vote R regardless of the qualifications of the candidate running.

The Rs haven't put up a viable candidate since Ike. And yet, somehow they still win.

We do not live in a real democracy, we live in a reality show.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
106. Thanks for your kind words.
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:18 PM
May 2016

Honestly, I don't understand why the argument should even have to be made. The turnout disparity between primaries and caucuses is a very simple matter. The process isn't - it's much too complex and can vary radically from state to state. But that's why the only thing we've really got to go on to assess support is the pledged delegate count.

I won't make an argument that the candidate who comes out with even, say, a 10% lead in pledged delegates shouldn't be the party's nominee. The process may have been deeply flawed, especially with respect to the people who ordered the media blackouts of Sanders's campaign. But if we disregard pledged delegate counts, we're just in a hopeless mess.

I also won't do Bernie a disservice and write in his name on a ballot, if he doesn't win the nomination. He's earned much better than that from us, and, if Clinton lost with a lot of Sanders write-ins, the legacy of his campaign would be forever tainted by the 'spoiler' moniker.

I just wish that more of us were scrutinizing the big picture from a neutral perspective. Actual reality doesn't change solely due to a person's preferred candidate in a political contest. Perception of reality does, and that's a problem that we all should be acknowledging as we consider possible futures.

As for 'the nation is full of idiots,' I won't argue with you on that point. Except that I pretty much include everyone in that group. Each of us is an idiot now and then. And our Constitution's model of representative democracy isn't idiot-proof, as the members of the Convention understood quite well. It does a pretty good job, on the whole, of trying to check the excesses of people engaged in organized idiocy, but there are lots of loopholes.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
21. Most if not all of these people will be back
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

in the Republican fold and voting for Trump in November. Some religious rightwinger will be strong armed into being his running mate, and all will be forgiven. I wouldn't be surprised if Cruz himself or, more likely, Rubio wasn't tapped for the job.

aggiesal

(8,910 posts)
51. Trump will pick ...
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:20 PM
May 2016

Suzana Martinez Gov. of NM.

A female hispanic to make amends to those he's offended.

DVRacer

(707 posts)
62. I agree I posted about her being vetted last week
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:24 PM
May 2016

A person I know and trust works in President Boren's office at Oklahoma University said her records there were being asked for. If not her than she is definitely on the short list.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
76. Yes, I predicted
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:07 PM
May 2016

a minority female running mate and people freaked out.

But I think she is definitely in the running.

Glaisne

(515 posts)
22. The GOP might be dead
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

but conservatism is still alive and well and the country will continue to suffer from it.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
27. Correct. While Republican conservative politics are a failure in every area, without exception,
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016

their overall appeal is hate and we have lots of that still around.

Javaman

(62,510 posts)
25. and this meltdown occured because cruz quit?
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:42 AM
May 2016

I think part of the gop's founding principals is delusion.

MidwestTech

(170 posts)
44. they've known, but the thought of cruz kept them hoping
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:20 PM
May 2016

that there could be a contested convention... legitimately
now that he's gone there's no legitimate way they can challenge drumpf
they WILL but they wont have the delegate excuse.
it's going to be a very fun convention

underpants

(182,736 posts)
61. They are a bunch of mindless followers
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:17 PM
May 2016

It still amazes me the memes and talking points for the contrived news story of the day that I see on Facebook.

Orrex

(63,199 posts)
28. Wherefore have I aforetime said, and here repeat again,
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:49 AM
May 2016

Do not call up Any that you cannot put down.

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
30. You gave a list of reasons why conservatives hate Trump.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

I'm just wondering how they know what his position is on anything.
All I have ever heard out of his mouth is word salad and how much he loves himself.

hotrod0808

(323 posts)
31. I don't believe any of these guys because
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:52 AM
May 2016

They vote party lines, regardless. They had to know W was an idiot, yet voted for them to protect their interests. McCain/Palin? Neither is a very good person, and don't start me on Romney. yet, none of those elections were landslides in favor of The Democratic nominee in popular vote. Never discard the coming election as a sure thing, because I will never forget how we did with Gore. That vote was close enough for them to literally steal that election, and it shouldn't have been.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
47. We don't need a spoiler
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:24 PM
May 2016

We have two presumptive candidates who are "self-spoilers." The majority of people who support either Clinton or Trump are not doing so because they like that candidate, but because they are voting against he other candidate. This may be unprecedented and it may not be possible to predict how this will play out.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
93. I think they held their noses for GWB because they knew he was a lazy tool
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:56 AM
May 2016

and that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld would be running everything.

They're balking at Trump because he's a loose cannon with a massive ego who will be out there actively destroying the country and not taking advice from anyone.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
43. Thom Hartmann just interviewed Jamie Weinstein
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

the head of the Daily Caller. Weinstein said that if the choices in the election are Trump vs. Clinton, it is like a choice between "Ebola and malaria." In that case, he said he would have to pick malaria (Clinton). This may be the first time I agree not only with a Conservative's selection, but his reasoning.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
111. If Gary Johnson is the Libertarian nominee, I see record numbers for them in November.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016

The Libertarians will gain a lot of the discontented voters.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
113. Could be
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:53 PM
May 2016

though I personally think most Republicans will fall back in line and support Trump. They are, after all, sheeple.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
45. Steve Schmidt: "Republicans need to ask whether they love their country more than their party."
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:23 PM
May 2016

Sadly, Steve, we all know the answer to that one. Republicans don't give a crap about this country, otherwise they wouldn't have lied us into a disasterous war and continually tried to shut our government down.

apnu

(8,751 posts)
53. Republicans and Conservatives in this country vote for selifsh reasons.
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

"What am I going to get out of this?" is the only question they pose when deciding on whom or what to support.

They are people motivated, solely, by self-interest. And if you ask them about it, they will tell you how and why they are so selfish.

Every vote, every choice, every action they make is about turning the situation to their personal advantage and everything else takes a back seat.

So, for the Republicans today, they are all trying to figure out how Trump helps them personally. And if they can't find a good reason, they'll stay home, or they'll vote Hillary in the GE, if they honestly think she'll help them.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
78. I don't think it is selfishness so much as it is a fundamental lack of empathy.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:17 PM
May 2016

The average Joe has nothing tangible to gain by voting Republican. Instead, he does so because he fervently believes society gives undeserving people "free stuff". Because he can't see things from anyone's perspective but his own, this seems to him a profoundly unfair set of circumstances.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
58. I have been hearing similar things on RW radio.
Wed May 4, 2016, 02:20 PM
May 2016

Many are livid and are vowing never to vote for Trump no matter what. Sounds like they are willing to sacrifice this election to make sure Trump doesnt become the face of the Republican party.

Skittles

(153,141 posts)
69. in the end they will do whatever their FOX News / party masters tell them to do
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:48 PM
May 2016

idiots, all of them

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
67. LOL. I wouldn't get so cocky. This isn't "Republicans", these are globalist plants IN...
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:28 PM
May 2016

...the Republicans. I've been watching their type all day, but it's mainly just the establishment leaders. Sure, it looks messy, but that's because they have big voices. IOW, these people didn't vote for Trump to begin with and were still soundly, totally, and completely blown out in vote numbers. That means 'new voters', not 'one of my lifelong 20,000 followers'. In short, they were completely mauled by a group of bored meme makers who had a fight picked with them a couple years ago and a few other professionals working under what is ostensibly the 'Trump campaign', and one powerhouse named Roger Stone. A 50+ year plan of global governance was essentially brought low by anime watchers, an old man, and a couple small companies (or it will go down as the second-greatest long con in the history of the world).

Their voices won't mean a damn thing in 2 months. They don't mean a thing NOW. This is literally 5 Stages of Grief stuff here. Anger.

Now, that doesn't mean we won't still win. Just that we shouldn't get cocky. This will NOT be a cakewalk unless Bernie is our nominee.

Promethean

(468 posts)
70. Don't assume Clinton
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

will defeat Trump. Clinton burned the bridges with Sanders Democrats with her bribes and right wing policy so she is going to have the exact same problem as Trump will as described in the article.

Promethean

(468 posts)
89. Hundreds of thousands of dollars
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:46 AM
May 2016

from financial groups for an hour long speech doesn't strike you as an obvious bribe? Because speaking to someone for an hour is worth 250k right? There is no way this was a thinly veiled cover for bribery right?

Then there are the numerous times its been recorded that she held up foreign contracts until a "donation" was made to the Clinton foundation. What Saudi Arabia you want this weapons contract? Oh theres your "donation" ok its approved.

These are just the extra bribes she took outside the general system of legalized bribery that defines our political process. The bribery and corruption are blatant and obvious. You have to almost literally be burying your head in the sand to miss it.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
102. If we were talking about Republicans
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:45 AM
May 2016

You would be in complete agreement. Nobody misses that from H supporters. At least not on this board.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
105. That's the point, this IS a Democratic board
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

I'm not going to tear down a Democrat to make my candidate look good. That's all you have.

Promethean

(468 posts)
107. The point is we should have standards for our candidates.
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:28 PM
May 2016

The whole reason for supporting the Democratic party is that they are supposed to be the good politicians. The ones who aren't corrupted. Who don't bow down to the oligarchs. The ones who won't push "free trade" deals to screw us over. If a Dem acts effectively like what we expect from a Republican at every turn we are supposed to just ignore it because they put a D next to their name? I am not loyal to the party. I am loyal to the ideas and the policy.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
108. When you just keep repeating the republican talking points
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

I can choose to ignore them. I'm a Democrat, not an independent or a libertarian. If Mr. Sanders was so sure of his ideology, then he should have run as an Independent, not as a Democrat, then turn around and use the republican ideological smear machine. Unless you think that dumping your nuclear waste on poor communities doesnt qualify as corrupt politics. Because the poor don't vote, do they?

Promethean

(468 posts)
109. Being anti-corruption is Republican talking points?
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:50 PM
May 2016

That is what you are saying. That its the Republicans that are the party that opposes corruption. Seriously consider the repercussions of that to an uninformed voter. "I ignore this guy on a Democratic forum because hes strongly anti-corruption, stupid Republican talking points." Also I get this information from left wing media. TYT, Secular Talk, Thom Hartmann, Humanist Report. It seems no matter how much you want to label anti-corruption a right wing stance the left is very strongly against it.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
110. You have proved nothing.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:34 PM
May 2016

Thom Hartman, TYT. Really? They are so unbiased, and expert in their field. If WC Fields came out against Hillary, you would call him and expert too. I noticed you didn't answer the statement about the existence of the nuclear waste dump on poor communities of which Mr. Sanders was extremely involved in. Nothing to see there, right, just poor people who will die from cancer, as well as their children and their children. Such a nice guy,your Bernie.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
114. "Nuclear waste dump"...
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:29 PM
May 2016

Wow. Thank you for proving Clinton supporters are CONNEDservatives at heart.
By all accounts I have found, the facility in question processes latex gloves, scapels, and those little red boxes you see in the emergency room.
If you have some information proving otherwise, please share it. Until then, you should probably think twice about looking stupid on the internet.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
116. So, you have nothing.
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

No links to articles supporting your contentions?
Got it.
ThAnk you for proving my point.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
120. And reading comprehension problems as well?
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:17 AM
May 2016

You really ARE a CONservative!
No, I don't put people on "Ignore". I like to point out teh stupid wherever it rears it's ridiculous head. See you next time!

Loki

(3,825 posts)
121. LOL
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:18 AM
May 2016

This is really laughable. Argument is not your strong suit and this is boring. Could make a play on your screen name CONcreteblue. Keep your day job.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
122. I have been a member for 9 plus years.
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:31 AM
May 2016

Just never posted alot. And I could make fun of you all day. You are so far out of your league in that respect you will never know. And for someone who makes outrageous claims and then refuses to support them, and THEN is dismissive, claiming their opponent is inept? Well let's just keep doing it and see where that goes, hmmm?

Loki

(3,825 posts)
123. You probably won't read this but I don't care any more.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:04 PM
May 2016

After watching what happened to the women and children exiting the rally for Hillary where they were screamed at and insulted with profanities by Bernie supporters, well if you support that kind of behavior, we really do have nothing in common. After watching Senator Barbara Boxer booed and the women who are constantly being insulted because we support a candidate that isn't Bernie, and he does nothing to rein in this kind of infantile behavior, we have nothing in common. It should be insulting to anyone who has code of behavior that was instilled by our parents, at least it was by mine. I expect that from the Republicans, not from people calling themselves Democrats, and I don't care who you are supporting, it should be called out and condemned. All I see is the Republican smear, propaganda and insults. That will never convince me, I've listened to that crap since 1993 and beyond and if anything, it has made me realize just how gullible some people are and will continue to be.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
124. " it has made me realize just how gullible some people are and will continue to be. "
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:24 PM
May 2016

No Irony there, no...
Barbara Boxer was booed because she was insulting Bernie's delegates and supporting the theft of the NV caucaus by the NVDP for the Clinton campaign. Not because she is a woman, not because Bernie supporters are "bros" or any other made up bullshit (remember the "Obama Boys" from 2008?). Get off the cross. Somebody needs the wood....

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
79. They act as if they are suprised.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:41 PM
May 2016

They were more than happy with all the excitement the tea party generated for the GOP, now let them brew in it.

elleng

(130,861 posts)
84. 'Good' for them, but they are NOT 'conservatives.'
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:16 AM
May 2016

Definition: 'holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation'

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
88. The Republican PArty is going to split into three parties
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:37 AM
May 2016

1: The NE Establishment Rockefeller Republican business criminals.
2: The Southern, thump your bible, social conservative fascist.
3: The Western "broken clock is right twice a day" libertarian sociopaths.

Goodbye, GOP. . .we hardly knew you! Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
94. These frustrated conservatives are GOP members, not the American voters at-large.
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:25 AM
May 2016

This week's national Rasmussen poll: Trump 41%, Clinton 39%.

ProfessorGAC

(64,988 posts)
103. That's The Only Poll Showing A Trump Lead
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:47 AM
May 2016

The ONLY one. And, they showed Romney ahead of Obama, and then he got clobbered.

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
98. The real story
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:54 AM
May 2016

Is that Hillary has garnered so much support from the establishment rethuglicans. She is an establishment rethuglicans. They have announced her their candidate. The progressive left, 50% of the electorate is out in the cold. With presumably no candidate. They think.
The GOP is dead. The DNC is the new conservative bastion. Progressives are moving on. That big green tent is going to rock this election !

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Warpy

(111,237 posts)
126. Come November, every one of them will get off the couch and go line up for Trump
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

because they're terrified of having another Clinton in the White House, although they could never tell any of us why.

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