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All from: http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/3/1522849/-Conservatives-are-having-a-complete-meltdown-Enjoy
Conservatives are having an epic meltdown right now that Cruz dropped out. Trump is going to be their nominee, and they absolutely hate him.
They do not hate Trump because he is a complete idiot, mind you; nor because he is an unapologetic racist. No, those qualities have normally been features of their favored candidates. They hate Trump because they believe him to be strongly pro-Planned Parenthood, pro-transgender, and pro-choice. The fact that the GOP is going to nominate him as their frontrunner is a seismic loss for the social conservative movement that is used to dominating the republican party.
Now that Donald Trump has decisively won Indiana--right after he claimed Cruzs dad had a hand in the JFK assassination--they are faced with the new, orange face of their party. Years of fanning the flames of hatred has led to a brush fire of ignorance that they can no longer control. Trump is their man, and they are going to lose this November. And I mean they are going to LOSE BIG.
Denial has given way to anger, frustration, panic. I didnt want to do a bunch of screen captures, so I am retyping tweets and comments from tonight that you might find interesting. Just a small taste of what is going down on the conserva-sphere. Enjoy:
Redstate commenter33 years as a Republican ends now. Good-bye GOP. I didn't leave you, you left me.
Ben Howe, Editor of Redstate#I'mWithHer
Erik EriksonI don't want to congratulate Hillary Clinton on winning the Presidency tonight, but she just did.
Sen.Lindsey GrahamIf we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed... and we will deserve it.
Nat. Reviews Charles C.W. CookMadam President.
McCain 08 Chief Campaign Strategist, Steve SchmidtRepublicans need to ask whether they love their country more than their party.
Conservative Blogger, Matt WalshGoodbye, Republican Party.
Mark Salter, GOP strategistThe GOP is going to nominate for President a guy who reads the National Enquirer and thinks it's on the level. I'm with her.
Managing Editor of the rightwing Conservative Examiner, Philip KleinI have officially de-registered as a Republican.
Redstate commenter
Because of ignorant, low info, gullible morons, the best chance in freaking years to get a true principled conservative is blown. And this opportunity was wasted with the help of Fox News, Ben Carson, Sarah Dingbat Palin, faux Christian Robert Jeffress et al. Not to mention some who flat out stayed in the race too long...
Ok NOW you admit Sarah is a dingbat?
I know you are terrified of the thought of having such a moron run our great country, but at the very least, now you know exactly how we felt. Dont worry, though:
The Democratic nominee will definitely be the one in charge.
safeinOhio
(32,661 posts)"Other than Fox news and the National Enquirer, what news source do you read or watch every day"
Bucky
(53,986 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)And he answered "I'm speaking to myself."
ProfessorGAC
(64,988 posts)You commented on it, but that REALLY jumped off the page for me. As little as 2 years ago she was still the darling of the right. Now, she's a dingbat?
So, in 2008 they voted for a guy who chose a dingbat for a running mate, and it wasn't because they were voting against the black guy out of racism? Yeah sure.
apnu
(8,751 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)By the way, what is Boehner doing these days? Really, anybody know?
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)Trump. I don't think he'll win but it will be a really ugly campaign. Sad.
dhill926
(16,336 posts)and am worried the ugliness will turn off a generation of voters....
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Many can't even hold their noses tight enough to vote for Trump.
moonbabygo
(281 posts)is any indication of what conservatives are thinking, they are elated.
aggiesal
(8,910 posts)That means all down-ticket races could go (D) as well.
Think about having the WH, Senate & House with (D) majorities.
Then add the Supreme Court with liberal leanings? I'm excited.
The only way to stop any (D) legislation would be to FILIBUSTER
everything, every time. And the (R) will do it. They won't care how
it looks!
callous taoboy
(4,584 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)But, ended up voting for him in the end because Rove & company made them so scared of Kerry that they got out & voted.
that said, will Trump have as good a GOTV machine as Rove & company did, or Obama in 2008/2012?
One guy I worked with back in 2004 was on the phone a lot for his job, and in the summer before the election, he was answering the phone with "Vote for Kerry" - but, the day after the election, he admitted to voting Bush because he got too scared of Kerry.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I know several Fudementalist Christian type republicans. They truly believe it a sin to vote for a potentially pro-choice candidate and they will have to answer to god if they do so. They are sitting this one out.
They are principled in their twisted values.
pstokely
(10,525 posts)?
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)If their preachers start threatening them churches would run them out. These people do not come across as mouth-breathers and can be valued co-workers. And they are not allowed to proselytize at work.
But they have strong personal beliefs that unfortunatly are all messed up.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Sure they are. Calling it a religion doesn't mean it isn't a cult.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Where a majority of the population considers themselves religious, deriding folks for that decision is not a great way to build a majority.
I prefer to deride specific actions that the religious take resulting in harm to their fellow citizens. I have found that this approach can lead to a change of heart. Specificily on the subject of same sex marriage. I know a few folks who personally believe it wrong, but changed their opinion on the legality of it and now support, or at least do not oppose same sex marriage.
lastlib
(23,204 posts)...for partisan purposes!
pstokely
(10,525 posts)?
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)GWB got in in part because too many Democrats couldn't believe he was electable and didn't turn out. Pushing the meme that Trump can't win and that Hilary is a shoo-in will mean fewer Dems turn out which will help them down-ticket even if Trump is a lost cause.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)You created him by pretending the tea party rednecks represented intellectual conservatism, and feeding into their bigotry in the name of winning midterm elections. Give the base red meat for 8 years, and think they're going to settle for a plate of Jeb!?
You created this monster, I'm going enjoy watching you try to run from it.
apnu
(8,751 posts)But I get your point. This is the bed conservatives made, they get to lay in it.
Given the educational level of many conservatives, I'm not sure they are aware of what kind of bed that is.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Enjoy the growth of the new Conservative party.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Trump is the creation of these morons. Let them eat cake now!
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)100% of the candidates who said "God" told them to run have now been eliminated. That God...always making jokes on us puny humans.
JHB
(37,158 posts)...God the Trolly Spirit.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)They're now "with her." Both platforms basically advance corporatism at the cost of the middle class, the chief difference being that one includes a pro-choice, pro-LGBT element, the other does not.
Gene Debs
(582 posts)Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, I wouldn't be so sure Trump will lose.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)I am very curious as to why so many out there seem to have this strange faith in Trump that he's somehow a political mastermind. He's a loudmouth dunce that's alienated virtually every minority in the country and the single largest voting bloc...women. The reason why the Republican establishment is so afraid of him is because they're afraid he's going to turn off a generation of Latino and women voters away from the GOP forever. If they believed he could win, they would have welcomed him with open arms. They know he's doomed.
The demographics of the country have shifted enough to where you can't win the presidency with angry white guys alone. And that's pretty all Trump appeals to. And the Republican establishment knows that. Here, a little dose of reality for you:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
Trump has no chance.
lindysalsagal
(20,648 posts)They know he's not presidential. We cannot put this child in the white house.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)the demographics of the US have finally reached the tipping point where Republicans can't win if only racist old men vote for them and they can't get racist old men to support a candidate who isn't a racist old man.
It's not just Trump that doesn't have a chance. None of their candidates ever had a shot. GWB squeaked in by uniting fiscal conservatives, racists, and evangelicals - not an easy ask. In 2016 that combination still wouldn't win the race without bringing conservative Hispanics into the fold and none of their candidates who could do that could also get the other core three groups behind them.
As a party they either stop being racist and lighten up on the attacks on women's rights or they never win another significant election.
Coventina
(27,093 posts)Enjoy the fruits of your misdeeds, you traitorous, election-stealing, blood-thirsty, woman-hating, minority-hating, knuckle draggers!!!
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)pressbox69
(2,252 posts)will get clobbered in November.
lastlib
(23,204 posts)therein may lie Drumpf's salvation/election....... Paper Ballots! HAND COUNTS!!
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Schadenfreude should not be a "how-to" manual.
LuckyTheDog
(6,837 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)LuckyTheDog
(6,837 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,648 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I don't think that's a given in Hillary's case.
And if she does prevail, it won't be because a majority like her or actually want her there.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)the primary is not the general.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Hillary's got this!
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Should I even take the time to go to the polls Nov 8?
Beware of complacency!
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)She doesn't have 3 million+ more actual votes than Bernie Sanders. Not in any way that makes any sense.
Hillary Clinton got 309,000 votes in Alabama's Democratic primary.
Minnesota has a greater population than Alabama, and has substantially more Democrats than Republicans.
But because Minnesota uses the DNC's preferred method of conducting a presidential preference poll, the caucus, the total vote count was only 204,610. And Bernie Sanders won 62/38.
The pledged delegate count is the only realistic way to come close to an assessment of the difference in support demonstrated by the primary/caucus process. And at this moment, the pledged delegate count is:
Clinton: 1,682 (55%)
Sanders: 1,361 (45%)
That's a difference of 321 delegates.
259 (80%) of that difference came from these primaries:
South Carolina: Feb. 27 (25)
Texas: March 1 (76)
Georgia: March 1 (44)
Virginia: March 1 (29)
Louisiana: March 5 (27)
Florida: March 15 (58)
Every one of those contests was a primary. That's the only reason why she has the 'vote count' spread.
Since March 15, Clinton hasn't won a state with the margins that she did in each of the above. And Sanders has won 9 of 15 states, as well as 'Americans Abroad.'
Many of us Bernie Sanders supporters are hoping that the Clinton Campaign is being very sober about this information, because we really, really don't want a President Donald Trump.
Unfortunately, just like she did in 2008 ('we've got more votes but right now he(Obama) has more delegates'), Clinton has spoken of the vote count in the same terms you refer to. Which is utterly wrong and inflates the actual demonstrated level of support for her candidacy coming out of the primary/caucuses process. I hope that's only primary/caucuses propaganda talk, because if it's the actual attitude inside the campaign, there is a very serious problem.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)I am also getting tired of the lies coming from that side.
The M$M constantly refers to delegate count including the sooper delegates.
Trying to make it sound as if HRC is SOOO far ahead.
She's not. Face it. This nation is full of idiots. Almost 50% vote R regardless of the qualifications of the candidate running.
The Rs haven't put up a viable candidate since Ike. And yet, somehow they still win.
We do not live in a real democracy, we live in a reality show.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)Honestly, I don't understand why the argument should even have to be made. The turnout disparity between primaries and caucuses is a very simple matter. The process isn't - it's much too complex and can vary radically from state to state. But that's why the only thing we've really got to go on to assess support is the pledged delegate count.
I won't make an argument that the candidate who comes out with even, say, a 10% lead in pledged delegates shouldn't be the party's nominee. The process may have been deeply flawed, especially with respect to the people who ordered the media blackouts of Sanders's campaign. But if we disregard pledged delegate counts, we're just in a hopeless mess.
I also won't do Bernie a disservice and write in his name on a ballot, if he doesn't win the nomination. He's earned much better than that from us, and, if Clinton lost with a lot of Sanders write-ins, the legacy of his campaign would be forever tainted by the 'spoiler' moniker.
I just wish that more of us were scrutinizing the big picture from a neutral perspective. Actual reality doesn't change solely due to a person's preferred candidate in a political contest. Perception of reality does, and that's a problem that we all should be acknowledging as we consider possible futures.
As for 'the nation is full of idiots,' I won't argue with you on that point. Except that I pretty much include everyone in that group. Each of us is an idiot now and then. And our Constitution's model of representative democracy isn't idiot-proof, as the members of the Convention understood quite well. It does a pretty good job, on the whole, of trying to check the excesses of people engaged in organized idiocy, but there are lots of loopholes.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)in the Republican fold and voting for Trump in November. Some religious rightwinger will be strong armed into being his running mate, and all will be forgiven. I wouldn't be surprised if Cruz himself or, more likely, Rubio wasn't tapped for the job.
aggiesal
(8,910 posts)Suzana Martinez Gov. of NM.
A female hispanic to make amends to those he's offended.
DVRacer
(707 posts)A person I know and trust works in President Boren's office at Oklahoma University said her records there were being asked for. If not her than she is definitely on the short list.
TM99
(8,352 posts)a minority female running mate and people freaked out.
But I think she is definitely in the running.
Glaisne
(515 posts)but conservatism is still alive and well and the country will continue to suffer from it.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)their overall appeal is hate and we have lots of that still around.
Cosmocat
(14,561 posts)Ive said and mosted this 1,000 times.
BootinUp
(47,138 posts)Javaman
(62,510 posts)I think part of the gop's founding principals is delusion.
MidwestTech
(170 posts)that there could be a contested convention... legitimately
now that he's gone there's no legitimate way they can challenge drumpf
they WILL but they wont have the delegate excuse.
it's going to be a very fun convention
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)apnu
(8,751 posts)aggiesal
(8,910 posts)underpants
(182,736 posts)It still amazes me the memes and talking points for the contrived news story of the day that I see on Facebook.
Orrex
(63,199 posts)Do not call up Any that you cannot put down.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)I'm just wondering how they know what his position is on anything.
All I have ever heard out of his mouth is word salad and how much he loves himself.
PatSeg
(47,370 posts)Everything is going to be great and terrific, you won't believe!!!
hotrod0808
(323 posts)They vote party lines, regardless. They had to know W was an idiot, yet voted for them to protect their interests. McCain/Palin? Neither is a very good person, and don't start me on Romney. yet, none of those elections were landslides in favor of The Democratic nominee in popular vote. Never discard the coming election as a sure thing, because I will never forget how we did with Gore. That vote was close enough for them to literally steal that election, and it shouldn't have been.
apnu
(8,751 posts)WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)so it should be a little easier. BTW welcome to DU
elljay
(1,178 posts)We have two presumptive candidates who are "self-spoilers." The majority of people who support either Clinton or Trump are not doing so because they like that candidate, but because they are voting against he other candidate. This may be unprecedented and it may not be possible to predict how this will play out.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)and that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld would be running everything.
They're balking at Trump because he's a loose cannon with a massive ego who will be out there actively destroying the country and not taking advice from anyone.
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)Has anyone made popcorn?
keithbvadu2
(36,747 posts)elljay
(1,178 posts)the head of the Daily Caller. Weinstein said that if the choices in the election are Trump vs. Clinton, it is like a choice between "Ebola and malaria." In that case, he said he would have to pick malaria (Clinton). This may be the first time I agree not only with a Conservative's selection, but his reasoning.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)The Libertarians will gain a lot of the discontented voters.
elljay
(1,178 posts)though I personally think most Republicans will fall back in line and support Trump. They are, after all, sheeple.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Sadly, Steve, we all know the answer to that one. Republicans don't give a crap about this country, otherwise they wouldn't have lied us into a disasterous war and continually tried to shut our government down.
apnu
(8,751 posts)"What am I going to get out of this?" is the only question they pose when deciding on whom or what to support.
They are people motivated, solely, by self-interest. And if you ask them about it, they will tell you how and why they are so selfish.
Every vote, every choice, every action they make is about turning the situation to their personal advantage and everything else takes a back seat.
So, for the Republicans today, they are all trying to figure out how Trump helps them personally. And if they can't find a good reason, they'll stay home, or they'll vote Hillary in the GE, if they honestly think she'll help them.
FSogol
(45,470 posts)* Oxymoron?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)The average Joe has nothing tangible to gain by voting Republican. Instead, he does so because he fervently believes society gives undeserving people "free stuff". Because he can't see things from anyone's perspective but his own, this seems to him a profoundly unfair set of circumstances.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)Republicans always vote again not their self interests... Unless they are rich
stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)Martin Eden
(12,863 posts)... been a long time coming, richly deserved.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Many are livid and are vowing never to vote for Trump no matter what. Sounds like they are willing to sacrifice this election to make sure Trump doesnt become the face of the Republican party.
Skittles
(153,141 posts)idiots, all of them
GOPblows431
(51 posts)The GOP deserves all the losses they will get.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)...the Republicans. I've been watching their type all day, but it's mainly just the establishment leaders. Sure, it looks messy, but that's because they have big voices. IOW, these people didn't vote for Trump to begin with and were still soundly, totally, and completely blown out in vote numbers. That means 'new voters', not 'one of my lifelong 20,000 followers'. In short, they were completely mauled by a group of bored meme makers who had a fight picked with them a couple years ago and a few other professionals working under what is ostensibly the 'Trump campaign', and one powerhouse named Roger Stone. A 50+ year plan of global governance was essentially brought low by anime watchers, an old man, and a couple small companies (or it will go down as the second-greatest long con in the history of the world).
Their voices won't mean a damn thing in 2 months. They don't mean a thing NOW. This is literally 5 Stages of Grief stuff here. Anger.
Now, that doesn't mean we won't still win. Just that we shouldn't get cocky. This will NOT be a cakewalk unless Bernie is our nominee.
Promethean
(468 posts)will defeat Trump. Clinton burned the bridges with Sanders Democrats with her bribes and right wing policy so she is going to have the exact same problem as Trump will as described in the article.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Promethean
(468 posts)from financial groups for an hour long speech doesn't strike you as an obvious bribe? Because speaking to someone for an hour is worth 250k right? There is no way this was a thinly veiled cover for bribery right?
Then there are the numerous times its been recorded that she held up foreign contracts until a "donation" was made to the Clinton foundation. What Saudi Arabia you want this weapons contract? Oh theres your "donation" ok its approved.
These are just the extra bribes she took outside the general system of legalized bribery that defines our political process. The bribery and corruption are blatant and obvious. You have to almost literally be burying your head in the sand to miss it.
The regurgitation of right wing talking points is not fact. Keep talking to yourself.
concreteblue
(626 posts)You would be in complete agreement. Nobody misses that from H supporters. At least not on this board.
Loki
(3,825 posts)I'm not going to tear down a Democrat to make my candidate look good. That's all you have.
Promethean
(468 posts)The whole reason for supporting the Democratic party is that they are supposed to be the good politicians. The ones who aren't corrupted. Who don't bow down to the oligarchs. The ones who won't push "free trade" deals to screw us over. If a Dem acts effectively like what we expect from a Republican at every turn we are supposed to just ignore it because they put a D next to their name? I am not loyal to the party. I am loyal to the ideas and the policy.
Loki
(3,825 posts)I can choose to ignore them. I'm a Democrat, not an independent or a libertarian. If Mr. Sanders was so sure of his ideology, then he should have run as an Independent, not as a Democrat, then turn around and use the republican ideological smear machine. Unless you think that dumping your nuclear waste on poor communities doesnt qualify as corrupt politics. Because the poor don't vote, do they?
Promethean
(468 posts)That is what you are saying. That its the Republicans that are the party that opposes corruption. Seriously consider the repercussions of that to an uninformed voter. "I ignore this guy on a Democratic forum because hes strongly anti-corruption, stupid Republican talking points." Also I get this information from left wing media. TYT, Secular Talk, Thom Hartmann, Humanist Report. It seems no matter how much you want to label anti-corruption a right wing stance the left is very strongly against it.
Loki
(3,825 posts)Thom Hartman, TYT. Really? They are so unbiased, and expert in their field. If WC Fields came out against Hillary, you would call him and expert too. I noticed you didn't answer the statement about the existence of the nuclear waste dump on poor communities of which Mr. Sanders was extremely involved in. Nothing to see there, right, just poor people who will die from cancer, as well as their children and their children. Such a nice guy,your Bernie.
concreteblue
(626 posts)Wow. Thank you for proving Clinton supporters are CONNEDservatives at heart.
By all accounts I have found, the facility in question processes latex gloves, scapels, and those little red boxes you see in the emergency room.
If you have some information proving otherwise, please share it. Until then, you should probably think twice about looking stupid on the internet.
Loki
(3,825 posts)Not impressed.
concreteblue
(626 posts)No links to articles supporting your contentions?
Got it.
ThAnk you for proving my point.
Loki
(3,825 posts)Got it?
concreteblue
(626 posts)Will be dutifully ignored by anyone paying attention.
Got it?
Loki
(3,825 posts)I'm really impressed now.
concreteblue
(626 posts)You really ARE a CONservative!
No, I don't put people on "Ignore". I like to point out teh stupid wherever it rears it's ridiculous head. See you next time!
This is really laughable. Argument is not your strong suit and this is boring. Could make a play on your screen name CONcreteblue. Keep your day job.
concreteblue
(626 posts)Just never posted alot. And I could make fun of you all day. You are so far out of your league in that respect you will never know. And for someone who makes outrageous claims and then refuses to support them, and THEN is dismissive, claiming their opponent is inept? Well let's just keep doing it and see where that goes, hmmm?
Loki
(3,825 posts)After watching what happened to the women and children exiting the rally for Hillary where they were screamed at and insulted with profanities by Bernie supporters, well if you support that kind of behavior, we really do have nothing in common. After watching Senator Barbara Boxer booed and the women who are constantly being insulted because we support a candidate that isn't Bernie, and he does nothing to rein in this kind of infantile behavior, we have nothing in common. It should be insulting to anyone who has code of behavior that was instilled by our parents, at least it was by mine. I expect that from the Republicans, not from people calling themselves Democrats, and I don't care who you are supporting, it should be called out and condemned. All I see is the Republican smear, propaganda and insults. That will never convince me, I've listened to that crap since 1993 and beyond and if anything, it has made me realize just how gullible some people are and will continue to be.
concreteblue
(626 posts)No Irony there, no...
Barbara Boxer was booed because she was insulting Bernie's delegates and supporting the theft of the NV caucaus by the NVDP for the Clinton campaign. Not because she is a woman, not because Bernie supporters are "bros" or any other made up bullshit (remember the "Obama Boys" from 2008?). Get off the cross. Somebody needs the wood....
Loki
(3,825 posts)C Moon
(12,212 posts)They were more than happy with all the excitement the tea party generated for the GOP, now let them brew in it.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)elleng
(130,861 posts)Definition: 'holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation'
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)1: The NE Establishment Rockefeller Republican business criminals.
2: The Southern, thump your bible, social conservative fascist.
3: The Western "broken clock is right twice a day" libertarian sociopaths.
Goodbye, GOP. . .we hardly knew you! Good riddance to bad rubbish.
DrBulldog
(841 posts)This week's national Rasmussen poll: Trump 41%, Clinton 39%.
ProfessorGAC
(64,988 posts)The ONLY one. And, they showed Romney ahead of Obama, and then he got clobbered.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)Is that Hillary has garnered so much support from the establishment rethuglicans. She is an establishment rethuglicans. They have announced her their candidate. The progressive left, 50% of the electorate is out in the cold. With presumably no candidate. They think.
The GOP is dead. The DNC is the new conservative bastion. Progressives are moving on. That big green tent is going to rock this election !
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)Response to apnu (Original post)
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Warpy
(111,237 posts)because they're terrified of having another Clinton in the White House, although they could never tell any of us why.