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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsClinton has consistently been ahead in head to head match up polls with Trump.
This is great news for this current moment in time. We have a starting point. Clinton is moving on to the GE and just like Trump gets to start his GE campaign early. Not only do I believe we are in a solid position now, I believe we can actually build off of it. Nothing is guaranteed. This is going to be the fight of a lifetime. I will take a win against trump no matter how it comes. By ten electoral points or over a hundred.
CNN/ORC 4/28 - 5/1 890 RV 3.5 54 41 Clinton +13
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton IBD/TIPP Clinton 47, Trump 40 Clinton +7
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton GWU/Battleground Clinton 46, Trump 43 Clinton +3
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton USA Today/Suffolk Clinton 50, Trump 39 Clinton +11
Florida: Trump vs. Clinton AIF (R) Clinton 49, Trump 36 Clinton +13
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Trump has won the nomination process, so it is time to keep an eye on comparisons.
UTUSN
(70,680 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Quite the flip-flop. Since GE polls are now considered valid by Hillarians, I'll remind you that Sanders polls much better against Trump than Hillary does.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)But it's still very early to take them too seriously. It's good news - nothing more. We cannot be complacent.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I guess I wasn't clear enough. It is a positive sign but nothing more.
"We cannot be complacent."
We must be proactive and work hard to get Clinton elected.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I was responding to the previous poster.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sometimes I read replies and then read my op again and wonder where the reply came from. I try to be fair when addressing people.
I appreciate you taking the time to read my op and take it for how it was meant. I'm not sure how anyone reading could feel slighted in any way.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It is Clinton V Trump. It makes sense to at least take them into consideration at this point.
They say absolutely nothing about what will happen when voting starts. They will obviously fluctuate as the GE moves forward.
My post isn't about Sanders or the primary.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Glad you now recognize GE polls are acceptable.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Glad you now recognize Clinton leads Trump in these polls. I do not use these polls to determine who I vote for in a primary as you do. It's really not significant at this point as I'm no longer in primary mode. We are in really solid shape moving forward but will have to work hard.
Bucky
(53,997 posts)It ain't October yet. I would advise more time hatchin' eggs and less time spent on counting our chicks
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)So it looks like your advice has fallen on agreeable ears.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Here it is:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html
Sanders vs Trump
Average: +13.4
CNN: +16
IBD-TIPP: +12
USA Today: +15
GWU: +10
Fox: +14
And you left out the Rasmussen poll in which Clinton LOSES to Trump:
Clinton vs Trump
Rasmussen: Trump +2
And you left out Clinton's average:
Sanders vs Trump: Sanders average +13.4
Clinton vs Trump: Clinton average +6.5
Sanders has been beating Trump by much bigger margins than Clinton in all polls I've seen since January. He is the much surer bet against Trump than Clinton is.
In addition, she has very high negatives on trustworthiness and favorability, while Sanders has very high positives, and that, too, has been consistent over time.
You might want to go back to saying that national matchups are "meaningless" until your bought-and-paid-for "superdelegates" can eliminate the best Democratic candidate, Bernie Sanders, and go with their gold-plated, Goldman-Sachs-paid for Hillary Clinton, who is loathed by independents (40% of the electorate) and will drive the young, wholesale, from the Democratic Party.
Up to you, but I think, when polls have been screaming at us for months that Clinton is vulnerable to Trump, and that Sanders is a much better candidate for the GE, and looking at the false picture we get of Clinton's candidacy due to, a) the "closed" Dem primaries, and b) the stacked advantages Clinton has had within the Democratic Party, we ought to look at reality and not be fooled by our own inner "unicorns and ponies."
When the Clinton campaign uses "unicorns and ponies" to describe a $15 minimum wage and free public college tuition, they shouldn't wonder why so many people heartily support Sanders and oppose Clinton. Clinton seems to be clueless about what the lives of most Americans are like these days.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Strange assumption. I didn't realize I needed a url.
I was addressing the GE.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)You left out the Rasmussen poll, where Clinton LOSES to Trump. That's relevant to the GE. It's only one poll but it points to Clinton's vulnerability.
And you left out the information that her average margin against Trump is only +6.5, while Sanders' is +13.4. THAT is relevant to NOW and the choice that Californians, Oregonians, West Virginians and others are about to make, and it is relevant to the GE as well. Who is best positioned to beat Trump? Who doesn't just beat but demolishes Trump in national polls? Who draws independent voters (40% of the electorate), young voters and new Democrats?
You are jumping to the GE before the nomination process is over, and are simply ignoring the strongest Democratic candidate against Trump. This is very relevant to the GE if your view is typical of the Democratic Party establishment, as it seems to be. The large margin of difference between Sanders and Trump (Sanders average +13.4 over Trump) is going to all but vanish in the GE, if Clinton is the nominee. All that strength that Sanders has built up for the Democratic Party will largely go away, because Clinton is so unpopular and so distrusted; she will be left with her current base, which is mostly within the Democratic Party and nowhere else, and a whole lot of iffy voters and anti-Clinton voters.
There is also a psychological element to that margin (for Sanders), as well. It's not just that they don't like Clinton, but many of these independent voters, young voters and new voters are increasingly aware of the efforts to disenfranchise them, which were so dramatic in New York and Arizona. They have no reason to come out for Clinton, on policy or on attitude.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)he has to beat her in the primaries first.
There are a lot of republicans pissed at the outcome of their primary as well but that won't change the candidates in the general.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Let's play by the rules.