This election is going to suck: Why Hillary vs. Trump will be vicious, infuriating & bad for America

[cali]

This is really happening, people. Either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump is going to be the next president of the United States.

Just saying it still feels strange, but then again, pretty much everything about this most shocking and chaotic of election seasons has been deeply surreal. Clinton is a heavy favorite to beat Trump, but the journalistic graveyard is littered with the bones of columnists who are now being forced to literally eat their incorrect words about the 2016 campaign, so I’d be a fool to say I was completely sure about that. But I am sure of one thing: The general election we are now all going to endure together will be a horrible, horrible experience.

How horrible? Let us count the ways.

First, it will be unrelentingly nasty. Trump is a neo-fascist thug whose hatred of women courses through every vein in his body, and who has already promised to make his fight with Clinton very personal. Clinton’s penchant for bare-knuckle political brawling goes back to the very first years of her life in politics, and—in sharp contrast to her bout with the comparatively cuddly Bernie Sanders—a huge number of voters will be begging her to hit Trump with everything she’s got. And that’s before you get to the Super PACs and other outside groups from both parties who will blanket the country with attacks. We will drown in the flood of viciousness that awaits us.

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http://www.salon.com/2016/05/04/this_election_is_going_to_suck_why_hillary_vs_trump_will_be_vicious_infuriating_bad_for_america/

[sharp_stick]

1. It's gonna be nasty

I'm really glad I'm not in a swing State for this one.

[Blue_In_AK]

31. Ditto.

[pnwmom]

45. It would be nasty no matter who the Trump-monster opposed. n/t

[ViseGrip]

2. Maybe it's 'good for America' to learn all about the corruption, and those who 'pay to play'.

[Angry Dragon]

32. That is what I was thinking

[LiberalArkie]

40. But that has nothing to do with the way politicians think sadly.

It is "What is best for ME"

[clarice]

3. I just hope that I don't have to hear from the usual suspects........

L. Davis, J Carville, Terry McCaulife, Ann Lewis, The lady who sounds like Carol Channing, etc etc

[cali]

4. You'll be hearing a lot from that crew

[clarice]

5. I'm already getting "scandal fatigue" lol. nt

[cyberswede]

6. Gross. nt

[KamaAina]

16. The lady who sounds like Carol Channing?

[clarice]

19. I just remembered her name. Susan Estridge or Estrich. nt

[PJMcK]

42. That's funny

Wasn't she Michael Dukakis' campaign manager? She's got credibility.

[clarice]

50. Ummmmm. I'm not so sure. lol

[PJMcK]

56. Respectful response

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Estrich

[clarice]

62. I miss-spoke.....yes I knew that she was MD's campaign manager.....

but I lost respect for her during Monica-Gate.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Ok ok you might avoid Terry

He is a sitting governor. The rest, you betcha!!!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. Because sanders vs trump would be so issue focused

[cali]

11. Who cares? She will be the nominee. Reality, remember?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. Well your post seems to suggest it would have gone better

With sanders, whereas there will be mud flinging because of trump regardless of which saintly character we could have nominated

[cali]

14. Spectacular fail. Talk about lame projection.

[LiberalLovinLug]

43. I'll say it

It would have gone better with Bernie vs Trump

Not that I would want Bernie to let up. He should fire on all cylinders as well. There is so much material to use.

But going the other way? The only card Trump would have is the "evil socialist" card. And after months of campaigning, Bernie has the lowest negativity numbers of all of them, and he has not been shy about proclaiming himself a democratic socialist. And especially if he ever had the chance to speak to even more of the nation to explain exactly what democratic socialism would mean to the every day lives of Americans. It would be a rich capitalist welfare bum with a nasty mouth vs. a nice guy, and someone who's popularity rests with his call for the wealthy to pay more. If that is the only issue Trump can use on him, then Bernie will come out on top.

Ms. Clinton has waaaaaaaaaaay more material for the Don to use both real and other "scandals" that are already burnt into a lot of minds as being real. He could highlight a new one every week.

[AgerolanAmerican]

26. Sanders vs. Paul would have been

but not enough people in this country really want a non-gutter campaign that addresses real issues

[Scootaloo]

36. You really can't help yourself, can you?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

49. From challenging an unsupported argument? No, I often can't

[Scootaloo]

55. Or from inventing one just to remind us you're only in this to hate on Sanders

[La Lioness Priyanka]

57. i still like sanders quite a bit. nt

[Scootaloo]

58. After someone points out you only talk about him to talk shit about him, sure

[La Lioness Priyanka]

59. I wasn't talking shit about him.

No matter who we put up against trump this would get nasty. Just because I'm not blinded by hatred for Hillary doesn't mean I'm talking shit about Bernie.

In this particular instance I was def not criticizing Bernie, just the author of the article and the op for pretending that this nastiness had anything to do with Hillary.

So no you are wrong

[magical thyme]

8. Looking forward to Clinton's FOIA deposition in June

assuming that JW doesn't deliberately drag it out until after the convention.

Trump doesn't need to go all misogynist on Clinton. Between the FBI investigation and discovery in 2 FOIA lawsuits, he has plenty of fodder to "indict" her with.

[sharp_stick]

10. Keep telling yourself that

I look forward to the many many conspiracy threads that follow the FBI deciding against charges.

That being said there is no way the pukes and their many friends will ever stop making stuff up to hold these so important hearings rather than actually doing some work.

[magical thyme]

13. Judge Sullivan just explicitly opened the door & time frame is set

This FOIA suit is "scheduled to be wrapped up by end of June" which means all depositions will be sooner rather than later. They tried to combine depositions for the 2 FOIA act suits in discovery, and he said no. And there is email evidence of the attempt to avoid FOIA. The article includes a copy of Judge Sullivans order. Btw, currently there are 38 FOIA lawsuits involving Clinton, 2 of which are in discovery. Also note that Sullivan is an Clinton appointee & was the 1st to grant discovery. I'm sure you understand that the FOIA lawsuits are separate from the FBI investigation, although their evidence can be used in any FBI case.

Judge Emmet Sullivan of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia laid out the ground rules for interviewing multiple State Department officials about the emails, with an eye toward finishing the depositions in the weeks before the party nominating conventions.

“Based on information learned during discovery, the deposition of Mrs. Clinton may be necessary,” Sullivan said in an order on Wednesday.

In his order, Sullivan pointed to revelations from the emails appearing to show officials trying to evade demands of FOIA.

In one email, for instance, Mull told Abedin that Clinton’s emails “would be subject to FOIA requests” if she used a department-issued BlackBerry, even though her identity would remain secret.

Abedin responded that the idea “doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.”

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/278702-judge-leaves-open-door-for-clinton-deposition-in-email-probe

[sharp_stick]

15. Wake me up if and when he does ask her to talk

Until then this is nothing more than another in a long line of Judicial Watch wastes of time.

[magical thyme]

17. Judge Sullivan won't ask; Judicial Watch will ask

Sullivan's latest ruling makes it clear that if and when JW asks, he will order it.

[sharp_stick]

20. It makes clear that he "may" order it

that one word makes all the difference in the world. If he does order it you can bet everything that her legal team will start filing to block that deposition, probably citing the ongoing FBI investigation.

[magical thyme]

22. he didn't have to say anything. that he chose to, put it in his order, & referred to specific emails

that suggest intent speaks volumes.

[beastie boy]

35. he didn't have to say anything. But clearly, he wanted to set the rules ahead of time:

IF the plaintiffs ask him... and IF he overrules objections from Hillary's legal team... he may or may not order Hillary's deposition... in which she will have the opportunity to put issues which she is intimately familiar with in the perspective that favors her...

yep, she is soooo finished!

[CentralCoaster]

30. You could stick her and Bill in front of mics and they'd self-destruct.

Nothing but stupid comes out of their mouths, both of them.

They don't need Trump to look terrible.

[BootinUp]

9. I dunno, maybe after this mess something good will actually come of it.

For example, it might help bring about much needed reforms by making people more aware of how broke the system is.

[ffr]

27. I see it as an opportunity for democrats to run the table

Put our war machine into full gear, get the message out, get voters to commit to vote: run the tables.

People will forget the campaigns soon after. It only matters that we show every republi-tea-party member the door with overwhelming votes.

[BootinUp]

29. I posted a similar comment this morning.

Yes, we can. We need to make it happen.

[Scootaloo]

38. Gosh, if only someone had brought that up before the general!

Imagine all the people who might have listened!

Oh... wait...

[MFM008]

18. so you dont think he wouldn't go after Sanders

just as hard??
Especially as a socialist, communist wild eyed elderly hippy?

[cali]

33. Grab a whisp or a clue. You can do it.

Bernie won't be the nominee. And of course, I didn't say he wouldn't go after Bernie. But that is irrelevant, dear.

Reality. You hill folks are always bandying that word about. You should give it a try.

[LiberalArkie]

41. Can't hurt Bernie, Either you already support him and you don't care or you support

someone else and everyone else has already said it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Hey at least my bones are not in that graveyard

Nice turn of words by the way.

[Fumesucker]

24. On the other hand the race gets more entertaining by the minute

In so many ways this election speaks incredibly deeply to what America has become in 2016. It should serve as a wake up call to reexamine our perspectives.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. That is a great toon!

And true

[Blue_Tires]

28. Don't care -- I'm still going to vote...

[Initech]

34. What was that town in Ireland that was offering asylum to Americans again?

[curiouso]

39. There's work to be done . . .

It's time we all stopped whining about what is and focused our energy on what might be - let's find out what the down-ticket Democrats believe in and get the ones who share our belief system elected. Then let's set about getting ourselves organized so that we can cripple obstructionists by tying up their phone lines, their email, their offices, not just for hours but for days, weeks, months, years if necessary. If ours is to be a grassroots movement, we've got to work together to get things done despite what D.C.'s agenda might be.

[Amimnoch]

44. Here's a good start. Some are now out and past the primary,

But many good ones still there to look at!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=153273

[Dems to Win]

46. Hillary went to the wedding of the "neo-fascist thug whose hatred of women courses through every

vein in his body"

Do we vote for the next Mussolini, or the next Mussolini's friend and good bud?

We got one damn ugly choice in November.

[Cassiopeia]

47. Under the best case scenario

we all lose.

Except maybe the top .1% that is. They'll make out very well.

[bigwillq]

48. Just not excited at all about Trump v Hillary.

I think they're both awful.

But, democracy. Will of the voters, and all that.

I will get myself out to vote but this race doesn't excite me at all.

I think Trump is a fool, and Hillary (the Clintons) is everything that is wrong with politics.

[kevinmc]

51. Someone Tell Trump to concede now so ths won't happen n/t

[Jarqui]

52. Both candidates are so bad, it's an election that cannot be won nt

[redstateblues]

53. Equating Trump and Hillary makes you sound ignorant. There is a lot at stake

and if you think there's no difference between your adoration of Bernie has blinded you to the consequences of a Republican in the White House. Your attitude is reminiscent of Nader's "not a dime's worth of difference".

[Jarqui]

54. I didn't equate them. You're getting all wound up with your own delusions.

Sure, a so-called Democrat who is really Republican-lite and would go completely right wing if it got her more votes is "better" than the ignorant, racist Trump. Having said that, Trump is not as far right as many in the GOP - though he is a little crazy.

But neither of them are good enough for the job as President of the United States in my opinion. And it's not close.

Both lie their heads off. Both are likely to get us into a war. Both represent the 1%. Clinton does not represent real change. Trump probably represents change we won't like.

America loses either way - just a little less with Clinton than Trump.

America deserves better.

[Blue_Tires]

60. Expect a lot more hot takes from the Emoprog commentariat

About how this is the worst election ever, America is fucked either way, so there's no point in even showing up to vote...

I've seen this page from the playbook before.

[Katashi_itto]

61. A Fascist vs an Authoritarian Oligarch. Great choices.