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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDavid Duke Hails Donald Trump For Thwarting The 'Jewish Supremacists Who Control Our Country'
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/david-duke-hails-donald-trump-thwarting-jewish-supremacists-who-control-our-countryTrump, who earlier this year briefly refused to reject Dukes endorsement, has been a favorite of white nationalist leaders like Duke, who predicted that the GOP presidential candidate will rehabilitate the image of Adolf Hitler.
The former KKK leader said that Republican elites have been working to undermine Trump just as they worked against him when he ran for governor of Louisiana as a Republican in 1991. He particularly took issue with Trumps former Republican rival Ted Cruz taking money from a Jewish leftist commie, arguing that Jewish financiers are bent on destroying the Republican Party by targeting people like Trump and himself....
The Trump campaign at a whole series of levels is a great opportunity for us to expose the people who really run the Republican Party, who run the Democratic Party, who run the political establishment and who are leading us all to disaster, Duke said. Even though Trump is not explicitly talking about European-Americans, he is implicitly talking about the interests of European-Americans.
VP shortlist?
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)Can hardly wait to march with the Grand Imperial Wizard down Pennsylvania Avenue!
Are you serious?
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)some banned for it in fact. It's pretty obvious that those who type that they hate Jews would not vote for a Jewish nominee. It's also obvious that Camp Clinton on DU was super ultra comfortable with those bigots, who attacked a minority candidate for being a minority on DU for months and months with few daring to confront them.
Not crazy about Clinton Culture because of that. That and the 'We love Ronald Reagan, AIDS activist' bullshit. Not crazy about that either.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)out (and I think you have) then we can dismiss all this bickering.
Neither of us wants Hillary, but the alternative is not just not acceptable, but could represent the end of life period.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)creepy ass one sided 'some DUers' editorial verbiage is one sided creepy ass verbiage. Do not play that game with me Jackie. Do not try to speak for me nor suggest I have said what I have not.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)do too on some stuff, you know you have to make a decision.
winstars
(4,219 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)and done so by a lot in the primaries.
A lot of times I saw Hillary supporters accused of anti-Semitism, it was for pointing out Bernie's odd stances on the ME. So please, save us the sanctimony. Bernie supporters have a lot more anti-Semitism, nearly always veiled in "anti-Zionism," with Bernie "being different."
cali
(114,904 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Yeah, assholes on both sides. Is that what Jackie said? No. And that's my fucking point. What you are on about is not associated with what I have said. You and Jackie are rude people, that's another part of Clinton Culture I don't like, along with the adoration of Reagan as an AIDS activist when he was the opposite. Don't like that either.
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)Hillary Clinton is not an easy candidate to support. But, even with the baggage train following her around, I will have no problem voting for her in November, should it come to that. The choice is stark and simple, and the alternative unthinkable.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)If you want to talk about "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" or the new "Star Wars" movie, fine, or sports, or a few other things we can, and I will be nice as pie.
But as long as we are on this topic, I have no patience for anyone who wont vote against the GOP.
But when I say that all of a sudden, according to you, I am anti gay people and pro Reagan.
You are the one being rude.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)Bernie is a liberal Zionist - as is HRC, Obama, Kerry and almost any other Democrat you want to name. They all have essentially the same position - that the solution is a two state solution. In fact, HRC fought against expanded settlements as Secretary of State because it is pretty clear that they make a two state solution even less viable.
It is on other issues in the Middle East where HRC and Sanders differ. A quick summary of their differences is that Sanders opposes fostering regime change while HRC has clearly seen some sort of intervention - CIA (Syria) or the military(Libya) - as tools of US foreign policy. In fact, the recent NYT article on Iran shows that she was MORE cautious about opening diplomatic talks than she was in using non diplomatic tools in Syria and Libya.
To argue that it " antisemitism" for DU to argue against regime change is ridiculous. That has been the OVERWHELMING DU position since at least 2002.
I also think when speaking of DU members, not Bernie Sanders, there is a difference between anti-Zionist and antisemitic. There are very few comments that have been made here that are antisemitic that are not immediately challenged - by both most of HRC and Sanders supporters.
Anti-zionist is more complicated. As I noted, almost ALL American politicians are Zionists. Most Democratic politicians are liberal Zionists. Yet, I have seen posts from some - on the extreme on this issue - who have called not just Sanders, but people like Obama and Kerry, out in spite of their obvious support of Israel. Those who attack equate attacking the RW Likkud Netanyahu with being anti-Zionist and then with being antisemitic. I disagree with EACH of these equivalences.
Israel, is in fact, the one place where Bernie is more mainstream than many progressives. Many, including many committed serious young Jews, coming from their own moral values partly derived from their religion, question why in all other countries the US speaks of wanting inclusive, secular, Democratic governments - yet in Israel calls for 2 states. This group, well represented on DU, are not Zionists, if Zionist means the status quo and they look, clear eyed at maps, and question whether two states can be created. For them, as we approach the 50 year mark of the occupation, it becomes harder to defend the status quo.
In fact, for more than a decade, liberal Democratic politicians have spoken of there being a narrow window to achieve the goal of a two state solution. During that time, facts on the ground have made it progressively less likely. I think the current shaky Israeli coalition could not even pretend to work on such a proposal - it would shatter.
Behind the Aegis
(53,938 posts)Thus, in threads like this it is either ignored, scoffed at, or dismissed. Peek into just about any thread on anti-Semitism and you seem the same thing, at least this one didn't involve people trying to claim Duke isn't an anti-Semite or try to redefine the definition of the word, so I guess that is a step in the right direction.
BTW, I personally thank you for speaking out against anti-Semitism, few do. Also, thank you for continuing to remind people that GLBT lives are just as valuable as anyone else's and out history is just as fucking important, even if they don't want to "hear" it.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)for someone to link me to these anti semetic posts you are referring to. I never saw them and that is definitely something that would stick with me. Can you do that?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Using tomatobubble (a pro-Hitler, anti-Jewish shite) as a source for smearing Bernie.
Doing the same with Stormfront.
And an often-antisemitic site Progressivestoday to accuse him of fiscal perfidy
Accusations that Jews are all anti-black racists.
Let's not forget stuff found on Hillaryclintonsupporters before Bill wiptes the entire site...
Also, sallying forth to rally up for Louis Farrakhan...
And then of course there was this gem, found on frontpagemag from one of the local Hillary Supporters who has been basically treated like a hero and solid spokesperson for everyone...
Then we get into more subtle stuff (by "subtle" I mean "extremely blatant but couched in campaign bullshit" such as accusing him of having the blood of Sandy Hook children on his hands. Such as the constant accusations that all he cares about is money. The nonsense of his supposed dislike for black people, and the eternally-changing double standards that ONLY Bernie Sanders has been held to.
And I'm certain there's a lot I've missed, 'cause I tend to only notice what I bump into myself.
cali
(114,904 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)A politician who doesn't win an election doesn't win because they were unable to convince a majority of voters to vote for them. It falls squarely on the shoulders of that politician. They are not entitled to votes, votes have to be earned. Votes are earned by appealing to voters, convincing them that voting for you is in their best interests.
Further a campaign dependent on "I'm not the other guy" is one doomed to lose. Such a campaign puts all the focus on that other guy, lets them frame the positions, and cedes any initiative or focus to that opponent. Further it makes the candidate on that platform look as if they have nothing to offer except a protest vote.
Every ballot is going to have multiple "not Trump" candidates. Those that allow write-ins have seven point five billion not-Trump candidates. It's Hillary's job to convince voters that she's the best one of that bunch, through her own merit.
I wonder if she can do it?
Behind the Aegis
(53,938 posts)Brava.
Good to see you back.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)that's why this is so hard to understand:
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)I support Clinton, and I fundamentally disagree with your statement.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But a fan still
Archae
(46,314 posts)An opportunist, a grifter who'd be endorsing Cruz if Cruz had won.
Trump has enough shit in his "portfolio," on his own.
He doesn't need to be slammed for any connections to Duke.
Ohio Joe
(21,748 posts)Why should he not be slammed for associations like this?
David__77
(23,367 posts)I certainly understand how one could think otherwise.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,938 posts)It's not like we don't hear this tripe, even here, on multiple occasions. People can pass this off as "irrelevant", but it is no more irrelevant than other racist crap coming from supporters of his campaign. Just because the target is Jews doesn't mean it isn't bigoted or problematic. Given that one candidate is actually a Jew has shaken many to their very hate-filled cores, some are still even in the dark about it.
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)that were in the R column! I wonder how many other groups will on the Trump hit list.