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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:54 AM May 2016

The British Left’s ‘Jewish Problem’

— It has, admitted Sadiq Khan, the Labour Party’s candidate in the election this week for London mayor, become “more difficult for Londoners of Jewish faith to feel that the Labour Party is a place for them.”

In recent days, the Labour Party has been embroiled in a furious dispute over the attitudes of some members toward Jews. Two leading figures, Naseem Shah, a member of Parliament for a Bradford constituency, and Ken Livingstone, a former London mayor and a member of Labour’s National Executive Committee, were suspended from the party for what were condemned as anti-Semitic remarks. Ms. Shah had suggested in a social media post that Israel be “relocated” to the United States, while Mr. Livingstone had tried to defend her by claiming that Adolf Hitler had been a Zionist.

It is not the first such uproar: In February, the party was forced to open an investigation into the Oxford University Labour Club, and in March to suspend some councilors and activists accused of anti-Semitism. All this has led a number of prominent Jews — including the novelist Howard Jacobson, the former senior BBC executive Danny Cohen and The Financial Times’s managing editor, Robert Shrimsley — to withdraw support from Labour.

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Identity politics has made it easier to hold all Jews responsible for the actions of the State of Israel and to go after Jews simply for being Jews. As the distinction between criticizing ideas and fingering a group has eroded, there has been a slippage from anti-Zionist activism into outright anti-Semitism. Many who support the Palestinians now seem genuinely unable to distinguish between criticizing the policies of the Israeli government and sowing hatred against a people.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/04/opinion/the-british-lefts-jewish-problem.html?_r=0

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T_i_B

(14,735 posts)
1. It also feeds into the British Left's relevence problem
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:21 AM
May 2016

The Israel / Palestine conflict is not high on my list of priorities for local and national government.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. T i B, not sure about that. They are certainly alienating
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:52 AM
May 2016

people, but seems to me they're about as irrelevant as all those people who cheer Trump for promising to stop Muslims from entering our country are.

Antisemitism is on the rise again around the world. Much of our own far left feels Bernie Sanders is not nearly far left enough for them, but I am wondering if his ascendance on the national scene has helped hold off stronger manifestations of it in our left so far.

In our social/religious right, of course, antisemitism has always been very strong, steaming restlessly under the surface for the past couple decades while Christian zionism promoted unity with Israel and the Jews. Armageddon didn't come, though, and for some pretending to love Jews is getting pretty old.

Of course the rise of antisemitism is just another manifestation of the rise of bigotry in general, against any group defined as "other." On a planet with over 7 billion people. With many more forced migrations of large populations, wars, economic troubles, etc., due to global warming, this is only the beginning of some really challenging times for basic human decency. Not exactly an argument for irrelevance, or complacency.

Wife of a Jew

T_i_B

(14,735 posts)
9. Totally agree about bigotry in general rising
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:58 AM
May 2016

Politics in 2016 seems to be far more about spitefulness towards anyone different than serving the common good.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Well, certainly it is for the noisiest voices.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:08 AM
May 2016

If only goodness and decency burned with the same passion.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
11. difference between rw and lw anti-Semitism
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:13 AM
May 2016

It has been said conservative anti-Semites hate individual Jews but love the manifestation of the Jewish People, while progressive (?) anti-Semites like individual Jews but hate the manifestation of the Jewish People.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
2. Yeah, not brilliant choices for the mayoral election today.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:29 AM
May 2016

Zac Goldsmith is a racist and Khan's party is currently imploding.

Still think Khan will pull it out though.

T_i_B

(14,735 posts)
4. Khan comes across well
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:36 AM
May 2016

But yes, Labour are a total basket case at present.

To say Zac Goldsmiths campaign has been a disappointment would be the understatement of the century.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
7. Oh, we've got loads of racists over here.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:44 AM
May 2016

Not as many as the US, but plenty for the country's small size.

Behind the Aegis

(53,919 posts)
13. There are those who have known about this for a long time.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:59 AM
May 2016

Good to see it coming to light. Also as interesting is watching people defending it and making excuses for it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
15. Of course not. And I'm not anti-Israel.
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:36 AM
May 2016

I am opposed to the occupation. I am opposed to all West Bank Settlements. I am opposed to Netanyahu and right wingers. I do NOT oppose Israel.

No, that is not insane. Your comment is shit.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
16. "Who in their right mind isn't anti-Israel?" ....uh, I'm not.
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:54 AM
May 2016

I'm certainly opposed to the policies of Likud and I think the decades of Occupation have been a disaster for both the Palestinians and the soul of the State of Israel- that said, it (like the '67 war which preceded it, etc) didn't pop out of the vacuum like a pair of virtual quantum particles. The current situation is the result of a boatload of bad decisions- and they sure as shit weren't all Israel's.

Beyond that, you're kidding yourself if you haven't recognized the massive amounts of anti-Semitism munged up with "anti-Israel" sentiment on the left.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
17. The denial that anti-semitism exists on the left and that it's just anti-occupation or
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:06 AM
May 2016

anti-Israel, is alarming.

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