For all of you that think Hillary has this.

[cali]

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She does not. Yes, she could blow it. She's not a terribly adept campaigner. The collective wisdom of the American electorate is abysmal. Far, far more republicans have turned out in the primaries than democrats. Everything that is old is new again, and by that I mean trump will dig up all the old scandals for a new generation unfamiliar with them- things like Marc Rich, for example. If she moves too far to the right in order to get republican votes, she risks losing a chunk of the base and liberal independents. She can't get too far into the muck with him- it's the wrestling with pigs problem. Sexism. Yes, the endless email shit.

I'd like to believe that there is no way this country could ever elect the talking yam.

It could.

[apnu]

1. ^^^ Look above for your daily dose of FUD.

Stay scared people, stay very very very scared.

[grasswire]

2. and that's not even considering the very real current problem.

The world is laughing at America for proffering Trump v. Clinton.

[certainot]

41. they're laughing at america for being so fucking stupid

to allow trump to become 'acceptable'

they're no laughing about hillary, or bernie

there is only one reason our 'democracy' has fallen so far that it couldn't adjust and fix itself

it is the biggest political mistake in history considering the time lost on global warming, and yet people still wonder how trump could be 'acceptable' as a major party candidate -

meanwhile the idiot left and their idiot orgs continue to complain about money in politics and wasting our donations, while the simple math shows this:

at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations, rw talk radio is worth 4.68 BIL$/ year or 390MIL$ /month FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican wall st think tank propaganda, deregulation, hate, and swiftboating

unlike fox, that is coordinated nationally and locally

for twenty five years the left ignored it while it pushed the dems right and now they equate trump and clinton, and wonder why we're here, and flail at the symptoms of allowing those 1200 radio stations to manage our media for wall street.

and meanwhile the idiot left continues to complain about money in politics, while allowing these 90 universities to endorse trump and make excuses for him on 268 limbaugh stations

[shenmue]

3. She's in the lead. Yes, she is an adept campaigner.

[cali]

7. Complacency is dumb.

[trotsky]

28. If she's such an adept campaigner, why didn't she get the nomination in 2008? n/t

[hopeforchange2008]

32. Here, here! And why is Bernie so close on her heels this time around? n/t

[Plucketeer]

37. WITH, you might add

the MSM and the DNC so STUANCHLY disadvantaging him at every turn!

Edit to add.... Can you IMAGINE where Bernie would be now if he'd NOT had the establishment holding him back???

[certainot]

42. maybe because the other guy was more adept?

did you get an overdose of absolutism this morning?

[trotsky]

47. Drumpf by that understanding is also a damn fine campaigner.

He left all his competition in the dust.

[certainot]

49. he had this on his side

at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations, rw talk radio is worth 4.68 BIL$/ year or 390MIL$ /month FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican wall st think tank propaganda, deregulation, hate, and swiftboating

and the establishment gop candidates had it against them, hilariously- it used to be for whoever rove told limbaugh and sons to support

that's the only reason he is the winner

and now it will be turned mostly on dems

[BootinUp]

4. She has earned her shot at it, and appears to be taking Trump

very seriously. What more can we ask for?

[IamMab]

5. Is GDP full or something? Isn't that where trash like this goes? nt

[awoke_in_2003]

10. +1000. nt

[Change has come]

12. Trash goes onto the ignore list.

[joshcryer]

14. Hosts are either asleep or we're seeing a GE pivot.

First time in many months they haven't immediately banished posts like this to GDP.

(Note: this is a GE post because it doesn't mention Sanders, nor does it complain about him losing.)

[teamster633]

27. It's getting less safe to come here every day.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

34. Yes, that's where that trash goes. nt

[Buzz Clik]

6. She has it.

done and done.

[Progressive dog]

8. She is such a poor campaigner, she wouldn't be winning

if the other primary candidates hadn't been poorer.

[Melissa G]

17. Hillary is not winning, merely in the lead at the moment

through many party on the scale 'shenanigans'. She also has no clear path to an uncontested convention.

[Progressive dog]

20. Bernie only needs to beat her by about 65 to 35

in the remaining contests to beat her in pledged delegates. He won by 5% in Indiana where she stopped campaigning to focus on the general election. Bernie is "bernt" toast.

[progressoid]

9. And it will be Bernie's fault!

Normally I would add a sarcasm thingy, however he's already being blamed for her failings.

[Kingofalldems]

11. Take this nonsense to GDP.

We get it. You hate Hillary.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

35. I'm still supporting Bernie but I agree, this belongs in GDP. nt

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

39. Oh, go easy on her

She said she had "never seen or heard Donald Trump before" back in January I think.

She's had a lot more practice hating Hillary, because, you know, Democrats seem to hate themselves more than anything else.

[joshcryer]

13. It's a demographic nightmare for Trump.

And most people would see through the decades old scandals.

[pampango]

15. Complacency is never a good thing. I feel good about our chances but we should never think it

will be easy. It will not.

[peggysue2]

26. Complacency is a no-go

You're absolutely correct that Dems have to prepare for this as if they were running against Bush or Kasich or any other of the more formidable, credentialed Republicans. In fact, harder because The Donald cannot be permitted to take his unhinged world view and mindset anywhere near the WH. He's wildly unpredictable. And not in a good or sane way.

That being said I think Democratic strategists are already planning their moves to kneecap The Talking Yam Who Would Be King. His mouth and behavior over the last year has proven at the very least that the man is a serial liar and narcissist.

This election will be one for the record books, as in ugly, ugly.

[Nye Bevan]

16. What the hell does Marc Rich have to do with Hillary?

People are now responsible for everything their spouse ever did? If Michelle Obama ever runs for president will people be attacking her over Obamacare?

[winstars]

18. If Michelle runs against Bernie they will claim she was married to a Muslim...

[trotsky]

31. What the hell does Whitewater or Vince Foster have to do with her either?

You and I both know the answer is "Nothing" to all of those things. But you and I also know how the right wing noise machine works.

If Hillary is the nominee, I will support her 100%. But I have seen too many elections where I thought we had it in the bag, and it did not turn out that way.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

40. You gotta drop the buzzwords now and then

Marc Rich

Kathleen Willey

Whitewater

Vince Foster


For people who would "never in my life listen to Rush Limbaugh" they sure have a transcript somewhere.....

[Nye Bevan]

45. Vince Foster would be more understandable than Marc Rich.

Because while quite a few nuts believe that Hillary murdered Vince Foster, I've never heard anyone claim that Hillary was behind Marc Rich's pardon.

[Blue_Tires]

19. I've never said that...

It's going to be the fight of her lifetime, and as things stand now she's going to wage it with one hand tied behind her back...

[Lordquinton]

21. Cali!

Good to see your posts again.

[Gman]

22. I'm not worried about it

She is the most thoroughly vetted candidate for president ever. There is nothing new with her under the sun. And she has weathered all of it. Unfortunately, Sanders is nowhere near as vetted. He's largely unknown and a risk to be in the general election in November. I would really like to be able to say otherwise about Sanders, but it's just not meant to be.

[Kingofalldems]

23. Marc Rich eh?

Did you forget Vince Foster?

That was some scandal the GOP made up out of nothing.

[SoapBox]

24. She does NOT have this...

My neighbors in SoCal, hate her with passion...and they're all divorced, widowed or just can't stand her.

IF she is the nominee, the No Hill crowd will come out of the woodwork.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. Yes, it could happen. This nation picked bush over Kerry

But let's not root for it just to say that we were right to back someone else

[panader0]

29. You had me at "talking yam" lol

[abelenkpe]

30. Seriously

Who thought we'd elect an actor governor of CA? Reagan? Arnold? So many people vote on name recognition and don't really think past party branding. In several state primaries so many more republicans showed up to vote than democrats. (Ohio, Florida, Virginia...think those are all swing states.) It is kinda scary. But I'm sure we'll hear non stop from now until November how very important it is to vote against Trump or else. And pretty much nothing else.

[malthaussen]

33. Think of how boring DU will be once the primaries are done...

... I, for one, am not looking forward to an endless parade of posts telling me how horrible Donald Trump is and tracking his every passage of wind. I already know, and I thought this was the Democratic Underground.

-- Mal

[fred v]

36. Do you mean the Nomination or the General Election?

She has pretty much wrapped up the former, but the latter is, indeed, not a certainty.

[pansypoo53219]

38. NOW?? i have been screaming this for months & NOW my hair is on fire.

[zentrum]

43. I think the only thing

…that will save us is the scandals right under the surface for him. The freaked out republican establishment is working feverishly to bring these out—whether about his failed businesses, sex or corruption.

I think Yam will implode, which is different that saying HRC will win. She'll prevail by default.

[fifthquartile]

44. True

America elected Reagan and George W twice. Never underestimate the stupidity of the electorate. Combine that with the Republicans effectively repealing voting rights legislation and its very possible. Trump voters are fired up. And in a way Democrats like the Clintons have caused it. Trump can point to the Clintons support of NAFTA which has devastated the middle class and will be able to convince "Reagan Democrats" that he is the better option to bring back jobs to America. Trump looks like change and Clinton looks like same old same old. And change is a great motivator. To me that is Trumps greatest asset. He looks like the outsider and he looks like the anti free/slave trade candidate. Americans have seen their incomes slashed and their jobs sent overseas. I wish the Democrats could blame Republicans for this but thanks to Wall Street Dems like the Clintons they cannot. I was around when NAFTA was shoved down America's throat and Clinton and Gore led the charge. With allies like Jimmy Carter and the media all saying Perot was a nut for saying it would be a disaster ( which it has been ). It was a boom to the top 1% and screwed the bottom 90%. Big surprise. Do not get me wrong, I am voting for Hillary. But if there is one thing that Trump has in his favor it's sticking NAFTA in the Clintons faces. Whether Trump is really anti NAFTA and anti free/slave trade is questionable. The man is a first class liar and fraud. But to American middle class workers the more someone rants against these backstabbing deals that have destroyed their way of life the more likely they will vote for them. Bernie could have argued he was the best anti free/slave trader. The Clintons will not be able to.

[Bucky]

48. yep

[Donald Ian Rankin]

50. Current odds are about 3 to 1 in favour.

I'd prefer better, but I'll take a 75% chance of victory over a 25% one any day.

[pnwmom]

51. We don't think she has this ALL BY HERSELF. We think she has it if everyone pitches in.

And we'd be crazy not to.

[MFM008]

52. "Talking Yam"

usually I say bloated orange toad but talking yam is good to.

[notadmblnd]

53. Playing both ends against the middle- rarely ends on a positive note.

[NCTraveler]

54. Far too much time to call anything.

As an organization I would much rather be where we are at this point in time.