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DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
Sat May 7, 2016, 12:21 PM May 2016

University Expels 2, Suspends 1 Accused of Lying About 'Racial Attack'

Two New York college students were expelled and a third was suspended for two years after they allegedly lied about a supposed racially motivated incident aboard an Albany bus, the university's president said Thursday.
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The women, who are African American, claimed they were harassed and assaulted by 10 to 12 white men and women on a city bus just after 1 a.m. on Jan. 30 and that racial slurs were used by the perpetrators.

The account triggered protests on the university campus. But university police said in February that the students were the aggressors and assaulted a 19-year-old and then falsely reported the incident to police. They were indicted on Monday.

University police said in February investigators found no evidence to support the claims they were targeted because of their race, or that slurs were used against them.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/university-expels-2-suspends-1-accused-lying-about-racial-attack-n569031
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University Expels 2, Suspends 1 Accused of Lying About 'Racial Attack' (Original Post) DesMoinesDem May 2016 OP
I just read the article SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #1
Very sad. cwydro May 2016 #2
Thanks. NewImproved Deal May 2016 #3
Good. Liars like this, like those who lie about being rape victims, Nye Bevan May 2016 #4
And it makes it harder for anybody accused of anything to be believed. Igel May 2016 #5

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
1. I just read the article
Sat May 7, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016

And I'm surprised that anyone is surprised they were charged.

False accusations, such as they ones the three women made, make it that much harder for those who really are being attacked due to their race.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
2. Very sad.
Sat May 7, 2016, 12:29 PM
May 2016

I don't know if people do this to be "famous" or just because they're idiots.

Maybe the same thing.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
4. Good. Liars like this, like those who lie about being rape victims,
Sat May 7, 2016, 12:41 PM
May 2016

make it harder for real victims to be believed.

Igel

(35,270 posts)
5. And it makes it harder for anybody accused of anything to be believed.
Sat May 7, 2016, 01:31 PM
May 2016

These didn't just make up the accusations for the fun of it. There are those who make false accusations for a political or ideological reason: "I'll scrawl a racist message because it's truthy and I know they want to."

No, in this case making up "we're victims" was their defense, their way of escaping an accusation. "We're victims, so we are innocent of this other thing."

And it's a common pattern.

"Why are you doing this?" "Look at him!" (He's doing something, some I'm entitled to do it, too, leave me alone).

"Why are you doing this?" "I'm not! He started it, and so he's responsible for my actions." (Ducking responsibility, leave me alone.)

"Why are you doing this?" "Why are you bothering me? You're wrong, not me!" (The best defensive is a good offensiveness, leave me alone.)

Kids are trained to do these at an early age. And it's often easier, given fault lines in US society, to leave them alone. In so doing, though, we reward them and encourage them to continue to use these tactics.

However, if you don't agree to that particular social contract, it means that those who really are innocent, when they use one of these tactics, are automatically assumed to be acting on a sense of entitlement, responsibility ducking, or being offensive just to make the enforcer leave them alone.

If you do punish somebody who uses these tactics, typically the tactic has no downside: They get punished the same for dodging and whining as for simple denial as for confession, but the whining is the more winning of the strategies. So we see more and more of it and will continue to see more and more of it until we stop rewarding it.

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