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Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)RKP5637
(67,086 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)lark
(23,061 posts)I've been thinking about how much he reminds me of Hitler and his supporters the brown shirts. LOL, at first I typed shits instead of shirts, think I had it more right the first time.
unblock
(52,116 posts)the appropriate response from the media would have been to laugh trump off the stage long ago.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)RKP5637
(67,086 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)He doesn't have to buy promotion time, especially on CNN, because they're covering Trump all the time.
I haven't watched M$NBC in months, so I cannot comment on them.
cali
(114,904 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Wow...just...wow!
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)And their opinion of Bill was so low that they impeached him.
Rex
(65,616 posts)A lot of GOPers are brainwashed into believing outragous shit, like Obama is a Marxist Muslim coming (wait for it, any minute now) fer their guuuuuuuuuunnnzzz!!!!
That is grand delusion on a scale that would have impressed Lenin.
RKP5637
(67,086 posts)so proud of their ignorance.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Very sad.
RKP5637
(67,086 posts)education and also being politically alert. In my HS graduating class about 80% of us went on to some type of additional education, be it college, technical, secretarial, etc., etc. None, were proud of their ignorance. Today, for many, it seems a badge of honor. The US IMO is in a significant decline reaching far further than even just the elections.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Also it was awesome if you became rich off the backs of millions. Greed became good and we started our decline into the abyssal market that relies on disaster capitalism to work.
Really, we let a tiny but extremely powerful and well connected group of people send not just America, but the world into some hellish free market system where only the strongest survive - IOW monetary anarchy.
RKP5637
(67,086 posts)allows a minority group in the big picture to destroy the lives and financial well being of millions. I've often said earth needs an intergalactic visit of some type to prevent the population becoming extinct by their own doing.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Their view of right and wrong, good and bad is completely partisan, thanks to hate radio.
Mr.Bill
(24,236 posts)that all though I technically knew the following, I hadn't gave it much thought until she pointed out it's signifigance to me:
Black men were allowed to vote before any women in the US. And a black man was president before any woman in the US.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Her unlikeability is not due to some vast right wing conspiracy.
She's a corporate hawk and no progressive in their right mind wants her to be POTUS.
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Democat
(11,617 posts)If not more than half.
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)Love Bernie, don't like Hillary, and absolutely loathe Trump.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Just some made up nonsense on your part.
afertal
(148 posts)...nasty things about Hillary. Wow! That's really difficult to envision, but if I try it's very nightmare.ish.
I suggest you try to relax.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)The fact is Hillary is a moderate Republican as defined by her policy stances. All of DU should be supporting Sanders over her if they were traditional Dems and not triangulating Third Way Dems.
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Democat
(11,617 posts)How many times have we seen DU users posting right wing memes like "Shillary"? That's not criticism, it's name calling and bashing.
I am happy to support either Sanders or Clinton in the general, but I don't come to DU to see either Democrat bashed by trolls.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And sadly the term Bernie Bro is used against not the candidate himself, but against fellow DUers. Not sure how one is supposed to have a discussion with someone who uses or condones that term.
And saying they support trump just because they don't like Hillary doesn't help at all, and would be considered "bashing" Bernie supporters.
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ecstatic
(32,648 posts)world wide wally
(21,738 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)malaise
(268,692 posts)Rec
Akicita
(1,196 posts)other is white is stereotyping. Many if not most of Trump's supporters would be fine with Ben Carson too. And many if not most of Trump's supporters would be just as much against Hillary or Bernie as they are against Obama.
I think it has more to do with ideology than race. At least I hope so.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Yes... in a way.... it's really both.
Because the "feel" and the actual incidents toward Obama are racially charged and get more energy from that I think. Liberalism is a "danger" to be watched and kept in check. But BLACK liberalism is a huge danger.... a greater danger.... one that seriously might require "2nd amendment solutions".
No the racial element changes the hatred. It vamps it up and gives it a visible danger (dark skin) as opposed to just a difference in ideas. And so called "pragmatic Dem" candidates can use race against Obama too.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)in this country whether in the open like now or the so called, when there were plenty of good paying jobs, 'good times' as they were, it has ALWAYS been about race.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)You would have to be blind not to see that progress is being made.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)progress is relative to those viewing, participating and dying for and because of "progress". Too many still dying ONLY because of the color of ones skin. I keep hoping also. Been hoping for a free, equal society for generations. Votes still taken away from POC, and for a majority many are still marginalized in housing, jobs, education and opportunity based on skin color. The last 7+ years of living in this system of governance has taken the blinders off, completely. I had hope, I have none nor illusion of hope anymore.
But don't get me wrong I am hoping your hope is well founded.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)I remember back in the early 1970's when a lot of people, maybe most, thought that a black QB could not succeed in the NFL because they just didn't have the intellectual capacity. And now we have a black President. Even the rethugs have had two black Secretaries of State. That's huge progress.
Look at the huge increase in inter-racial dating and marriages and the lack of stigma attached to it compared to any other time in our history. That's huge progress.
To address your points specifically:
Are too many people dying only because of the color of their skin? I assume you mean at the hands of someone of a different skin color. Yes, but less so than there used to be. And unjust killings of POC by police get much more attention these days thanks to activists. Even Chicago is finding out that murders by police can no longer just be swept under the rug without repercussions. The judicial system is more fair to POC. Although far from perfect and still rife with problems, it is much better than it used to be. Progress has been made. Our last two Attorney Generals are black.
Blacks still have some problems voting, but it is much easier for blacks to vote than it used to be. Much progress on voting rights has been made.
Are people still marginalized in housing, jobs, education and opportunity based on skin color. Yes, but most of that is now illegal and we now have government agencies tasked with preventing discrimination in those areas. In fact, we now have discrimination in favor of POC through affirmative action programs. All of that is real progress and it is helping.
We are still a long, long way from the ultimate goal of a color blind society and we are not changing fast enough. But we are changing for the better. There are still many racists in this country. But there are a lot fewer than there used to be. Most people now realize that people are just people. Those who are so ideologically driven on race issues that they believe that things have either not changed or gotten worse are blinding themselves. I don't think that is good because it can breed further hopelessness, resentment and hate. Instead, I think it would be better to recognize that much progress has been made but that much more work needs to be done to reach the goal of a colorblind society. We are still a long way from accomplishing that goal but lets all work together to get the job done.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Thu May 12, 2016, 09:29 AM - Edit history (1)
I feel idealistically driven. I agree with every point presented by you and I applaud your ability to see the silver lining of an ever darkening cloud. This quest for equality, in all areas of inequality, sex, race, gender identity has gotten more involved instead of lessening in its intensity and problematic hate. Trumps popularity attests to this fact of widespread hate of others not white and male/female.
Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Angela Davis, George Jackson et al. all fought and many are still fighting for the same equality demanded by all people in which inequality is still a daily occurence. The murder of POC by those sworn to serve and protect being foremost in my mind. As an arbitrary starting point I will use Michael Brown. Yes his murder was widely covered in our mass media. Yet his murderer is free today and richer by thousands of dollars given to him by an adoring public. Sandra Bland died under very mysterious circumstances in a jail cell where all preventive measures against suicide are supposed to be taken. No one was prosecuted for this death of a POC with a career in front of her and all of her life. All murder victims who were killed by racists in between say Michael Brown, both known and unknown, and Sandra Bland number in the hundreds. Those are numbers I grew up with in my coming of age period in the 50's and 60's. I will say no more on that, the facts speaks volumes.
Voting rights? Sure many POC have the right and duty to exercise that right. Yet, this country, especially with the electronic voting apparatus used in many places
today is subject to corruption on a massive scale especially in urban areas. The not so urban areas are taking voting rights away from THOUSANDS, many are poor, uneducated and POC. This through local 'laws' and regulations that have replaced the 'tests' that needed to be passed before voting in my younger days. No, I feel we are going back to the good old days and this upcoming election, I think, will prove my point.
You are correct on interacial dating and marriage, as long as it takes place in an urban setting away from places that still maintain a racially undiverse and segregated population of which there are still many, many nationwide.
Everytime I see a biracial child my joy is present in the sense that their presence belies the hate and supremacists ideology. These biracial human beings are a hope and a testament to progress. Yet a hope still in transition from hopelessness of my childhood. I was born of biracial parents in 1948, growing up in this country was hell, even in the military of which type of family I grew up in.
Sports? That's all money. The sea change there has been profit driven and nothing else. When the owners finally let go of their stupidity and admitted a POC could be just as effective a leader as anyone else. They started making real money. They can never kill that 'golden goose' because their profits would dry up. No real world solution there. Sea change? All money driven.
Military? When the PTB realized how stupid they were in not using their human assets to their fullest, even unto death, yes their was a huge sea change, Colin Powell a prime example. POC represented huge man/woman power levels of ability to wage war. Any fool would have realized that sooner or later.
A lot of people have changed their attitudes about diversity, true. Trump crowds and his possible ascension to POTUS as a proudly claimed racist and fascist lets me know, we still have a hell of a long way to go in achieving, if ever, total equality for ALL americans.
Your hope is my hope, I must say though, I fear when you reach my age you will still be hoping for your dream of equality for all americans to become reality.
I do thank you for sharing your observations on our human condtion currently.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Populism starts to sound like some other really bad -ism's when it is employed by a demagogue like Trump.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That is definitely not what white supremacism is.
Trump says the same crap about everyone he doesn't like, regardless of race.
Literally nothing in that tweet has anything to do with racism.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)MuttLikeMe
(279 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)RKP5637
(67,086 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Even though Trump is about as religious as my cat, Swashbuckler.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It's also fascist.
Cary
(11,746 posts)I don't get it.
I will probably get hidden too.
Kingofalldems
(38,421 posts)And trash her while being silent on Trump.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)We all know about his "Issues".
Democat
(11,617 posts)Pro-Trump trolls.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Gothmog
(144,919 posts)mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)that, somehow, our first African American president has "made race relations worse."
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)He has been nothing but a target of racism. One time a redneck told me, "I don't mind ni**ers if they know their place." He said this as if it was the most reasonable thing in the world.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)You nailed it. Great but sad post.
K&R
Feathery Scout
(218 posts)So much truth in so few words.
basselope
(2,565 posts)The vitriol they have thrown at Obama is over the top, outrageous and OBVIOUSLY racist.
However, the white people in the GOP do not have a stranglehold on stupid. Dr. Ben Carson said some completely moronic things, as did the guy from 2012 (Pizza guy.. don't remember his name) and they cheered them on.
Yes, Trump is followed by a bunch of racists and HE is obviously racist, but the GOP has always supported stupid racist idiots, even when they happen to be PoC... so it is more stupidity than supremacy.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Photographer
(1,142 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)They will refuse to view Hillary Clinton as a legitimate president. It's what they do. The President's ethnicity was just a convenient avenue of attack. I believe, had Obama been white, they would still have viewed him as illegitimate.
TryLogic
(1,722 posts)Republicans should be called the anti-democracy party. Unfortunately, the Democratic party has become a close second. Why? Corporate money and big-money money. Bernie's movement must endure.
plain and simple.....and obvious. America today....21st century...... given the history and stubborn continuance of this ideology, not surprising.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)so true
TryLogic
(1,722 posts)"Make America Great Again" = Make America White Again (for racists).
"Make America Great Again" = Kill or otherwise discriminate against LGBT persons (for right wing Christians).
"Make America Great Again" = (fill in the blank - based on hate and fear)
lark
(23,061 posts)pay American workers like the chinese. That's his economic rx.
lark
(23,061 posts)Racists and low information voters.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)classykaren
(769 posts)kimbutgar
(21,054 posts)So scary and chilling. The same expression. I wish I knew how to post it here.
afertal
(148 posts)our educational system. It wouldn't be happening if it weren't for the intentional dumbing down of the populace, and their desire for a personality to wave a magic wand and solve their issues for them.
Sadly, this same fuel is feeding a significant percentage of those who expect Mother Clinton to show the path forward...
A village is not enough, it takes an active, informed, educated populace to make change. It's easy to be follower.