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After seeing this on Tumblr I've seen everything (Original Post) ButterflyBlood May 2016 OP
I think it is easy to miss the point on this one edgineered May 2016 #1
Then why are they being used in English sentences? ButterflyBlood May 2016 #3
Because too many people miss the point. nt edgineered May 2016 #4
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE Skittles May 2016 #26
Language changes. I'm old enough to remember when sufrommich May 2016 #2
Yep. And it was only after Ms. replaced Mrs. or Miss that most women came to understand how Squinch May 2016 #6
I've tried to explain this to the asshole MRS. CLINTON crowd Skittles May 2016 #27
Yes, but they don't need to have it explained to them. They know exactly what they are doing. Squinch May 2016 #33
yeah I know Skittles May 2016 #34
Ah. That may be why I am missing you! Squinch May 2016 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #5
I can understand why some would want a neutral pronoun awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #7
If someone doesn't like the pronoun you use, ask them which one they prefer. hunter May 2016 #8
I don't have a problem with the idea of a neutral... awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #9
It will work itself out. hunter May 2016 #10
Well, today it is 3 neutrals awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #12
It ends in a terrifying pronoun anarchy and ultimately... hunter May 2016 #13
I could live with that awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #16
Personally I don't care what pronoun is used for me bhikkhu May 2016 #11
I'm so old school. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #14
Singular they has been in use since Chaucer. Odin2005 May 2016 #23
I guess I'm not quite THAT old school. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #24
Depends on dialect, I suppose. Scootaloo May 2016 #28
I think it depends on the forcefulness of one's early English teachers. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #31
It's gotten very ridiculous. romanic May 2016 #15
Amazingly enough, I'm not active in my local LGBT community and I know three people who routinely Brickbat May 2016 #17
Well I don't hang around special snowflakes that want attention. romanic May 2016 #19
I guess that's one way to look at it. Brickbat May 2016 #20
The world is a complex place, and it's marvelous to see change happen. Brickbat May 2016 #18
I say good. marybourg May 2016 #21
English already has an gender-neutral animate 3rd person pronoun, singular "they". Odin2005 May 2016 #22
It is making a return. StrayKat May 2016 #29
Ok, I'll bite: what's "neautral"? JHB May 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #30
"Found on Tumblr" - That's why Oneironaut May 2016 #32

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
1. I think it is easy to miss the point on this one
Sun May 8, 2016, 07:39 AM
May 2016

Look at the side of the box - the words are the third person pronouns in other languages. For example, in Chinese the word ta can be either he or she.

ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
3. Then why are they being used in English sentences?
Sun May 8, 2016, 07:42 AM
May 2016

Even borrowing such words doesn't make much sense here since it even admits a gender neutral one exists (they).

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
2. Language changes. I'm old enough to remember when
Sun May 8, 2016, 07:40 AM
May 2016

"Ms." as a term for a woman who didn't want to be identified by her marital status was scoffed at and called ridiculous.Now it's so commonplace as to be the norm instead of the exception.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
6. Yep. And it was only after Ms. replaced Mrs. or Miss that most women came to understand how
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:13 AM
May 2016

much of their identity had previously been tied to their marital status.

The pronoun thing is definitely something that many of our friends will call a "first world problem" but I bet this catches on.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
33. Yes, but they don't need to have it explained to them. They know exactly what they are doing.
Mon May 9, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

How you doing, Skittles? I haven't seen you much for a bit.

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awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
7. I can understand why some would want a neutral pronoun
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:04 PM
May 2016

But 3 or more? What is the point- so there is more of a chance for someone to get offended because I used the "wrong"' neutral pronoun?

hunter

(38,303 posts)
8. If someone doesn't like the pronoun you use, ask them which one they prefer.
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

Otherwise it's like shortening or otherwise modifying someone's name who doesn't want their name modified.

Anyways, there's no need for language or gender police. Life's not a high school grammar exam, or an Olympic sporting event where athletes are invasively tested for drugs too.

People are going to assume you are simply being an ass when you demand a "he" or a "she" if they've already asked you a few times to stop.

The first women who went by "Ms." and refused to accept demands for "Mrs." or "Miss" made the world a better place.

hunter

(38,303 posts)
10. It will work itself out.
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:29 PM
May 2016

Language evolves. You never go wrong asking people which names they prefer to go by.

hunter

(38,303 posts)
13. It ends in a terrifying pronoun anarchy and ultimately...
Sun May 8, 2016, 03:32 PM
May 2016

... the extinction of all pronouns but the letter "t."

bhikkhu

(10,711 posts)
11. Personally I don't care what pronoun is used for me
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:45 PM
May 2016

but I think its great that young people are really thinking about the language they use. Language guides perception, and consciously deciding to change one's perceptions to accommodate the feelings of others is an admirable effort of mindfulness.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
14. I'm so old school.
Sun May 8, 2016, 03:45 PM
May 2016

I really hate "they," "them" or "their" being used to refer to one individual. A neutral pronoun is probably a good idea as the slash words (he/she) are cumbersome and using a plural pronoun to describe a singular person is just wrong.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
23. Singular they has been in use since Chaucer.
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:37 PM
May 2016

This is probably because of the collapse of grammatical gender in nouns in English, English's current situation of only having gender in it's pronouns is very rare when compared across all languages and this suggests that pronoun only gender is linguistically unstable in the long term. I suspect that singular "they" will completely replace he/she over the next few centuries, leaving a much more stable animate (they) vs. inanimate (it) distinction.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
24. I guess I'm not quite THAT old school.
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:17 AM
May 2016

LOL. I'm old, but...CHAUCER?!

I'm also stuck on two spaces after a period at the end of a sentence. It's hard to unlearn things that were so drilled into my head in my youth.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
31. I think it depends on the forcefulness of one's early English teachers.
Mon May 9, 2016, 01:22 PM
May 2016

And I had some forceful ones. Do they even still do sentence diagrams?

romanic

(2,841 posts)
15. It's gotten very ridiculous.
Sun May 8, 2016, 05:05 PM
May 2016

I don't know anyone who use these so-called "gender-neutral" pronouns and I'm very active in my local LGBT community. The few MTF people I know use the feminine pronouns because that's how they identify. If I referred to them as "per" or "zie" they'd think I was having a seizure or something.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
17. Amazingly enough, I'm not active in my local LGBT community and I know three people who routinely
Sun May 8, 2016, 05:13 PM
May 2016

use "zie" or "they."

marybourg

(12,586 posts)
21. I say good.
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:02 PM
May 2016

Maybe it'll end such abominations as: Me and him went to the store; They gave it to her and I; Myself and my wife are moving.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
22. English already has an gender-neutral animate 3rd person pronoun, singular "they".
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:31 PM
May 2016

All the invented ones are completely unnecessary. English currently only has gender in 3rd person singular pronouns, this is extremely rare and is linguistically unstable in the long term, in a few hundred years I expect that "they" will completely replace he/she on it's own.

StrayKat

(570 posts)
29. It is making a return.
Mon May 9, 2016, 06:45 AM
May 2016

Yes, it was used 500 years ago, but it fell out of favor last century.

It is definitely back in play now though. I don't think it will take hundreds of years to be universally accepted as millennials already seem to use it this way without balking. The singular "they" was 2015's Word of the year for the American Dialect Society and has already been added to the Washington Post's Style Guide.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/08/donald-trump-may-win-this-years-word-of-the-year/

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Oneironaut

(5,486 posts)
32. "Found on Tumblr" - That's why
Mon May 9, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

"They" - problem solved. The SJW on Tumblr are a little crazy, or are just bored college kids with nothing to do but armchair slacktivism.

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