Trump calls for an END to the Federal Minimum Wage.

[pnwmom]

In other words, not $15.

Not $12.

Not even $7.25, the current minimum.

But $0.0

How's that for throwing the difference between the parties into stark relief?

P.S. And he won't pledge to EVER release his taxes, though Hillary has released 30+ years.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/08/federal-minimum-wage-trump

Donald Trump has called for the elimination of the federal minimum wage, as he retreated from primary promises and once again refused to release his tax returns because of “a link” to an audit.

The presumptive Republican nominee for president repeatedly said he would support a higher minimum wage, a reversal from his position when he had conservative opponents. But he insisted on Sunday that states should decide such wages.

“I like the idea of ‘let the states decide’,” Trump told NBC’s Meet the Press. “But I think people should get more. I think they’re out there. They’re working. It is a very low number.”

Asked “should the federal government set a floor” – a national minimum wage – Trump replied: “No, I’d rather have the states go out and do what they have to do.

“And the states compete with each other, not only other countries, but they compete with each other.”

[Thinkingabout]

1. There you go, tRump at his best, we are nothing to him.

[Hortensis]

17. Of course we're nothing to a clinical narcissist.

He's not a whole man, and imagining he could meet normal standards if he chose is a profound misunderstanding.

I always suspected he didn't want the JOB of president. His thought processes are so weird that one can't assume that is what this is about, though. However, although he is truly astonishingly ignorant and his judgement severely impaired by his disorder, he's not so stupid he can't understand the effect his positions will have on his support--or not. Will his followers see it as an attack on minorities, or a way of sticking it to us? I don't understand what goes on in their minds either.

[3catwoman3]

40. He would LOVE the title, but no way...

...in hell he wants the actual job. He has no idea how much of his life would be controlled by others. The Secret Service will know every time he goes to the bathroom.

Mr. "You're fired. Get him outta here!" wouldn't be able to order everyone around the way he is used to and it would drive him bonkers.

[Hortensis]

41. You have to be 100% right. And even his ability

to feed his need by constantly posturing in front of cameras would be biting him badly. He'd be subject to such intense criticism for what used to draw cheers and high ratings that I wonder what the stress and disappearance of admiration, as well as the wholly unforeseen impotence, might do to his mental state.

[3catwoman3]

46. Can you even imagine him standing up...

...to all the vitriol that President Obama has handled with such grace and dignity? No way. Trump strikes back at every criticism or insult, no matter how small. He is incapable of letting anything roll off his back. He would spend all his time responding to those who weren't "nice" to him, or didn't treat him fairly, and would have no time to attend to the affairs of state.

[Hortensis]

48. All to the good. If it helped, I'd take up

tweeting myself.

[maddiemom]

72. Exactly!

He has it way better than any POTUS. Why would he want the headaches, the hassle, and the restrictions?

[RiteWingKing]

29. Trash Mouth Trump - Crap just flys out of his mouth

[gwheezie]

2. People with privilege can afford to be purists

If you can't find a reason to vote for a dem after this trump statement you are beyond reach.

[sufrommich]

5. You should read the LBN OP about this if you

want a good look at this privilege. The very first post was hidden for saying we should let him win followed by numerous posts claiming that Hillary's just the same.

[Kingofalldems]

26. Tell me about it!

[passiveporcupine]

25. the people who are not wanting to vote for Hillary are not necessarily purists

They just want someone honest who represents the people (the middle class and the poor) and not the corporations, banks and wealthy elite...and are not into global imperialism and believe that the planet is worth saving.

Those are all extremely important issues that the global elite seem to think they can find work-arounds for...but they really can't. It's not purism, but an instinct to fight for life.

[Jitter65]

33. No. They just want Hillary to be purer than anyone else who has ever run for office.

ans then they would define her as a demagogue.

[RiverNoord]

56. What?

Jesus - a year has passed since my decision not to vote for her. I'm not going to bother with my reasons because I suspect if someone smuggled out of Goldman Sachs a fully authenticated contract in which she pledged lifelong loyalty to the company, her supporters would consider it a sign of her skill at making 'connections.'

During that year, Hillary Clinton and her campaign have had many opportunities to convince me that I might be mis-evaluating her positions, history, probable agenda, etc., and get my vote.

They never even came close. And your comments are utter bullshit. I want a Democrat who is concerned about the shift of the party away from its 20th-century egalitarian tradition toward its modern role of a well-organized and efficient marketplace in which political influence among global financial, military and media interests who have no national loyalties is traded for personal and career enrichment.

I believe that Hillary and Bill Clinton are among the very best brokers between politicians and these multinational power structures. I'd really like to be wrong, but everything I've seen during the past year's campaigning has only affirmed what I already believed.

No one who comes close to the office of the Presidency is in any way 'pure.' But I won't vote for adepts of the very system that I believe is devouring our former, somewhat functional, republic.

[chwaliszewski]

59. +1000

[BlueMTexpat]

61. Spot on. eom

[danimich1]

47. Thank you for stating it so well

[puffy socks]

3. Yeah but Hillary

is just the same as Trump!

[maddiemom]

73. And Gore was just the same as Bush. (Gore's clothing got criticised too).

[Gothmog]

4. The GOP and Trump hate the minimum wage

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. And exactly how should I be surprised?

Though still need more reading into Trumpism

[pnwmom]

7. It IS a change from his position in the primaries, which is odd because they usually

move more to the center, instead of more to the right, for the general.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Read his books

It is not a change

Hell, his speeches from 2015 have a lot of this. More "surprises..." He will dissolve most federal agencies, will restructure US debt and decrease federal spending in education. In fact kiss common coregoidbye,as well as funding of public education at all levels federally.

A few other he has already gone into in recent speeches. But seriously, this is not surprising. It takes reading, and chiefly believing him. For the record, some stuff, like planned parenthood, except for abortions,he intends to leave alone.

People will be less surprised if they curl up to the crap, as scary reading as it is

[malaise]

8. No rules apply to Trump

You'd better understand that

[oberliner]

9. Not really

He was rambling and talking out of his ass like usual.

[Rass]

11. Apply some logic

hmmm, let's see;

Hillary will encourage outsourcing. I will have the lovely privilege of competing against workers that don't have to pay U.S. taxes, benefits or infrastructure. Trump; he will discourage outsourcing (or so he claims) and leave the min wage issue up to the states.

Question, what good is arguing over a minimum wage when all of the jobs are being outsourced? The Democratic party needs to justify their existence or lose progressive support. I refuse to play this stupid game of voting for the lesser of two evils. Hillary and Trump are shit options.


Bernie or bust.

[pnwmom]

15. Hillary won't be encouraging outsourcing. She's called for changes in the tax code

to penalize employers who do it.

Bernie or bust is an idiotic stance given the stark differences between the Dems and the GOP this year.

[davidn3600]

44. She supports the H1B visa program

That's the program companies have routinely abused. Disney is right now being sued for abusing it. What these companies do is fire Americans and then hire foreign workers to come in and do the job for cheap wages.

Hillary wants to expand that program.

[pnwmom]

45. Bernie has been a big proponent of the EB-5, rich person green card program.

He's been offering "no comment," though, since the Vermont ponzi scandal came to light.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2016/04/14/how-an-alleged-ski-resort-ponzi-scheme-exploited-a-growth-plan-once-championed-by-bernie-sanders/#352bf5b9b172

[TexasTowelie]

50. The latest on this story.

http://democratsforever.freeforums.net/thread/8051/federal-judge-unfreeze-quiros-assets

I posted additional links in the Vermont Group dating from mid-April.

[basselope]

76. LMAO!

Talk to me when she calls for the COMPLETE repeal of current free trade agreements.

"penalize employers who outsource". This is SUCH a nonsense statement.

[jmowreader]

28. Trump's personal history argues against his outsourcing claims

Everything that's ever been in the "Donald Trump Signature Collection" is imported with the exception of "Trump Steaks," which he apparently buys from Cliven Bundy's Wild, Mean and Ornery Ranch. AFTER they get run over by a car out on the highway.

[creeksneakers2]

39. This meme about rejecting lesser of two evils

Gets repeated here often but makes no sense other than as a fantasy by an individual who wants to pretend he's uniquely virtuous.

Life is almost nothing but choices between lesser evils. We rarely get black and white decisions. Even among Bernieism there are the same choices. For example, we have single payer healthcare. Taxes would go up on the poor and working classes to pay for it, but Bernieists still want it. That's because they believe the good would outweigh the bad. That's the lesser of two evils.

See, its not that hard to participate in the real world.

[lpbk2713]

12. No way this can be justified.

Not when the CEOs of Target, CVS and Wally World get a thousand
times what their hourly paid employees receive.


Link: https://www.glassdoor.com/research/ceo-pay-ratio/

[RoccoR5955]

13. Ahem...

Transcripts please.

[tirebiter]

14. There's a method to the madness

It gives the employer leverage to offer a slightly higher payment off the record without covering ACA or Social Security among other things.

[pnwmom]

18. No, it encourages states in a race to the bottom so employers like Trump get even richer.

And he's not getting rid of his empire, by the way, or putting it in a blind trust. He's handing it over to his children, so they can benefit from all the chaos he will cause.

[Jitter65]

35. Not to mention the ability to get around equal pay for equal work to pay minorities even less than

now. Good luck millennials with the world you will be inheriting.

[MisterP]

19. and Sanders wants $15 and does better than Clinton against him

[pnwmom]

38. Sanders is out. And realists know he wouldn't have done better in the General

once the GOP finally directed its attacks at him.

[quaker bill]

62. The "realists" here "knew" Kerry would beat Bush* easily

I remain unimpressed by "realists".

[pnwmom]

63. I never thought so. Our country's parties were very closely divided. n/t

[Duval]

20. I'm calling for an END to Trump. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. He believes everyone is worthless but himself.

[downeastdaniel]

22. Perhaps this will turn off several voters planning to go tRump...sure is a contrast on both tax

Returns and of course Fed. Min. Wage...I bet Hillary and Bernie are planning their counter attack as I write...

[nxylas]

23. Didn't America try that once before?

As I recall, it took a war to change it.

[Shoulders of Giants]

24. Hillary just won, this race is now over.

[Turbineguy]

27. The anti-union crowd

will eat this up.

[Person 2713]

34. don't forget talk some of the union crowd will Go Trump. Some already are serial repuke voters and

add more as Trump can get substantial support among white male union members without college degrees, that would not be surprising .
Don't forget how many union folk ran over to vote Reagan

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/business/donald-trump-unions.html

[Turbineguy]

49. Especially the transportation unions.

They are loaded with people begging to get screwed.

[wolfie001]

57. Some of every group will vote for that asshat

The percentage of Union voters for trump will prob'ly be quite small. This ain't the '80s.

[jtuck004]

30. "the difference between the parties into stark relief?" You sure got that right.

$0.0 <- Utter poverty, early death.

or

$7.25. $12, $15 <- working poor, just enough to keep the payments to the bank$ter/jihadists going, not enough hours to avoid needing the food stamps that survived the cuts of the past 8 years, little or no health care, not quite as early a death.

Damn hard choices...

[Kaleva]

31. Many died the last time the states competed against each other.

[Califonz]

32. Americans have elected buffoons before

and more often as year chases year...

[Iliyah]

36. Federal minimum wage gone, so is the states, and red states ain't gonna pay much if anything.

[kacekwl]

37. Other countries sooo

.75 per hour sounds competitive.

[mountain grammy]

42. Well, of course he does..

it's get worse.

[jalan48]

43. Trump really wants to bring on the revolution. Keep it up Donald.

[ReasonableToo]

51. Makes one wonder why Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to get involved with GOP

almost as if it would be convenient for Trump to take out all the GOP challengers and they spout even more toxic positions so that voters on both sides would hold their noses and vote for her thereby allowing Clintons to continue to work for the benefit of Clinton Foundation contributors.

[pnwmom]

55. He was just, in an agreeable way, steering the narcissist away from the Dem party.

We wouldn't want this looney in our party under any circumstances.

[HughBeaumont]

52. Oh good, breaking bread with the Peter Schiffs of the world.

That's not just wingnuttery, that's SUPER wingnuttery. And it's across the board for all of their candidates.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

54. WTF is this guy even talking about????

“I like the idea of ‘let the states decide’,” Trump told NBC’s Meet the Press. “But I think people should get more. I think they’re out there. They’re working. It is a very low number.”

Huh?

The guy sounds like every idiot they interview in the paper about a house fire or a car crash. No coherent thought.

Explains a lot.

[GOPblows431]

58. Trump is an utter prick

A perfect example of a selfish 1%er.

[Maru Kitteh]

60. K&R

[liberalnarb]

64. Anyone opposed to a higher minimum wage would call for an immediate raise in the wage if they ever

worked at a day in their lives.

[AgadorSparticus]

65. He is advocating for ZERO minimum wage. ZERO. And people still think Hillary is the same as Trump?

What I find curious is how the anti Hillary folks gloss over Trump's mindnumbing comments such as this and constantly redirect to Hillary's morally corrupt everything. Every. Time.

[Hekate]

66. Tinyhands Trump thinks he han't got enough $$$ because he can't hold it in all his Tiny Hands

[lark]

67. So, it's fine with him when MS, AL, LA reinstitute nothing pay and company stores?

They already only give Medicaid to people making 19% of the FPL. Of course, they'd also be allowed to change the tax rates so the rich pay .00.

[IronLionZion]

68. So step one, deport undocumented workers

step 2, promise working class Americans to have lots more jobs

step 3, race to the bottom on wages so that anyone can get a very low paying job that they can't buy the necessities of life

step 4, burn in hell for all eternity

Does that sum up the republican wet dream to make America a medieval feudal society of serfs and royalty again?

[TeamPooka]

69. He wants us to compete at the Chinese iPhone factory worker wage level. Despot in a suit

[rtracey]

70. Careful

You better watch what you say now trump. You said enough bullshit to have your idiotic followers vote you to the nomination, but if you start cutting what they live for, the minimum wage jobs your supporters love, they will not seek to kiss your fucking ring, your highness..

[texstad79]

71. But, but

I was told that Trump would run to the left of Hillary on economic issues

[Jester Messiah]

74. Wow. We should nominate someone who can beat that guy.

Tick-tock, hillarites.

[basselope]

75. Yeah and he's gonna build a wall too. LOL

[coffeeAM]

77. Miss Flip flop will be right there along with him on the minimum wage if the polls tell her to!

[SunSeeker]

78. There has never been more of a difference between the parties than now.

Hillary has a massive plan to fight climate change and promote green jobs.

Trump got a climate change denier to be his energy policy advisor.

The planet's future literally depends on us getting out and voting Democratic.