w bush helped to host the Invictus Games for wounded warriors.

[Botany]

Gee, w I wonder where all those wounded warriors got their wounds?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/invictus-games/os-invictus-symposium-20160508-story.html


Britain's Prince Harry joined former President George W. Bush Sunday afternoon on Disney World property to present and showcase ideas on how society can help military personnel overcome mental and emotional wounds after returning from active service.

Bush underscored a major theme of the day when he suggested dropping the D from the end of PSTD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). "We don't view it as a disorder we view it as an injury," Bush said during a panel discussion.

The event took place just before the official opening of the international Invictus Games for wounded warriors, which is taking place this week at Disney's ESPN Wide World of Sports. Brain injury, post-traumatic stress disorder and other "invisible" wounds were front and center.

The symposium brought a large international crowd to Disney's Shades of Green resort, an official U.S. Armed Forces Recreation Center Resort.

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We have 230,000 vets with traumatic brain injuries from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/healing-soldiers/blast-force.html

[Chasstev365]

1. This bugs the shit out of me!

Do they not know they were wounded for a deliberate lie by Bush and Cheney to the USA and the world?

[Gman]

2. He's quietly been visiting and supporting injured vets

as well as active duty for years now.

I like to think it's because he's no doubt eat up horribly with guilt over what he's done and what his war crimes did to them.

[Egnever]

4. I think that is true

I think he realizes now what a horror he created on bad advise from his handlers. I think that is why he doesn't show his face that often. If he was really proud of it he would be all over the place.

[Gman]

7. Yup

Exactly. He's never cared about anything before in his life because he didn't have to. Now he sees what he's done.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

10. Democratic Underground was established to stop "W" and some punks recommended this OP!

Are there any paid Trump-trolls working at Democratic Underground?

[Gman]

13. No, that's not a by DU was started

[surrealAmerican]

15. ... and, with this post, you just kicked the thread.

Does that make you a "Trump-troll"?

DU cannot be divided into people who agree with you and trump trolls. This is a discussion, not a witch hunt.

[Ilsa]

5. Yeah, remember that he said there would not be any casualties?

I think he said God told him that. What a huge disconnect he must have had when the body count topped 1,000, then 2,000, etc.

[Skittles]

21. he is sociopath

he feels no more for them than he does when he steps on a bug

[Gman]

22. What if

He never really had any authority or control. Cheney ran the WH along with his cronies. Cooked the intelligence, and he's stuck living up to what daddy expects. He'd never had any direction in his life. But now he's tortured knowing what was done by n the authority of who he was, and he finally knows the truth that it was all a lie. Now for the first time in his life he feels responsible and this is the only way left foot r him to do something. And he has to live with what's been done the rest of his life.

Dunno. Doesn't make him any less a war criminal. But I like to think he lives that tortured by it all.

[Skittles]

24. the only time I saw a glimmer of true emotion in that lying, warmongering asshole

was when he was talking about the execution of Karla Faye Tucker - he loved it

he always knew the war was a lie, and he feels nothing about the consequences......he thinks he is a hero to those soldiers whose lives he destroyed - he was pathetic then and he is pathetic now

[Ilsa]

3. Traumatic brain injury is a physical

Injury, or appears to be from what I've read. PTSD is still a disorder, and use of that term does not diminish the horrible circumstances which caused it in the first place, or its seriousness.

But Dumbya is too much himself to understand this, and I'm sure he thinks changing its name is going to fix the problems.

[Botany]

6. Both TBI and PTSD can be traced back to w's wars.

[YvonneCa]

8. PTS is an...

...emotional injury. It has an external cause. Veterans...or anyone else...who suffers from post traumatic stress, has an injury caused by a traumatic life experience. In the case of veterans, it was war.
The term 'disorder' implies that a condition might have an internal cause, that there is something lacking in the individual. That is not the origin of PTS.

[YvonneCa]

9. Guess that means I actually agree...

...with GWB on something.

[Ilsa]

11. Yes, it's externally caused, but I've never read where a

"Disorder" automatically implies that the cause is internal. In fact, here is the quote from Wiki, quoting DSMIV:

According to DSM-IV, a mental disorder is a psychological syndrome or pattern which is associated with distress (e.g. via a painful symptom), disability (impairment in one or more important areas of functioning), increased risk of death, or causes a significant loss of autonomy;

Looks to me like "disorder" in this definition implies external causation, not internal. However, it is probably applied more broadly to other mental health issues, like depression.

PTSD, like other disorders, is complicated, with varying timing on overcoming it, and to various degrees.

Trained professionals aren't going to assume it's an internally caused problem. Only ignorant people would do that. The solution is education, not muddying up diagnostic language, or just leaving it as "Stress", which IMO, minimizes the effects of having PTSD.

[YvonneCa]

12. The term 'disorder' is ...

...vague. It does not imply causation at all, either internal or external. That is the reason for dropping it. Post Traumatic Stress is ONLY externally caused. The person wouldn't get that diagnosis had something traumatic not happened TO them.

[Ilsa]

16. I understand that. But PTS can turn into

a disorder because of the way the brain is affected. By the time the victim is seeking help, it is usually because it has turned into detrimental behaviors, or a disorder. Behaviors that change into detrimental actions to relationships, careers, even personal safety. Yes, it can become a disorder that interrupts life. Therefore, it becomes PTSD, not just "stress".

I think too much is misread about this terminology. As if it has a bad connotation. I think anyone with even a little bit of understanding realizes that PTSD is caused by external circumstances, not organic mental illness (like schizophrenia).

[YvonneCa]

18. I didn't mean to imply that it...

...is not serious or that the condition is just 'stress' which seems to reduce its effect on a person. I would just substitute 'injury' for 'disorder.' Post Traumatic Stress Injury.
I came to believe this was better after reading about veterans who felt the label of disorder hurt them more because it defined what was wrong as a mental illness, as if they might have had a 'weakness' before being at war.

[Ilsa]

19. Excellent points. My concern is

that "injury" might be interpreted as meaning something that has a single fix, even a quick fix, and PTSD recovery doesn't work that way. The rehab isn't like physical therapy. It isn't finished in months, but years, and even then, cognitive therapy helps prevent the disorder from "disordering" one's life again after a trigger. And not understanding how a disorder and injury are different can lead to frustration or hopelessness.

Maybe the victims need help in not judging themselves over nomenclature. It's like reading an insurance EOB that lists "spontaneous abortion" as a diagnosis for a miscarriage of a wanted pregnancy.

[YvonneCa]

20. I think we agree. I especially like...

... your last paragraph. Probably the name given the condition is less important than how veterans perceive the name/label.

[lpbk2713]

14. This is the CinC who never found the time to meet KIAs at Dover.

Link: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/01/bush-and-cheney-lied-quot-tearful-quot-dover-afb-visits-never-happened/

Piss on him. He's got blood on his hands.

[malaise]

17. +1,000

Not only that but his administration banned the coverage of bodies returning to American soil.

Fuck that war criminal.

[a kennedy]

23. Yah, I wondered why the H*LL is he there, he made it possible for most of those injured.....