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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere is a new internet-meme going around, misinforming about electric cars.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/6/1524012/-Someone-is-lying-about-electric-cars-on-the-internet#read-more?1462574044
Actually, the first pic is a copper-mine. Not a lithium-mine.
And the second pic is steam-extraction of oil-sand, which is a rarely used method.
This is what lithium-mining looks like. Lithium is harvested from underground brine, which is then evaporated in large pools:
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Here's another pic of steam-extraction of oil-sand:
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And here's a pic how oil-sand is usually harvested:
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By golly! This almost looks like mining!!!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)that they're using memegenerator for their propaganda.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)of libruls
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)it's like they have a gigantic mailing list of everybody that is registered as a Republican and they get auto-emailed out these memes and then autoposted to Facebook, Twitter, etc. Then, they get retweeted or shared and pretty soon, it gets out to a crapload of people.
and those right wingers will believe anything-
after all- they saw it on the internet.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)And, I'll keep my electric car, thank you.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Lithium batteries still need a lot of copper and aluminum. So you still need the huge copper strip mines.
And lithium mining and processing is still a dirty business.
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Chemetall Foote Lithium Operation at Silver Peak
Greenbrushes Lithium Mine in Western Australia
Soquimich Lithium Mine (Chile)
Salar de Uyuni, Bolivia
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I am not saying that oil sands are any better. Between the greenhouse effect and the usefulness of petroleum in chemistry and materials manufacturing, we HAVE to get away from petroleum. But in the interest of truth, we have to acknowledge that technology is dirty pretty much all around.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)A typical 2,000 lb car will burn 24,000 lbs of gasoline in 10 years.
forgotmylogin
(7,524 posts)...aren't proving to be destructive or bad for the environment at all.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,165 posts)so even if it was stripped mined, you can't put all the blame on EVs unless you're willing to ditch all your battery operated devices.
They're also pleased as punch to strip mine for COAL.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)For instance an 18650 cell, probably the most common one, is eighteen mm in diameter and sixty five mm long, the current Tesla sedan uses over five thousand of them, usually there are six in a standard full size laptop battery and nine in the extended use model.
Lithium though is to a big extent recyclable, it isn't used up in the process of wearing out a battery and can be reclaimed at the end of life.
Not to mention that long after an EV battery is no longer useful for powering an EV it can still be used for stationary power where the demands are far less severe, for your solar power system for instance, DIY types are doing this already and sooner or later it will become a commercial thing.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,165 posts)That's pretty cool. It seems like a good opportunity for a buyback program. I would think that there would be quite a market for recycled EV batteries to the people who want the greenest option.
forgotmylogin
(7,524 posts)A lot of points have been put into the tech tree for making batteries smaller, more powerful, more capacious and longer lasting.
We still have to burn stuff to make electricity, but hopefully when we get solar roads and roofs on everyone's house, that will dwindle.
Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)Right-wingers have never been good at dealing with inconvenient details. Until very recently, they've been all too willing to let someone else do their thinking for them.
The success of the Donald is partly due to the fact that some of these right-wingers have become dimly aware that they're being lied to by some of their sources.
47of74
(18,470 posts)....and I say fuck these guys.
I wouldn't even bother trying to hold a conversation with them. There's no use to doing that seeing as how they got their heads so far up FOX News hindparts that every time someone yawns there they see daylight.
groundloop
(11,518 posts)These pro-oil propagandists conveniently neglect the fact that nearly all components in batteries are recyclable, whereas when oil is used as fuel it just goes into our atmosphere.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)about anything (politics, generalities, etc.). Weather or not they are truthful is irrelevant. The message is all that matters. Case in point:
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