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FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:00 PM May 2016

Death, Destruction, And Debt: 41 Photos Of Life In 1970s New York

Reeling from a decade of social turmoil, in the 1970s New York fell into a deep tailspin provoked by the flight of the middle class to the suburbs and a nationwide economic recession that hit New York’s industrial sector especially hard.

Combined with substantial cuts in law enforcement and citywide unemployment topping ten percent, crime and financial crisis became the dominant themes of the decade. In just five years from 1969 to 1974, the city lost over 500,000 manufacturing jobs, which resulted in over one million households being dependent on welfare by 1975. In almost the same span, rapes and burglaries tripled, car thefts and felony assaults doubled, and murders went from 681 to 1690 a year.

Depopulation and arson also had pronounced effects on the city: Abandoned blocks dotted the landscape, creating vast areas absent of urban cohesion and life itself. Today, we look at 41 poignant photos that capture a New York City on the brink of implosion:




Now home to luxury loft apartments and media agencies, the Brooklyn neighborhood of DUMBO was largely uninhabited for most of the 1970s


Once the borough of choice for the middle class, the Bronx bore the full brunt of 1970s white flight. Over the course of the decade, the Bronx lost over 30 percent of its population.


New York City became the capital of adult stores with Times Square as its epicenter.


While the towers grew, much of the city burned. Landlords who could no longer afford to maintain their buildings would occasionally burn them down to collect insurance money

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Death, Destruction, And Debt: 41 Photos Of Life In 1970s New York (Original Post) FLPanhandle May 2016 OP
re the Time Square pictures SCantiGOP May 2016 #1
I was staying in NYC in the mid to late 80's for work FLPanhandle May 2016 #2
I lived in NYC in the 70's as a moonscape May 2016 #13
I was about 10 years behind you FLPanhandle May 2016 #24
It was possible to live in Manhattan even if you weren't a millionaire. leveymg May 2016 #26
Yes! I had a decent apt near Lincoln Center moonscape May 2016 #34
When this comes up I like to point out that ... JHB May 2016 #8
WOW - very interesting. Laf.La.Dem. May 2016 #3
This is the only one I could find FLPanhandle May 2016 #4
thank you Laf.La.Dem. May 2016 #20
it sucked everywhere in the 1970's. Even the music. Good old Nixon roguevalley May 2016 #5
You must have been listening to disco. Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #7
I hear you Skittles May 2016 #10
I was buying new Zeppelin albums and tapes back then. Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #22
I used to listen to the Yardbirds on Radio Caroline in England Skittles May 2016 #23
Radio Caroline?! Seriously? MindPilot May 2016 #25
In the New York area kids listened to WNEW and WBAI when we grew up leveymg May 2016 #27
Now it's contracting. Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #43
Shrinkage in reverse proportion to the need for money. leveymg May 2016 #52
my grandparents lived on the coast Skittles May 2016 #37
ever listen to Radio Luxembourg back then? IcyPeas May 2016 #36
I did pick it up a few times but if I remember right it did not come in as well as RC Skittles May 2016 #57
I preferred Radio London myself. Boudica the Lyoness May 2016 #56
gas lines were under Carter moonbabygo May 2016 #45
First round was 1972-1974 OPEC embargo under Nixon Beausoleil May 2016 #49
it actaully started in oct of 73 moonbabygo May 2016 #50
yes, that was worse than the one under Carter eShirl May 2016 #53
And yet that period gave rise to some incredible cultural achievements KamaAina May 2016 #6
Full of gangs in the 70s like this one Stuckinthebush May 2016 #9
lol, I had to Google Warriors Skittles May 2016 #11
Such a great terrible movie, Skittles! Stuckinthebush May 2016 #12
they reminded me of Village People Skittles May 2016 #15
Your homework this weekend Stuckinthebush May 2016 #17
America's First Racially-Integrated Gang! jmowreader May 2016 #14
Oh, Cyrus Stuckinthebush May 2016 #16
Our little...piece...of turf! Iggo May 2016 #19
Now it's full of Norrin Radd May 2016 #18
Question for New Yorkers: What's the current status of the Bronx? Arugula Latte May 2016 #21
It's too late to get into the market in any of the 5 Burroughs. leveymg May 2016 #29
I am in no position to get into any NY real estate. Arugula Latte May 2016 #33
Times Square used to be cool. Philly-Union-Man May 2016 #28
The prostitution is all corporate now. Wall St and multinational chains own everyone leveymg May 2016 #30
The problem was that everything that the people who ran the city from the bottom up used Warpy May 2016 #31
Even the roads felt like they were poorly patched after a bombing FLPanhandle May 2016 #32
Holy shit! Christine is in this pic!: Aristus May 2016 #35
the color is right, though... Blue_Tires May 2016 #38
epic kick Blue_Tires May 2016 #39
Amazing pics! Thank you! smirkymonkey May 2016 #40
Looks like parking was a lot easier back then... bullwinkle428 May 2016 #41
Yes, but what condition would you find your car in when you returned? FLPanhandle May 2016 #42
NYC was an infinitely more soulful and interesting place then melman May 2016 #44
WNYC is doing a series on gentrification in NY alarimer May 2016 #46
People prefer this shit to gentrification? taught_me_patience May 2016 #47
I think there are more than merely two implicit options to choose from. LanternWaste May 2016 #48
Well if you have to move out of a place you could afford jwirr May 2016 #51
the last straw for a few of my relatives was when police snipers... Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2016 #54
I was in NYC in the early 70's. Boudica the Lyoness May 2016 #55

SCantiGOP

(13,868 posts)
1. re the Time Square pictures
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

Last edited Thu May 12, 2016, 04:57 PM - Edit history (1)

As late as the late 80's Times Square was basically a cesspool. Blocks of nothing but sex-oriented businesses, that were so seedy there was nothing sexy about them. You felt like you were being exposed to STDs walking down the sidewalk.

I was there last summer, and there is not a trace of that now. I think that is for two reasons: the city government (even have to give the odious Giuliani a bit of credit) went after them, and a NYC judge ruled in the early 90s that sexual meetings on private property between consenting adults couldn't be regulated by the City, even it they were commercial in nature. So now there are ads in a lot of places that offer private meetings, and independent web sites to rate and evaluate the offer, so there is no reason for the activity to be on the street anymore.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
2. I was staying in NYC in the mid to late 80's for work
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:47 PM
May 2016

Times Square was as you described it. I hear people now complaining is like Disney and long for the "gritty olden days", but not me. Maybe it's a bit too Disney Main Blvd at times but I'd take that over what it was.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
13. I lived in NYC in the 70's as a
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:29 PM
May 2016

young wide-eyed woman from the South, my first job out of university.

I loved it! I went to the theater a lot, and yes took cabs home, would not walk around TS at night. But during the day it was bustling, little local gyro shops, etc. I'm one who preferred that to the homogenized thing it is today. It's not as if what was there no longer exists, it just moved out of view of tourists and the theater crowd ...

Was burglarized 2x, but oddly it was just life and I never felt unsafe. Used precaution, but still took subways late at night from Chelsea to Upper West Side, and came into life there as an innocent, not street-wise.

Wouldn't trade my 70's life there for anything.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
24. I was about 10 years behind you
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:28 PM
May 2016

A wide-eyed southern boy.

I really explored that city. I was single, young, living in a corporate apartment, and had an expense account. I too wouldn't trade that time for anything.


leveymg

(36,418 posts)
26. It was possible to live in Manhattan even if you weren't a millionaire.
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:09 PM
May 2016

NYC was by that measure alone a far better place to live in the 1970s. Also, it wasn't a total police state until Guiliani turned the NYPD into the Black Shirt guardians of Wall Street. I know, because I worked at the NYSE. Oh yes, the rich were a lot poorer then - the Dow Jones average stood at 850 points.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
34. Yes! I had a decent apt near Lincoln Center
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:22 AM
May 2016

at 69th and Broadway. It was a real community: local hardware, little restaurants, artsy theater. Philharmonic in the Park for free. Off-broadway for basically free. Dizzy Gillespie nearly free in the Village - little jazz clubs. Entertainment was deep, cultural and cheap if you wanted to take advantage of it.

It was possible to live pretty well on little if you were young and didn't need orchestra seats and penthouses and a car

JHB

(37,158 posts)
8. When this comes up I like to point out that ...
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:51 PM
May 2016

...it wasn't the "free market" that changed it, it was government regulation.

When developers had projects in the 90s, they didn't want them intermingled with the sleaze shops. But the shops were able to afford higher rents than cleaner businesses. The "free market" thing to do would be to buy out their leases, but the developers didn't want to pay that much to sleaze merchants.

The solution? Regulate them out of business.

Giuliani got the zoning changed to expand he "No adult-entertainment businesses within X distance of a school or church" zones so that they covered all but a few spots. A lot of shops tried to technically comply by having a from business and relegating he adult stuff to a small section. Most of those weren't able to generate the revenue they needed, and the few that did got "inspected" often enough to scare off the customers that were still coming in.

Voila! It cleared them out, but it's a tale to tell to various fans of "the magic of the free market". T'wern't them that done it.

Skittles

(153,138 posts)
23. I used to listen to the Yardbirds on Radio Caroline in England
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:15 PM
May 2016

LOVED Led Zeppelin from the first time I heard them

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
25. Radio Caroline?! Seriously?
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:57 PM
May 2016

When I was a kid in England, that was THE station. I used to lay awake at night listening to them. I figured out how to take apart the old tube radio and connect one of those little what we would call earbuds today, and I could listen with no risk of my parents finding out i was listening to "rock and roll". Apparently that really used to piss Jesus off something fierce.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
27. In the New York area kids listened to WNEW and WBAI when we grew up
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:16 PM
May 2016

enough to want to listen to antiwar programming and Simon & Garfunkel. The music and the politics were both mind expanding in the '70s.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
52. Shrinkage in reverse proportion to the need for money.
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:57 PM
May 2016

That isn't exactly original but has been true for at least 5000 years.

Skittles

(153,138 posts)
37. my grandparents lived on the coast
Fri May 13, 2016, 05:28 AM
May 2016

I picked RC up good, and they didn't mind me listening to rock 'n roll, although grandma did call the long-hairs "bloody riff raff"

IcyPeas

(21,856 posts)
36. ever listen to Radio Luxembourg back then?
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:24 AM
May 2016

I lived in the UK for a while in '71 and remember listening to Radio Caroline at night. Also Radio Luxembourg.

Skittles

(153,138 posts)
57. I did pick it up a few times but if I remember right it did not come in as well as RC
Sat May 14, 2016, 04:11 AM
May 2016

yeah, '71 - I remember it well

Beausoleil

(2,843 posts)
49. First round was 1972-1974 OPEC embargo under Nixon
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:33 PM
May 2016

He was in office until Aug 74.
The 1979 energy crisis was towards the end of Carter's term.

 

moonbabygo

(281 posts)
50. it actaully started in oct of 73
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:48 PM
May 2016

but don't let that get in your way.

However is was President Carter in 1979 that waived most of the controls on oil and gas prices to make more fuel available.

I remember the odd even days and I remember gas stations turning me away as their gas was for their customers.

fun times

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. And yet that period gave rise to some incredible cultural achievements
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:31 PM
May 2016

including the birth of rap.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1080761/

http://vimeo.com/34429641

Disclaimer: The filmmaker is an old friend. In fact, he interviewed me for one of his other docos.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
21. Question for New Yorkers: What's the current status of the Bronx?
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

Obviously Manhattan has been transformed into a playground for the very wealthy, and "affordable" Brooklyn ain't so affordable anymore, but how about the Bronx? Are those blocks and blocks of burned out buildings still around? It seems like that real estate would be snapped up and transformed, given its proximity to Manhattan.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
29. It's too late to get into the market in any of the 5 Burroughs.
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:20 PM
May 2016

Sorry. The middle class is dead in the metropolitan area.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
33. I am in no position to get into any NY real estate.
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:22 AM
May 2016

I was just curious if the Bronx was being torn down and rebuilt like so much of the rest of the city.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
30. The prostitution is all corporate now. Wall St and multinational chains own everyone
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:23 PM
May 2016

It's not Fun City.

Warpy

(111,231 posts)
31. The problem was that everything that the people who ran the city from the bottom up used
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:24 PM
May 2016

was completely devalued and left unmaintained or abandoned or destroyed outright.

I remember driving the Cross Bronx Expressway in the early to mid 70s. I thought that was what Dresden must have looked like after the firestorm, building after building a skeleton of just a few fire blackened walls, the ones still standing shells of smoke stained walls and windows with no glass.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
32. Even the roads felt like they were poorly patched after a bombing
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:45 PM
May 2016

I agree, people just used up the city without a care.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
46. WNYC is doing a series on gentrification in NY
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:24 PM
May 2016

I listened to episode three this morning, about East New York and white flight, which turned out to be deliberately engineered on the part of real estate interests and the government. It was so much more than just racist white people fleeing the "dangerous" (actually much of the danger was trumped-up, so to speak).

Anyway, I might listen to the rest later on.

Forgot the link:

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/neighborhood/

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
48. I think there are more than merely two implicit options to choose from.
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:29 PM
May 2016

I think there are more than merely two implicit options to choose from.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
51. Well if you have to move out of a place you could afford
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:08 PM
May 2016

because it is no longer affordable - they might.

Whenever I hear the word gentrification I want to know where the original inhabitants are now?

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
54. the last straw for a few of my relatives was when police snipers...
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:30 PM
May 2016

showed up at their apartment door and said they needed to use their window.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
55. I was in NYC in the early 70's.
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:40 PM
May 2016

Street walkers and porn in Times Sq. Did not dare enter the subway. No tourists to be seen. No lines to go up the Empire State bldg.

Horrible place.

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