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WAKE UP America!



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Reply WAKE UP America! (Original post)
Playinghardball May 2016 OP
KamaAina May 2016 #1
apcalc May 2016 #2
maindawg May 2016 #3
world wide wally May 2016 #4
trof May 2016 #42
FLPanhandle May 2016 #5
cali May 2016 #12
FLPanhandle May 2016 #15
jwirr May 2016 #35
Arugula Latte May 2016 #6
certainot May 2016 #19
Arugula Latte May 2016 #20
certainot May 2016 #26
montana_hazeleyes May 2016 #7
moondust May 2016 #8
jwirr May 2016 #36
Kablooie May 2016 #9
Martin Eden May 2016 #10
Kablooie May 2016 #24
DLevine May 2016 #11
bvar22 May 2016 #13
msongs May 2016 #14
silvershadow May 2016 #16
certainot May 2016 #18
silvershadow May 2016 #29
liberalnarb May 2016 #28
silvershadow May 2016 #30
liberalnarb May 2016 #39
silvershadow May 2016 #41
certainot May 2016 #17
niyad May 2016 #21
PufPuf23 May 2016 #22
guyton May 2016 #23
NCTraveler May 2016 #25
spanone May 2016 #27
Katashi_itto May 2016 #31
yuiyoshida May 2016 #33
Katashi_itto May 2016 #34
Scruffy1 May 2016 #32
SCantiGOP May 2016 #37
mrmpa May 2016 #38
ancianita May 2016 #40
heaven05 May 2016 #43

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:09 PM

1. Achtung!

 

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:10 PM

2. Great post

Indeed

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:19 PM

3. It worked for Reagon

 

I knew it was fascism then. I did not know why I was so alone. Now I do. Progress.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:29 PM

4. That picture of Trump looks far too authentic

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #4)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:42 PM

42. Except that the hands are too large.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:31 PM

5. The German economy was an absolute shambles at the time.

Reparations and the depression meant that anyone who offered an ounce of hope would be looked on favorably.

We aren't that bad off here and now but Trump is reaching out to people left behind by the move of industry to China/Mexico. The Democrats need to have a solution too.

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Response to FLPanhandle (Reply #5)

Thu May 12, 2016, 08:10 PM

12. Yes, that's true, but perception by tens of millions here

 

is that it is very bad indeed. The symptoms aren't identical, but there are strong similarities.

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Thu May 12, 2016, 08:34 PM

15. The Democrats better has proposals to bring industry back to the US

Or they won't be getting a lot of votes.

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Response to FLPanhandle (Reply #15)

Fri May 13, 2016, 02:59 PM

35. Trump does not give real proposals - he gives sound bites.

But unfortunately that is all Hillary is giving to.

Bernie has many real solutions to which many say it cannot be done. But in a debate with Trump who has no solutions I think Bernie would do better because of his thought on the issues.

The status quo never has proposals for real solutions because the neither see the problem not have an answer for it when they finally do.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:39 PM

6. I always thought "we" were better than Nazi Germany, and then I saw

 

how easily millions of people in the post-9/11 era were swayed by utter nonsense and appeals to patriotism, and even how so called "Democrats" like Hillary Clinton would line up to do the bidding of the rightwing for political expediency in a jingoistic era and how they would so easily and nonchalantly vote to kill and slaughter tens of thousands of innocents for an obvious lie, and then I stopped feeling so good about the American people.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #6)

Thu May 12, 2016, 08:45 PM

19. well there is this

at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations, rw talk radio is worth 4.68 BIL$/ year or 390MIL$ /month FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican wall st think tank propaganda, free market deregulation bullshit, swiftboating, and the hate and fear used to get people to vote republican.

but the left prefers to slam their reps for going along with the ginned up public pressure, while looking the other way and allowing a few hundred blowhards on 1200 radio stations to take free potshots at them all day long

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Response to certainot (Reply #19)

Thu May 12, 2016, 09:16 PM

20. The reps, not the radio talkers, are the ones who have the power to decide if people live or die.

 

In the case of tens and tens of thousands of Iraqis who are now dead or permanently maimed, our reps decided that their lives were expendable--because of politics, power, and money.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #20)

Thu May 12, 2016, 11:08 PM

26. reps respond to constituencies or they aren't be worth shit as reps

whether they are enabled or intimidated to make decisions we don't like has a lot more to do with the public opinion they can point to to excuse their actions than the money that many people are saying drives them.

the left let a few hundred ignorant blowhards on 1200 radio stations use rovian/cheney/dod propaganda to lie us into war, attack and demonize war critics, and shout over protestors who should have been at those radio stations and the universities that support them.

you can give them all the money in the world but in anything resembling a democracy if there's no constituency to point to to enable the corruption then you look corrupt to everyone. whether it's a minority of loudmouthed teabaggers backed up by a few local scripted blowhards with big megaphones yelling at media and politicians, or a true constituency, the reps don't always know the difference. especially if the left won't point it out to them because it hurts their heads to listen to it.

the biggest political mistake in history, considering the time we've lost on global warming alone, is the left's total ignorance of the right's ability to use 1200 coordinated radio stations to create the made to order constituencies and elect the ignorant sycophants that now make up the new republican party. by ignoring talk radio (like not protesting those stations and the universities that support them), the left has allowed the right to enable, intimidate and fool our reps.

as long as the left ignores that $390mil/mo advantage it cannot collectively say it is getting bernie's back. that will be very evident if he gets the nomination.

all the 'principled' liberals who complain about money corrupting politics and media, and corrupt and spineless reps while ignoring that factor are hypocrites.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:44 PM

7. I see a lot of seething hatred towards Black People too.

His supporters hate black people more than any group I believe, and he is the leader for them to openly show and act upon their festering, evil, pus filled, boiling racism.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:46 PM

8. Make Germany Great Again.

After the devastation of World War I, the victorious western powers imposed a series of harsh treaties upon the defeated nations. These treaties stripped the Central Powers (Germany and Austria-Hungary, joined by Ottoman Turkey and Bulgaria) of substantial territories and imposed significant reparation payments.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007428

Hitler exploited the situation for political gain. A lot of Germans felt battered after losing the war and then from the reparations. They apparently really fell for the idea of Germany rising up and being great again. Add to that a lot of peer pressure and enforced conformity and boom...

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Response to moondust (Reply #8)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:05 PM

36. The Marshall Program after WWII recognized this cause and

was instituted to alleviate the effects of losing a war. I honestly think this may have been the first time in history where the winner actually worked to make the losers great again both in Germany and Japan.

It should have become the model for peace but it did not.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:52 PM

9. Conning the masses - yes - being a toxic ideologue - no.

Hitler, was a narcissistic psychopath like Trump, but he also was dedicated to his toxic ideology long before he gained power.

Trump has no overriding ideology.
He will support anything that he thinks will gain him goodie points with his marks.
And he will flip that support as soon as the wind changes.

I don't mean to support Trump, but this is a substantial difference between them.


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Response to Kablooie (Reply #9)

Thu May 12, 2016, 08:01 PM

10. "Trump has no overriding ideology"

I beg to differ.

Donald Trump DOES have an overriding ideology ...

... the worship of Donald Trump.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #10)

Thu May 12, 2016, 09:50 PM

24. I almost added that myself.

So you're right.
Any self respecting narcissistic psychopath would have that I suppose.
I'm sure Hitler had that ideology also as well as his aryan superiority philosophy.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 08:06 PM

11. K&R. nt

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 08:28 PM

13. Borrowed a couple of quotes.

"All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. Thus its purely intellectual level will have to be that of the lowest mental common denominator among the public it is desired to reach.

---volume 1, chapter 6 of Mein Kampf (1925)



"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."--- H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956) .


Well, THAT explains the Trump Supporters.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 08:29 PM

14. fun to play around but the two men are completely different. Adolf had a core belief system that

drove him from his very beginnings and he never deviated even a hair and was willing to die for it.

trump has no core belief system

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 08:34 PM

16. I'm waiting until the general, for the most part, before I even

 

comment on any Trump threads (which I am actively trashing). No offense, but no rec. either.

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #16)

Thu May 12, 2016, 08:38 PM

18. i don't have to wait for the general to know i will vote against this

pusillanimous fascist dictator wannabe and his dysfunctional family

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Response to certainot (Reply #18)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:41 PM

29. Me neither. I'm just trying to not distract from this very intense primary. nt

 

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #16)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:39 PM

28. I dont get it.

 

No one here is going to be mad at you for hating trump

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #28)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:43 PM

30. I'm just trying to not distract from this very intense primary.

 

Some around here are trying to pretend we are already in the general (if you know what I mean). You aren't in that group, of course. It's just my personal thing.

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #30)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:54 PM

39. Maybe so, but since the beginning of the Primary most of us have hated tRump.

 

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #39)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:09 PM

41. No doubt. I hate him too. But when I see most Trump threads I

 

just hide them, so I'm not distracted by accident into them. Some I look at, though, and even comment. But I really try not to rec them. I guess I prolly shouldn't have even said anything. I promise. I didn't mean anything by it, other than what I wrote.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 08:36 PM

17. it starts at our local fascist radio stations- worth $390 MIL/Month

at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations, rw talk radio is worth 4.68 BIL$/ year or 390MIL$ /month FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican wall st think tank propaganda, free market deregulation bullshit, swiftboating, and the hate and fear used to get people to vote republican.

because liberals have ignored it men like trump and many other racist authoritarian republican jerks have become acceptable in govt.

and we allow these 90 universities to endorse the hate and fascism coming from 270 of the limbaugh stations

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 09:46 PM

21. "those who do not know history are condemned to repeat it"

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 09:48 PM

22. They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45

Author: Milton Mayer

This is a classic book and a quick read that IMO every American should read (I did in junior high grade school back in the 1960s)

From Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-Germans/dp/0226511928/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1463103800&sr=1-1&keywords=they+thought+they+were+free

First published in 1955, They Thought They Were Free is an eloquent and provocative examination of the development of fascism in Germany. Mayer’s book is a study of ten Germans and their lives from 1933-45, based on interviews he conducted after the war when he lived in Germany. Mayer had a position as a research professor at the University of Frankfurt and lived in a nearby small Hessian town which he disguised with the name “Kronenberg.” “These ten men were not men of distinction,” Mayer noted, but they had been members of the Nazi Party; Mayer wanted to discover what had made them Nazis.

“What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.”--from Chapter 13, “But Then It Was Too Late”

Review


"Among the many books written on Germany after the collapse of Hitler's Thousand Year Reich, this book by Milton Mayer is one of the most readable and most enlightening."
(Hans Kohn New York Times Book Review)


"It is a fascinating story and a deeply moving one. And it is a story that should make people pause and think—think not only about the Germans, but also about themselves."
(Ernest S. Pisko Christian Science Monitor)


"Writing as a liberal American journalist of German descent and Jewish religious persuasion Mr. Mayer aims—and in the opinion of this reviewer largely succeeds—at scrupulous fairness and unsparing honesty. It is this that gives his book its muscular punch."
(Walter L. Dorn Saturday Review)


"Once again the German problem is at the center of our politics. No better, or more humane, or more literate discussion of its underlying nature could be had than in this book."
(August Heckscher New York Herald Tribune)

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 09:51 PM

25. Wake Up America!!!! Love this

 

https://m.

Video is only a section of it.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 11:44 PM

27. K&R...

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:44 PM

31. But we would get a Hunger Games or Rollerball with President Trump.

 

Televised "Battle Royale" would be best



Sheldon Adelson: I endorse Donald Trump for president

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #31)

Fri May 13, 2016, 02:40 PM

33. One of my favorite actresses came from that movie

Kou Shibasaki


She is a great singer, and was in the movie The sinking of Japan


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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #33)

Fri May 13, 2016, 02:43 PM

34. I always liked Chiaki Kuriyama. Tarantino picked her for "Kill Bill" beacuse of "BR"

 



I like her singing too:

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 02:18 PM

32. Except he never was elected, so it misses the point.

He finished second to Hindenbrug in the run off. Hindenburg was senile and the was talked into appointing Hitler chancellor before he died. The Nazis just took over. The real lesson to be learned is that voting for the lesser of two evils guarantees evil. The Democratic Socialists backed Hindenburg as the lesser of the two evils.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:15 PM

37. A year ago

I would have said this was a ridiculous, paranoid over-reaction.

Now I say: This is scaring the crap out of me. There are definite parallels.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:21 PM

38. Yep, same questions my students have had.....

over the years. Also read the Patriot Act & compare it McCarthyism, it's the same thing just a new enemy. Had a college history professor who explained that the US always needed an enemy. During the cold war it was the USSR and communism, once that all fell apart, the US went looking for an enemy and found it in the Mideast with militant Muslims.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:08 PM

40. I highly recommend that everyone watch 'Look Who's Back' on Netflix. Hitler returns to

modern day Germany. You'll hear Trump in a few of his lines.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:03 PM

43. thank you

 

americans have been warned. Not that it will make a difference if he ends up the tyrant in the White House.

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