What are western women supposed to do with muslim immigrant males who have been accepted to Europe?

[Quantess]

[shenmue]

1. Huh?

[Liberal_in_LA]

2. " do with"? That is a bit racist

[Scootaloo]

3. Poster has something of a record

[Liberal_in_LA]

4. I see..

[Scootaloo]

6. Yeah, we've got a few regulars like this on DU

Skinner seems to feel they make valued contributions to the environment here or something, I dunno.

[eShirl]

55. oh lovely...

[Quantess]

41. Please explain to me how you think it is "racist"

[northernsouthern]

5. Your post is way too vague...

...and in being so vague make a bit of a bigoted claim (not racist since muslim is a religion people...and say it is racist is actually racist since you are then implying that there is a muslim race).

[Scootaloo]

9. Well, a note on that.

Islamophobia is heavily radicalized, because the targets of it are overwhelmingly nonwhite. When people rant about Muslims, they are almost always picturing a nonwhite "other." The OP makes it pretty clear - they're not worried about people who practice Islam, so much as those other people from somewhere else who practice Islam ("western women" vs. "immigrant men.&quot Also notice that particular contrast, "our women, their men," which is... pretty consistent with patterns of racism.

(Of course in this particular post, they're "males," not "men" - nice bit of dehumanization there, western women get to be women, Muslim men are "males" though. Like an animal of some sort.)

Basically, no, Muslims are not a "race." However they are overwhelmingly nonwhite, islamophobes frame it as a racial conflict, using racialized terms and tropes, and very often sweep up nonmuslims who "fit the type" such as Sikhs, Jains, and Baha'i. Islamophobes also generally believe anyone who resembles an Arab must be a Muslim and therefor conforms to their negative stereotype of Islam. Even if that person isn't a Muslim, even if that person isn't an Arab, or even middle eastern.

My point is, Islamophobia is a sort of bigotry held by racists, who use race in their judgement, framed in a racialized context, to target people who are overwhelmingly racial and ethnic minorities in their communities. It might not be "racism" in the absolute technical sense, but it's close enough that when someone calls it racism, you don't need to shake your finger and lecture them about it - thereby distracting from the fact of hte bigotry to attack a person calling out and criticizing said bigotry in a fairly accurate manner.

[northernsouthern]

11. It is racist to call it racist though.

I hated it when Ben Aff did it, and I hate when anyone else does it. I have very close muslim friends that are whiter than me, several that are asian, and some that are very dark like people from Somalia. A large percentage of muslims are asian (which includes Pakistan). I personally am not a fan of the religion in its most literal forum (nor most religions, even the lotus sutras were not the most fair to women), but we need to not be party to the racist by using the term racist.

[Scootaloo]

92. Well, that argument doesn't make any sense at all

And whether you "hate" it or not is irrelevant to the reality that Islamophobia is strongly racialized. Again, the OP underlines this, by drawing the conflict as between "their immigrant men" versus "our western women."

If you were unaware, "western" is a stand-in term for "white" when a racist wants to say something racist but wants to look like they're not. Thanks, Samuel Huntington.

[northernsouthern]

107. You can redefine it all you want, but it is not racism.

Racism is based on a person's family tree, Islam is not. We could call it sexism and be closer as it seems to aim at only males. (which further makes the racist term moot) I dated a several muslims years ago...none were "white"...but none looked like they were from the "middle east". Also the wife of a friend is muslim from the Turkey area and she looks as white as any other European. All I am saying is it needs to be called what it is, sexism, prejudice, nationalism, etc...but not racism.

[Albertoo]

12. You are conflating Islam-phobia with Muslims-phobia

Only the second is racially driven.

Being wary of a doctrine which is misogynistic, homophobic and totalitarian is reasonable.

[Scootaloo]

90. Except as the OP shows us, they are one and the same

Knowing nothing about a given Muslim except that they practice Islam, the Islamophobe instantly assumes that this person MUST be a mysogynistic homophobe totalitarian. Haven't even said "hello" yet, but the bigot has already fully judged the person's personality, thoughts, feelings, and aspirations, based on a single vacuous fact.

And yeah, sorry, "I don't hate the people, I hate this one thing that I associate with all of those people!" isn't really an escape route. Because the people are still being hated, and judged, by someone who usually has absolutely no clue whatsoever.

[Albertoo]

106. They can be the same, but that does not diminish the ill effects of the islamic ideology

Granted, you will find many people for whom islamophobia is just a rejection of a form of otherness. That, like any ostracism, should be discouraged.

However, it would be illusory to overlook the fact the people of the Muslim majority countries are turning to a more radical version of the islam construct under the influences of Saudi financing, youth bulge, unemployment and inept/corrupt governments, and that in turn shapes the global islamic ideology.

It might be wise to address the issue of global radicalized Islam for three reasons:
- it's here to stay for a while
- it's dangerous (San Bernardino, ISIS, ..)
- if Democrats leave the issue to Trump, fearful swing voters will vote toupee

[Quantess]

45. You don't give a fuck about sexism or homophobia, though?

[Maedhros]

101. No, we mostly just don't give a fuck about what you have to say about it.

/ignore list.

[Quantess]

59. Do you support Muslim Extremists' hatred of transsexuals, gays, lesbians, jewish people?

A question for you: what is the opinion of the Holocaust?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

62. I'm sorry. Did your post specify "muslim extremist males"? No?

Then in all due respect, shut up. You've broadbrushed yourself into a corner, with your vague, narrowminded posting.

There are misogynstic, narrow minded muslims, and there are muslims who are open-minded and accepting of others. In other words, just like any other group. By putting them all in the same category, you're no better than the people you purport to be against.

I swear, you sound like some right-wing bigot talking about "our women".

[mr blur]

84. Do you support Christan Extremists' hatred of transsexuals, gays, lesbians, jewish people?

A question for you: what colour does bigotry have to be to make it acceptable to you?

[Scootaloo]

93. I don't think I said anything to indicate your implications. Care to back this up with anything?

I'll wait, but I won't hold my breath.

[Scruffy Rumbler]

98. Beautifully written and stated! nt

[Quantess]

18. If you lived in Sweden you would know what I am talking about.

And I assure you, I am the one reminding people that Muslim is not a race, because it isn't.

[northernsouthern]

24. Then you need to be more specific.

You sound like you are just a person filled with some issues with your post's wording. I had a fiend that was a Muslim from Somalia going to school to be a painter. A hardcore extremist muslim would have an issue with him because you are not allowed to draw or paint people...but he was extremely nice, and he also prayed 5 times a day...so he found a balance in the two. Your wording makes it seem like all people are alike...which is wrong. There are many studies that show people from areas that have a more strict view harbor some very bad ideas like death to people leaving the faith...but that is an outreach problem...visitors need to respect the customs, but they need to be welcomed and ostracized. I knew one hardcore muslim that was horribly racist against all jewish people. I constantly had to talk him down from what hew would say...I felt bad knowing that he would be very lonely in the US as far as dating since he was so close minded...but his sister and her husband were amazing.
Also I am the one saying that it is not racism...but your tone is what I am also saying is very bad...you got a bit of the nazi flavoring to how you posted it.

[Quantess]

26. I don't need to start arguments, in fact, that is not at all how I am in person.

Okay the thing is... I live in Sweden and we have the highest per capita influx of "refugees" in the entire world. Not only that, Sweden does not question young males claiming to be "children", because it would be too insulting to their integrity to question them about their wrinkles and grey hair. Other countries such as Norway and Denmark are already way to the right of Sweden.

[northernsouthern]

28. Lol, really?

Some one with wrinkles and grey hair claims to be a child? Are you kidding me? My wife's uncle was a surgeon in your country until he moved...never heard it was that easy to trick you guys. I can't wait to visit there and claim I am a kid to get all of the discounts on plane tickets, train tickets, movies, dinners, etc! Do you have actual proof that this is occurring? Also does the name "Anders Behring Breivik " mean anything to you?

[Quantess]

33. Well you just get on the gravy train!!!

I am not kidding you at all. It's my bedtime and I am too lazy and sleepy to look up the facts for you.
Sweden routinely accepts "children" without any age-verification at all, because Sweden considers age-verification to be insulting.

[MrsMatt]

61. There are a few instances where

migrants claiming to be children (but were determined to be young adults) were placed in children's group homes, that subsequently raped other vulnerable youth.

and btw, Anders Behring Breivik is from Norway, not Sweden.

[6chars]

102. so it sounds like there is no problem there

and women "do" with these young men what they feel comfortable doing.

[Firebrand Gary]

7. Have ice cream.

Ice cream is nice.

[Bonx]

8. With a slice of pie. Maybe apple.

[LeftyMom]

10. Whatever the fuck they want?

[Marrah_G]

13. I think what you mean is how to deal with males still with cultural attitudes about sex

It's a difficult problem in trying to balance avoiding prejudice and protecting women's rights.

We cannot blame all male Muslim immigrants and at the same time we cannot ignore the safety and freedom of women put in jeopardy by some groups of these men.

[840high]

14. Good post. Agree.

[prayin4rain]

49. Agreed. n/t

[smirkymonkey]

74. Good point!

[GermanWatcher]

15. Hmmmm, let me think....

Radical idea: Treat them as human beings, maybe?

[BlueMTexpat]

16. Winner! Thank you! eom

[Quantess]

17. Apparently no one here (on the DU or in the USA) is aware of the situation in Europe.

There ARE REAL cultural differences.

[GermanWatcher]

19. Oh, really?

Hint: My nick gives you an indication of where I come from.
Hint number two: I'm a journalist in the part of Germany where most of the refugees arrive and which as struggling to cope with the logistic problems. I've done dozens of stories about this subject.
I still see no reason to treat Muslim men any other way than any other human being.

[Quantess]

21. That's wonderful! I love interesting experiences and opinions!

It's a cultural clash, though.
Also, as a Swedish woman living in Swedish culture, I would ask the same of them.

So yeah, you can get a hint that I live is Sweden.

[GermanWatcher]

22. Everyone will adapt, it's what humans do.

True, those who come to a new cultural environment will have to adapt more, and that will take time.

[Quantess]

23. So, will the WOMEN have to adapt to these misogynistic, backwards assholes?

Yes, of course, it's always the WOMEN who have to take the backseat. And what about the gays lesbians and transgendered?

[GermanWatcher]

25. Bit of a broad brush here, maybe? nt

[Quantess]

29. You just called me a broad, you f'n sexist!

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No really, there is a GIGANTIC difference being able to joke around even a little bit, and and just forgetting to cover your ankles and being called a "WHORE", like what my Iranian co-worker, who is not even religious at all, experienced when she visited relatives in Iran. She told me later when she returned to the nice environment in Sweden!

[Ilsa]

50. He didn't call you a "broad". He used the term

"broad brush", meaning generalizing too far. Since english is probably a second language to you, I'll not alert. But you can't do name calling like that ("f'n sexist&quot .

[Quantess]

52. It's cool.

[GermanWatcher]

51. Prejudice helps order a complex world...

I´ve been to Iran as a TV correspondent. Yes, something like this could happen to you. Or you could meet the most liberal, intellectual, open-minded people there. I´ve seen both.
As I have in Germany. Oh, and in Sweden, too. Oh, and that applies to Muslims as well as Christians and any other religion...

[Quantess]

57. So... you were serious?

[Albertoo]

60. It's besides the point

here:

I still see no reason to treat Muslim men any other way than any other human being.

The real problem is that Islamic preachers in Syria and Iraq have taught their flock homophobia and misoginy and religious supremacism.

So yes, by all means, we should treat refugees like any other human being. The question is to know if they will treat women, gays, atheists, etc like any other human being should.

PS: I can link you to the German Ministry of the Interior studies showing people of the Muslim faith choose to integrate less into German society than other migrants because they choose to do so based on a religious rationale (they also were egged on in that direction by Erdogan)

[GermanWatcher]

64. I´ve never said there are no problems...

I know those studies. And I know the mistakes German society has made in regard to integration of immigrants. The conservatives have always denied that Germany needs a specific immigration policy. So there has been no coherent way to treat immigrants for sixty years.

The Turkish (and therefore mostly muslim) immigrants were the largest group to come to Germany in the 1960s and 1970s. Being such a large group and facing no coherent demands to integrate, many of them stuck to their traditional ways.

Still, I think it´s not beside the point to stop broad brushing a large and diverse group.

By the way, shall we talk about what caused the collapse of Iraq and Syria?

[Albertoo]

68. Iraq=GW's fault. And the lack of gastarbeiter policy is only part of the issue.

More than 10% of the recent wave of migrants have sympathy for ISIS and antipathy for the West. That's not broad brushing a large and diverse group, it's taking stock of reality. So I fear "I´ve never said there are no problems" is a rather mild way to assess the situation.

[Marrah_G]

20. Yes, agreed. There is a lot of video out there.

People don't want to believe it because they do not want to be seen as racist/bigoted.

[muriel_volestrangler]

27. That's a bit of a broad brush, isn't it?

"THE" situation in Europe? You have a situation yourself - which you're not describing very well (it's not as if your OP said anything about Sweden; and it's taken until #23 for you to specify your problem is with misogynistic, backwards assholes, rather than Muslim immigrant males).

I'm in Europe too, and while there are some misogynistic, backwards assholes, they aren't necessarily Muslim immigrant (recent or not) men.

[Quantess]

34. No

your problem is with misogynistic, backwards assholes, rather than Muslim immigrant males).

No I know the difference between Swedish culture and these misogynistic cultures that have invaded Sweden.

[LostOne4Ever]

30. Accept them as fellow human beings and treat them like anyone else? nt

[Quantess]

35. Oh, like they mostly DO NOT DO for scandinavian women,

gays, transgendered people?

[LostOne4Ever]

38. Oh, so you have records of how all of those people have acted? EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM?

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Please post your deep research proving your accusation.

I will be waiting patiently for the results...

[/font]

[Quantess]

39. No, once again "NOT EVERY PERSON CLAIMING TO BE WITHIN THE MUSLIM FAITH"

How many fucking times do I need to go over this again and again?

[Denzil_DC]

47. How about "every fucking time" you post about

"muslim immigrant males who have been accepted to Europe"?

Is it any surprise that people take that to refer to "EVERY PERSON CLAIMING TO BE WITHIN THE MUSLIM FAITH"?

[whatthehey]

71. It should be

The absolute inability of DU to understand the difference between collective generalizations and individual universalities is a source of constant wonder.

Not a single person outside this silly poutrage-seeking echo chamber would bat a hair at "United States elects Obama President" as a 2008 headline. Nobody sane would whine about it being not EVERYBODY in the US because anyone with an IQ above room temperature, in Celsius at that, realizes it is speaking to the country as a collective whole not every inhabitant thereof. Even here if the generalization is about the right group it's acceptable. "Republicans oppose gay marriage" would never bring out aghast cries that some of them don't. But the US as a collective group did elect Obama (not even a majority of it either, just the majority who voted at all) and Republicans as a collective group do indeed oppose gay marriage, and yes Muslim immigrants as a collective group do come from deeply misogynistic and homophobic cultures to varying extents from bad to fricking insane, as we can see from the laws and mores of those cultures. Just because we have come across Mr. Abdi Abdirazek who is a perfectly sweet and noble soul does not mean that his native culture is likewise, or that his fellow immigrants from there will be.

[smirkymonkey]

76. +1000

[leftynyc]

81. Good post

Prepare for the backlash that is sure to be coming your way.

[Denzil_DC]

82. Thank you for butting in. That's apologist bullshit.

The OP makes wild generalizations about "immigrants" and "Muslims" in "Latest Breaking News" and elsewhere on DU pretty much on a daily basis. There is no parallel between language that demonizes a whole religio-cultural group and casual journalese like "United States elects Obama President" such as you cite.

If you're wanting to band together with the OP and agree with her OWN WORDS above that all Muslims are a problem - which is what I challenged and responded to - go right ahead, but don't expect everybody else to fall in line. By doing so, you make those Muslims who are not part of the "problem" you identify invisible. That's not helping anybody, least of all those Muslims we should be encouraging to challenge and continue to challenge Islam's retrograde tendencies.

As for the OP, she spends so much time posting about these issues here and apparently scouring the Web for Muslim transgressions that I very much doubt she has daily contact with many people in the offline world, let alone Muslim immigrants!

[whatthehey]

85. Butting in? How does that work on a discussion thread exactly? And no, it's not BS

Syntax doesn't change based on subject. "Muslims" is a generalization every bit as much as is "Americans" or "Republicans". Everybody knows the words "all" and "every" and is capable of using them if they mean and wish to express that concept. Without that men murder more people than women, Americans are a religious people, and whites trend Republican, unquestionably all true and not at all negated by the fact that I'm a white American male who is not religious, Republican or a murderer, and pretty darn close to equally opposed to becoming any of those things.

Christ this place is like a middle school. I can't fathom the shallow pettiness that tracks people from thread to thread. I have not the slightest clue and the same interest whether I have "banded together" with the OP, with you, or with anybody else at any time past or will in future. DU is written content, nothing else. I respond to the posts, not my childish image of a poster I have never knowingly met. IF (can you cite by the way?) they said ALL Muslims are a problem then clearly that's blithering idiocy. ALL of nigh two billion anything-ist people are not universally anything but basic tautologies like mortal and carbon-based. If however you just can't accept basic grammar that "Muslims" is far more likely to be used as a generalization, then the problem is not the OP's potential blithering idiocy.

[Denzil_DC]

86. It's butting in when I was addressing a ridiculously glaring

and contradictory blind spot the OP has, and clarifying to her in similar terms to those she uses, and therefore hopefully might understand, why she apparently keeps having to explain herself on this issue. SHE DID CLEARLY IMPLY SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL MUSLIM IMMIGRANT MALES. See, we can all use caps if we want to. That's what I reacted to, and what you butted in on with your screed. Her past posts don't lead me to think it was careless phrasing. Ask her if you're interested.

You can blah away about "middle school" all you like, all I'm seeing is a blur of whiny words that don't add up to anything it's worth me wasting my time trying to unravel and address.

Post inflammatory bullshit on a public board, some people are going to react. Make a habit of it, well ... Pretty damn simple.

And I see the usual little posse that home in on threads like these have arrived to back you up with the +1000s etc. That's pretty "middle school" from where I'm sitting. Enjoy your company, I'm done with you.

[whatthehey]

87. Cite the implication and I will condemn it too. I have seen no such.

There is however no concept of "butting in" on a discussion forum regardless of how poutraged you were about some point or other. If you seek to engage the OP in private, the messaging functionality is your friend.

I note you fail to address the central issue of generalizations however. Wonder why?

[Denzil_DC]

105. Wonder away. I've addressed what I set out to address. You don't like it. Tough. Poutrage indeed.

I don't always rise to it, but I've reached the endstops of my tolerance for some of the casual bigotry expressed here on a daily basis.

I actually have far less patience for anyone who'd try to excuse it and explain it away, no matter in what faux-intellectual florid terms, let alone attempt lamely to take me to task for challenging it.

You don't get to set the terms on which I participate in this forum, so get lost. As I said, I'm done with you. Is that too hard to grasp, or have you no better way to occupy your time?

[whatthehey]

110. So...no cite of this "clearly implied" universality then.... ok

[muriel_volestrangler]

95. If someone said "what is the world meant to do with Americans", yes, people here would object

There is a difference between reporting the outcome of a country's election by using the country to imply the country's overall vote, and saying something 'needs to be done' with a group of people.

One of the problems with religion is that it's ingrained in people's identity. It's easier to persuade someone to stop being a Republican than it is to get them to leave a religion. And because of that, it's worse to use a broadbrush judgement (that something need to be done with the people in a group) on the basis of their religion than because of their political affiliation.

[Squinch]

103. Great. You should make an OP of this. This is a real issue, and we need to look at it.

I am not willing to do anything to accommodate anyone's cultural misogyny. Cultural misogyny exists in these countries. It is not unreasonable to ask how those two positions are to coexist.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

104. That needs to be copy and pasted to a lot of

threads around here.

[LostOne4Ever]

48. As many times as it takes for you to stop broadbrushing people.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]You are the one who posted the phrase:[/font]

What are western women supposed to do with muslim immigrant males who have been accepted to Europe?

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]And:[/font]

Oh, like they mostly DO NOT DO for scandinavian women,

gays, transgendered people?

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]You even used the word "mostly."

You have no clue if that is true or not.

You make no attempt to quantify or qualify your statements. You have no idea how many of them do not do what I suggested. You pronounce judgement upon a marginalized minority, one that is going through a horrible humanitarian crisis , without even attempting to distinguish between them in your OP or reply to me.

I am very critical of religions and cultures that promote hate and misogyny. But even so, I know that not every member of said religion or culture is bad, and unless i have PROOF I wouldn't ever even say most of the adherents of a religion or members of a culture share those beliefs.

Especially when they are refugees desperately seeking asylum, especially when there is already a bigoted effort to deny them safehaven.

If a member of those seeking asylum does something untoward anyone, I will condemn that person and seek that they recieve the appropriate consequences. I wouldn't condemn the entire group, or suggest that said group not be given safehaven because of others.

And I will never use women and the LGBTQ community as a shield to hide my own prejudices.[/font]

[oldandhappy]

32. what?

Have a coffee? Help find a job? Locate language classes? Invite family/kids over for a visit? Show how to use library or computer?

[Skittles]

36. what do you mean, DO?

are you insinuating women only have to beware of Muslim men in regards to sexual attacks?

[Quantess]

37. No. Clearly most DUers aren't aware of the situation in european countries

that have taken in all these muslim immigrants.

OF COURSE there is a culture clash! But it's Muslim extremism showing it's ugly face in the form of honor culture (a euphemism), and beheading gays & lesbians.

I'm not not sure what your point was, Skittles.

[Skittles]

40. they are beheading gay folk in Europe?

"all these" - you're getting really close to the proverbial THOSE PEOPLE

[Quantess]

44. Well there is a WHOLE FUCKING LOT OF honor killings

all the time! A lot of the time, the teenage girl is thrown off the balcony to her death.

That's the M.O. in a european coutry, so I hear.

[Skittles]

108. here, they just call them casualties of domestic violence

what do we do with them? Same as we do now with non-Muslim guys - treat them like MURDERERS

[myrna minx]

43. Minnesota and Minneapolis, which is host to the largest Somali population in the USA,

(and is also the largest concentration of Norwegian Americans in the USA), manage to exist together. We also have a huge population of LGBITQ folks. While there were growing pains and challenges when the first waive of refugees immigrated to Minneapolis 25 years ago, we're all still here - and no one has been beheaded.

There are always challenges - and while everything isn't perfect here - not by a long shot - it's not the nightmare scenario you've painted. There are assholes in every culture. Every single one.

[Quantess]

42. I'm not sure exactly what that means, but....no..

I am 100% LGBT friendly!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

46. Alt-righty, then. Nt

[AgerolanAmerican]

53. It's not obvious to many here

but it will be eventually

You can pull people out of third-world primitivism, but you can't pull third-world primitivism out of people quite as easily.

People will come around once they understand that accepting practitioners of traditional forms of Islam means throwing women and LGBTs under the bus.

[eShirl]

54. Nothing.

Next.

[Sunlei]

56. what do woman in your society usually, 'do' with 'men'? or are the 'males' you mentioned children?

I'm guessing you're from Europe? and not used to immigrants from other countries as part of your society?

In America we have millions of immigrants, all religions & races. Personally, I think the diversity is a huge benefit to our society.

[A Little Weird]

58. It's a tough question

On one hand, I admire the governments of those countries who are accepting this influx of immigrants from a really bad situation. But on the other hand, I am baffled because they seem to be bending over backward to be "accepting" to the point of accepting sexist behavior from many of the immigrants at the expense of their existing citizens. They should have some kind of acclimation program to integrate the new residents into the culture and if they behave in an unacceptable way after that they should be held accountable.

[pampango]

63. Advocate to send them back to Africa or Asia from whence they came OR

accept the vast majority who are good people (just like every other group of people) and enforce the laws against the minority who are not.

Unless Muslims are all alike and so inferior that they cannot be allowed to live next to decent 'Western' people.

Burgeoning right wing parties in Europe (and the US) want to ban them and send them back.

400 Arrested As Left Wing Protesters Clash With Far-Right In Germany

"Keep refugees, drive Nazis away!"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/alternative-fur-deutschland-conference-protesters-germany-arrested-a7007971.html

[w0nderer]

65. comment to keep eye on thread n/t

[Tommy_Carcetti]

66. ................

"Brothers! Oh, brothers! We have all gathered here, to preserve our hallowed culture and heritage! We aim to pull evil up by the root, before it chokes out the flower of our culture and heritage! And our women, let's not forget those ladies, y'all. Looking to us for protection! From darkies, from Jews, from papists, and from all those smart-ass folks say we come descended from monkeys!"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0190590/

[gollygee]

67. I am around Muslim immigrant men pretty frequently.

It is not difficult and it requires nothing special or unusual.

[redStateBlueHeart]

69. You might find the answer

You might find the answer you're looking for on the /r/the_Donald subreddit...

[Tommy_Carcetti]

73. Right between the "Trump as Pepe the Frog" meme and the post that uses the word "cuck".....

.....28 times.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. They should treat them as they would like to be treated and vice versa.

[cyberswede]

72. In what respect, Charlie?

[tenderfoot]

75. troll

or is it trolless?

But troll.

[Scootaloo]

94. Somewhere, goats are tromping all over a bridge willy-nilly

[leeroysphitz]

77. What are western men supposed to "do with" mulsim immigrant females who have been accepted to Europe

[fleur-de-lisa]

78. Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027828266

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is bigotry. At best, it broadbrushes muslims. At worst, it recalls old racist tropes about nonwhite men being a threat to white women.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 13, 2016, 09:09 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This post is not in itself offensive and hiding it won't fix the thread.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The OP is trolling and racist against Muslims.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Jesus. Couldn't you just have put your objections in a reply to the poster? Man some of these alerts are weak!
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Anti-Muslim posts don't belong here.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Meh. Alerter may be right, but the OP was rather vague. After reading through all of the follow up posts by Quantess in this thread, some of them do seem somewhat bigoted. But this particular post is too vague to merit a hide.

[Iggo]

79. Whatever they feel comfortable with?

[Person 2713]

80. I don't know your unhealthy obsession issues but not the first post so I will ignore now

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

83. Welcome them as new citizens.

[LanternWaste]

88. What are western women supposed to do with Christian male citizens who have been living in America?

What are western women supposed to do with Christian male citizens who have been living in America?


Absurdist, half-witted and idiotic question, part two.

[Arugula Latte]

89. Expect them to conform to the culture and laws of the country they're in.

Not vice versa.

If they try to push their backwards religious bullshit on other people, then they need some major pushback, just like with anyone, immigrant or not.

[etherealtruth]

91. Hopefully the more intelligent and enlightened "western women" will choose to ....

... fight ignorance, xenophobia, islamophobia, racism and bigotry on their behalf.

[Arugula Latte]

96. They should also fight religious-based misogyny and homophobia.

[etherealtruth]

97. Any bigotry should be fought, not perpetuated

[LeftInTX]

99. When they say hi to me, I say hi back

If they have a conversation with me, I talk to them. I've shot basketball with a fellow at the gym. He was in his 20s, I am in my 50s. I had conversation about Saudi Arabia with a young guy at the doctors' office. He complained about the price of gas in the US and how nobody is homeless in Saudi Arabia because the govt takes care of them.

However, another story:

40 years ago, I went to college in very white northern Wisconsin. About 150 young Saudis attended pilot training in town and they all stayed in one of the dorms. It was fun in the dining hall, because they loved staring at us. A few of my friends went out with a few of them. They were super rich and they wasted a bunch of money. It was a bit of a culture shock on both ends, but it was more fun than anything.

ETA: I'm female btw. I also shop at a ME store where I'm a minority. No big deal.

[KamaAina]

100. Say "Welcome to Europe"?

[a la izquierda]

109. Not sure about in Europe...

But I treat them like any other student. You see, there are probably 200-300 Muslim immigrant men on my university campus. I guess you want me to be afraid of them or something.