Does this sound ominous? the Women's Enhanced Reflection Act

[cali]

It's got your 1984 language down perfectly. Could these antedeluvian cretins be more paternalistic?


Gov. Jon Bel Edwards intends to sign the Women's Enhanced Reflection Act, making Louisiana the sixth state to make women wait three days after meeting with a doctor to have an abortion.

Opponents say its an unnecessary hurdle for an already-legal medical procedure. One woman, who has had multiple abortions, thinks it is a pause women need to consider alternatives to abortion.

<snip>
http://m.wdsu.com/news/lawmakers-pass-3day-wait-requirement-for-women-seeking-abortion/39505932

[NightWatcher]

1. If you have a right to something, you shouldn't have to wait on it 3 days

Of course this is a hurdle for women who have to travel away from home to see the doctor, hoping that a delay will make them unable to return.

Fucking swine

[Red State Prisoner]

26. So says the conservative troll

What an asinine comparison. I could have forgiven an apples to oranges argument. Apples to asparagus...yeah, that's just stupid.

[cyberswede]

30. Equating a medical procedure with shopping for a doodad is ridiculous. nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. Really?

[COLGATE4]

33. The rule about waiting to actually get a gun you've purchased

is designed to prevent its use of it based on a temporary emotion of the moment. Most women don't make up their minds to have an abortion on the spur of the moment.

[Delver Rootnose]

38. As I understand it....

....is the three day waiting period for gun purchase is to allow time to do a background check to see if you are legally allowed to have the gun. I could be wrong though.

[NightWatcher]

42. False equivalency. Part of that 3 day wait for a gun is to check to see if you can legally buy a gun

Felons and violent people are not allowed to own firearms. There are no exceptions for women who wish to visit a doctor...

[niyad]

47. what flavour pizza do you like?

if you do not see the difference between a medical procedure and a piece of weaponry, you have some serious problems.

[awoke_in_2003]

51. I will say what everyone is thinking

You're a fucking idiot.

[scscholar]

54. Except with gun

With guns we need ten days as an absolute minimum.

[leftynyc]

2. It could be these waiting periods

piss me off more than anything else. As if the decision to terminate a pregnancy isn't hard enough, these clowns are basically patting us on the head and saying "we don't think you've thought about this long enough little lady, you need to think about it some more". So freeking condescending. That doesn't even get into that so many women have to travel hundreds of miles TWICE (perhaps even having to pay for hotels and such). These kinds of bullshit laws are only to punish women for wanting control of our lives. Grrrrrrrrr

[demmiblue]

4. +1

Spot on.

[cali]

5. That and forced ultrasounds

[leftynyc]

24. That too

They treat us like simpleminded children. And donnie has promised to put only forced birth judges on the court. That alone makes the comparison between dem and rep a very stark contrast.

[lagomorph777]

40. Perverted Potty Party Pisses me off

They spend all their time dreaming up ways to get inside women's vaginas and peer into bathroom stalls.

Goddamned perverts.

[libdem4life]

52. Good alliteration.

[PatSeg]

22. Well said!

Maybe men should have a three day waiting period when they first decide to initiate a sexual encounter.

[smirkymonkey]

34. Hear, hear!

[classykaren]

41. Yea so they can have a test for VD. That's the ticket.

[Orrex]

3. Why don't they simply require a man to tell her what to do?

She's just a woman, after all. She can't be trusted with decisions and whatnot.

[OldHippieChick]

7. So true.

They should just say what they actually mean, and quit this weak attempt to hide their real motives.

[A Little Weird]

6. What an ass

[DetlefK]

8. I propose a 3-day-waiting-period before going to a toilet frequented by transgender people.

3 days sounds like a reasonable amount of time to ponder whether you REALLY want to use a toilet where a transgender person could be in that other stall.

Maybe it's time to consider alternatives to public toilets? How about shitting behind a bush or tree? Or shitting your pants? Or holding it in until you find another toilet?

And what we definitely need is politicians meddling with your body. All they are asking for is that their opinion be more important than the opinion of people actually on the case. Is that really that much of a demand?

[cali]

9. I knew this would be brought into it. If only reproductive rights were as much

of a cause celebre. No one is proposing boycotting these states that abrogate women's constitutional rights.

[Snarkoleptic]

10. Jon Bel Edwards is a Democrat? WTF

If this is not evidence of the need for a purge in the party, I don't know what is.

[rpannier]

12. A few weeks ago someone here argued he should be the VP nominee

I was certain we could do better and Edwards has proven me correct

[Snarkoleptic]

16. I guess it's a buyer-beware thing and we cannot assume D means he's pro choice.

Although he was seemingly not anti-choice back in 2006 when he answered a questionnaire-
"Abortion is the freedom of choice, between the appropriate parties and their higher power."

http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/John_Bel_Edwards_Abortion.htm

I know that reddish state Dems must be a bit conservative to get elected, but the election is in the rear view and this flip-flop is flat-out pandering to the right.

[rpannier]

19. Another abandon supporters to get votes from people who won't vote for him

But... as I recall from reading somewhere he is related to the former LA Gov Edwin Edwards

[Roy Rolling]

28. No relation

JBE is not related to Edwin Edwards. And his stance on abortion has been consistent. No, he does not pass the 100% purity test. He did expand Medicare, protect LGBT rights, and support a medical marijuana bill. Cut him some slack, I guess those critical of him would support his opponent David Vitter?

This is the real world, dreamers. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad.

[DLevine]

44. You call it a purity test, I call it having certain core principles,

principles that are non-negotiable. A woman's right to choose is one of mine.

[Snarkoleptic]

49. "...his stance on abortion has been consistent" Not so much.

Although he was seemingly not anti-choice back in 2006 when he answered a questionnaire-
"Abortion is the freedom of choice, between the appropriate parties and their higher power."

http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/John_Bel_Edwards_Abortion.htm

[TexasBushwhacker]

25. A pro-choice Democrat wouldn't get elected in Lousiana

It is largely evangelical Christians and Catholics. At least he expanded Medicaid and supports raising the minimum wage. He also wants to let all current business tax credits to expire, especially the ones for the O&G industry.

[alarimer]

35. This is the kind of erosion of Democratic Party principles we have been seeing for decades now.

I have no used for "Democrats" who compromise away our very rights. But we have to vote for them because they have a "D" after their names, don't you know?? Because electability or some bullshit.

Oh yes, I see it has already raised its ugly head in this very thread. But, fuck compromising on essential principles for illusory electoral gains.

[DLevine]

45. Agreed, it is maddening. nt

[gollygee]

11. I'm not sure why they think women are stupid and wouldn't have already reflected

On this decision.

Oh wait, they just want to make it cost more. And then women will be further along in their pregnancies when they abort, and they'll complain about how long they waited, and make the safe forms of abortion for later pregnancies illegal too.

[fasttense]

13. Shoving government where it doesn't belong

If a woman's womb were a corporation, all women would have 2 votes. One for her and one for her womb.

[tomg]

14. Why is a Democratic Governor

signing this law? Seriously, wtf.

[lostnfound]

15. Even i, a graduate of catholic schools with their "Consistent Life Ethic" teachings, who has...

taken decades to come around to a pro choice position, find these waiting periods absolutely absurd, insulting, and unreasonably burdensome on people who can least afford it.

Enough stories of young poor women, too young for birth, and women with life threatening or nonviable pregnancies, being forced to go on an expensive odyssey, far from home or the support of their loved ones -- in some cases unable to care for their other children, in some cases already devastated by circumstances beyond their control -- have convinced me that government needs to stay out of this.

If the government wants to do something, it can fund contraceptives and it can provide far more support for new parents.

[milestogo]

17. In some states abortion is not widely available

so the woman is already taking a day to travel. Add 3 days and she has to pay for a hotel also. Its just one more way of screwing poor women.

[Betty]

18. How about a waiting period for buying a gun?

And put lots of restrictions on gun shops, too.

[lapislzi]

20. Trust me on this.

If you're in the clinic to have an abortion, I assure you that you've thought about it for AT LEAST three days. Three fucking days of saying to yourself any combination of the below:

--Make this fucking thing be over already
--I wish it didn't have to be this way
--I want this baby but I can't handle it
--I detest that sperm donor
--FML
--I hope it doesn't hurt too much

By the time you get to the damn clinic, you are 100% sure you either can't or don't want to be pregnant any more, for one reason or another.

The end.

[cyberswede]

31. Yep - you nailed it.

[Nitram]

21. Enhanced Reflection? LOL!

They're trying to sell a better mirror?

[alarimer]

36. It's very Orwellian.

A lot of Republican policies (and this is, despite it being signed by an alleged Democrat) are like that. "Clear Skies Initiative", "No Child Left Behind" etc.

[malthaussen]

27. It must be a chic word. You know, like "Enhanced Interrogation."

In fact, when you think of it, both "enhancements" are just torture.

-- Mal

[3catwoman3]

55. Exactly.

"Enhanced reflection" is some mighty fine and fancy obfuscatory terminology.

Reminds me of the "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit" saying.

[sulphurdunn]

29. "Women's Enhanced Reflection Act"

Anyone using weasel word terminology like that is absolutely up to no good.

[classykaren]

43. Just like the TPP

[mahatmakanejeeves]

37. And you thought you'd never get an ERA. See? You just had to wait. NT

[davidn3600]

39. Yet everyone here cheered when this guy won

Electing "Democrats" is all that matters, right? That's the DU TOS.

[bemildred]

46. Enforced delay is "enhanced reflection" like torture is "enhanced interrogation". nt

[niyad]

48. of course it does. not to mention how damned insulting it is. women are too damned stupid,

too ignorant, to think for themselves, so we have to MAKE them do it.

a great big FU to all the woman-hating gestational slavers and their enablers. just remember something. NONE of you would be here without women. you ALL came from between a woman's legs (unless a c-section) and THAT is the root of the problem for so many, I think.

[awoke_in_2003]

50. Ref for exposure

First, they want women who have to travel to spend the money for one night's lodging, now they want to make it 3? Anyone who doesn't vote for our primary winner needs a kick in the nether regions, because if Trump wins we lose the SC for a long time.

[libdem4life]

53. Is there a 3 day waiting period for a vasectomy?

[blackspade]

56. Targeting a specific group for restrictions that don't apply to all groups...

Is unconstitutional.

How do so many incopitants get elected?

[locks]

57. The only enhancement

in the Women's Enhanced Reflection bill is the size of the male egos in the Legislature. The only people who will suffer are the women who have decided to have a LEGAL abortion and the unwanted children that the Louisiana legislators refuse to care for and educate.