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davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:10 PM May 2016

Mental Illness is as Serious as Physical Illness. We Need and Deserve Treatment.

I've had a... really rough few weeks. While this post isn't really about me primarily - I want to start it out by saying that chronic depression and anxiety have been lifelong issues for me. Some times I seem to have the upper hand over myself, other times... not so much. I am not a lunatic. I have no history of violence and no history of criminal activity. I am not a madman. I am not a dangerous person who wants to hurt other people. This question seems to come up a lot lately for people who are mentally ill, so I just wanted to clarify that.

Someone I have long thought of as the love of my life asked me a question the other day - in light of some terrible events that took place in MA. Many people were hurt and some died. It has been said that the man responsible for these terrible attacks was depressed - and sought help, and did not receive it. For those unfamiliar with the case - a young man stabbed many people before he was finally stopped by police. Some died. Some did not.

The question I was asked was this: "You're depressed a lot. Are you going to go on a murder rampage?"

I asked the person in question - who has known me for almost twenty years, if that was a serious question. She said yes.

People who know me have often described me as gentle, kind - and thoughtful. This does not necessarily make me a great guy, or a safe one, I would suggest, rather, that having lived thirty two years and not ever seriously harming anyone despite occasions of serious provocation would indicate that I'm reasonably safe. Perhaps some people might think otherwise, or be afraid, as if depression is now some indication of impending psychotic rage and slaughter. I would argue that there are millions of us all over the USA alone that are depressed - and still decent, gentle people.

It is often thought among a frequently scared populace that mental illness is something to be feared, stood away from, as if it were dangerous, contagious, the stories we see or hear on the news so often lend strength to that fear, though it is misplaced and terribly ignorant - but most significantly, it is sad. Some of the kindest, most intelligent, most decent, most wonderful people I have ever known have struggled with mental illness in one form or another. Many of them were depressed - and many of them, despite their own pain, reached out to help me with mine.

I have a lifetime of experience with mental illness, it has haunted my every step since before I was even a teenager. It's possible that I know a little bit about it.

What we have is a broken healthcare system, in spite of recent attempts to repair it. What we have is a frequently inhumane, cold, and even cruel system in place to treat those who are mentally ill, who are suffering. Medicine for profit is not sympathetic, it is not empathetic, it is not humane, not kind. It is a blight upon this Country. It is a blight because many people who could be helped by the right treatment, and/or by having access to such treatment, could go a long way towards making our world a better place. Sensitive, thoughtful people, who, while they may have an illness, are very good people.

There are very few long term care facilities. There are few facilities that practice humane treatment, but rather most (and most psychiatrists and Doctors as well) prefer to medicate and refer to therapies that, while well meaning, do not by themselves seriously treat such an illness. It CAN be cured, as can any ailment, it is simply a matter of discovering how - and it is just as important, as significant - and as necessary as treating physical illness.

I tell you, ladies and gents, that the inmates are running the asylum. The insurance companies, the media, the politicians who keep cutting funding for mental health treatment (my own governor LePage comes to mind) for desperately needed care. We can do better than this. We must do better than this.

I am a human being, the same as the rest of you, I am not more likely to commit violence because my mind is different. I am not some psycho plotting cruel and evil things - I am a human being trying to survive. Trying to fight back against the prison of my own mind that contains illness that I cannot cure, that I can only struggle against every day, hoping to maintain the upper hand so I might have some decent quality of life or happiness. I have no health insurance - this makes that struggle harder. I have no access to therapy, to physicians that could help me. I do not qualify for any form of such assistance in my home state of Maine.

That said... I am one of the lucky ones, in many ways. I have a family that loves me, I am fortunate enough that my issues pertain only to depression and anxiety and that I do not hallucinate, that for the most part, I can control my own actions. There are many, many more who are not so lucky... and they are being... not just thrown under the bus, but driven over, every damned day. By politicians, by the media, by insurance companies... and even, some times, by people who really... really... ought to know better.

We are human. We deserve kindness, love, and respect. My name is David - and I am mentally ill... and not ashamed of it.

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Mental Illness is as Serious as Physical Illness. We Need and Deserve Treatment. (Original Post) davidthegnome May 2016 OP
that must have been so hurtful... I wish I could give you a hug renate May 2016 #1
Kick this... busterbrown May 2016 #2
Here's a huge hug 840high May 2016 #3
This is beautifully written... DeadLetterOffice May 2016 #4
Colorado is proposing jails for crisis management Thunderbeast May 2016 #5
the county jail is already used for that purpose fizzgig May 2016 #8
Wow - I wish you would share this KT2000 May 2016 #6
Because of the gun issues, the media has been ramping up fear passiveporcupine May 2016 #7
My name is David too. retrowire May 2016 #9
Respect is a kindness built on love for others... HereSince1628 May 2016 #10
Thank you! Wonderful post! smirkymonkey May 2016 #11
People are stupid TrappedInUtah May 2016 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #13
Mental illness IS physical illness meow2u3 May 2016 #14
Exactly. dog_lovin_dem May 2016 #15

renate

(13,776 posts)
1. that must have been so hurtful... I wish I could give you a hug
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:17 PM
May 2016

Twenty years ago or so, we started talking about mental illness more rationally, as a real illness and not a choice , and it seemed as though things were going to change. But then that all stopped.

I hope that there's a tipping point coming soon when we can start talking about it without blame or shame. It's very real and it causes so much suffering.

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
4. This is beautifully written...
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:37 PM
May 2016

...and meaningful, and heartbreaking. Thank you for your eloquence.

DLO (who has battled debilitating anxiety/panic for most of 45 years)

Thunderbeast

(3,406 posts)
5. Colorado is proposing jails for crisis management
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:46 PM
May 2016

Citing the lack of mental health beds, and the high cost of warehousing patients in Emergency Rooms, Colorado is considering using local jails as mental health treatment venues. No due process. No criminal activity. Just put psychotic patients in local jails where un-trained guards will monitor and contain.

I have another idea: People with brain disorders need hospital beds when they are in crisis. Let's move cancer and heart patients to jails to free up the necessary treatment resources. Any problem with that logic?.....or is this just blatant discrimination against an un-sympathetic population (many on public assistance) needing medical attention, and our society not willing to pay for it.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
8. the county jail is already used for that purpose
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:57 PM
May 2016

it's a revolving door: go off your meds, wind up in jail, get on your meds, get out of jail, go off meds because you can't afford them....wash, rinse, repeat.

i'm in northern colorado and the only thing i agree with my idiot sherif on is that we need more mental health beds, funding, care and support. i even worked with the jail captain to pass a county tax that would build a treatment center many years ago. i was bummed but not entirely surprised when it failed.

KT2000

(20,577 posts)
6. Wow - I wish you would share this
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:48 PM
May 2016

with a publication such as your newspaper.
It is criminal the way people are denied care they need. Is there a group that is lobbying your state legislature? This would be important testimony. Please share it, it is so well written and makes the point well.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
7. Because of the gun issues, the media has been ramping up fear
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:53 PM
May 2016

and much of it aimed at mental illness. And I know that some of the people who do horrible things are mentally ill (maybe all of them) but they are just a tiny fraction of the mentally ill, who if they had any intention of hurting someone, it would only be themselves.

I'm sorry your "love" is too afraid to understand this. Maybe someone could talk to her and try to explain it and help her to understand how to help you most, by not doing things many people do around the mentally ill, because they don't know any better.

The people who go postal usually have signs that something is wrong long before it happens. Signs of anger and secrecy and isolation, and sometimes lashing out on social media.

I too am mentally ill. Depression, anxiety, OCD. I felt postal once because of a job/boss sitation I hated and felt trapped in, but even then, as angry as I was at my boss, I knew I'd never hurt anyone, except me.

I have tried to commit suicide. I think about it almost daily. It doesn't make me dangerous.

Someone posted a documentation here yesterday about psychopathy and in the doc they said that taking SSRI's kills your empathy. I bed to differ. I've been on them, several different brands, and they never killed my empathy. I think that is just another scare tactic.

I got off the SSRIs because I don't think they were helping enough and I was having side effects. I won't go on them again.

I am sorry you've lived with this your whole life David. I have only lived with it since I was in my early 40's and I'm 66 now, so almost 25 years. I understand how difficult it is.

Don't give up on your love...just try to get some information to help her understand. Or maybe she could talk to someone on a forum about depression and support groups.

Hang in there baby...life ain't easy, but it's all we've got.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
9. My name is David too.
Fri May 13, 2016, 10:43 PM
May 2016

I suffer from Hyper Cycling Bipolar Disorder.

And in high school, I was bullied as "The kid most likely to shoot up the school."

All I wanted in high school was to make friends. But being one of the few white kids in a high school, post columbine gets you painted as a psychopath.

Mental illness shouldn't be disregarded. It's more than just "having a bad day."

Good post!

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
10. Respect is a kindness built on love for others...
Fri May 13, 2016, 10:49 PM
May 2016

which most Americans find easier to express in surveys than in practice.

Over 85 percent of Americans think mentally disordered persons should be immersed in the community rather than institutionalized.

But over 80% of Americans don't want a day-center in their neighborhood, don't want a person with a mental disorder in their work group, and don't want a person with a mental disorder as a next-door neighbor.

American's interest in not having mentally disordered persons institutionalized is likely two things... 1) abhorrence of atrocities against the mentally ill at Brigewater MA (google Titticut Follies for the famous and disturbing documentary on that hell hole that turned state governments against such places) in the 1960's and 2) avoidance of cost such institutions place on taxpayers.

The result is a bias to not institutionalize and to not have too many beds in hospitals for mental health patients.

An agonizing truth for persons dealing with mental illness is that American society considers person with mental disorders incompetent or dangerous, and frequently, both. Which is why the state with the best rate of non-employment for mentally disordered persons is Wyoming with a non-employment in the low 70%...where many persons with mental disorders find agricultural work with relatives. In states with advanced economies non-employment for person with chronic mental disorders is over 90%. Far above a level consistent with the moderate dysfunction most psychological disorders bring.

People with mental disorders struggle for recovery in a generally hostile, not an indifferent social environment. Prejudice and discrimination are acquired states of cognitive bias, and society works hard to teach and maintain that. Fear of marginalization is argued to be more significant cause of persons not seeking treatment than lack of access.

Which brings us back to the notion of respect, a kindness of great value, that feels a lot like love of others.







 

TrappedInUtah

(87 posts)
12. People are stupid
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:45 AM
May 2016

As a young person I was quite shy and I remember a comment made to me at my first job. One of my coworkers made this "joke", "Damn you're so quite, are you that guy who's gonna go nuts and shoot us all?" I think I just kinda laughed it off, although I felt like responding with a "Well, if that happens you're gonna be first" comment. Some people in our society are loathsomely intolerant of those who are even the slightest bit less socially inclined. I guess because I wasn't joking around with them about getting drunk at the strip club I must be some murdering psychopath.

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meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
14. Mental illness IS physical illness
Sat May 14, 2016, 08:22 PM
May 2016

It's a physical illness affecting the brain and a sick brain leads to a sick body.

dog_lovin_dem

(309 posts)
15. Exactly.
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:55 PM
May 2016

The brain is a part of the physical body. Therefore any disorder affecting the brain is a physical illness.
I believe the term "mental illness" is a big part of the stigma associated with such illnesses.

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